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* Judgement: And this was on a shared path…Spike
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From: aero.spike@mail.com (Spike)
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Subject: Judgement: And this was on a shared
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 by: Spike - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 08:39 UTC

This should be compulsory reading for all cyclists.

<https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2024csoh39.pdf>

Perhaps one thing that comes out of this dismal account is that aerobars
should be banned for use on bicycles used in public spaces. See, for
example:

<https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGpls1pxGOA>

Another might be that when approaching an unsigned junction, treat it as a
Give Way.

The Highway Code, as it regards cyclists, needs some amendments. Cycling on
a footway should, in any legal proceedings, automatically count as failing
to acknowledge the rights of pedestrians.

--
Spike

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From: nix@genie.co.uk (Nick Finnigan)
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 by: Nick Finnigan - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 08:46 UTC

On 07/04/2024 09:39, Spike wrote:
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>
> The Highway Code, as it regards cyclists, needs some amendments. Cycling on
> a footway should, in any legal proceedings, automatically count as failing
> to acknowledge the rights of pedestrians.

So they have to walk their vehicles across a footway to the carriageway
or building at the start and end of journeys? And motorists too?

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 by: Spike - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 10:50 UTC

Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
> On 07/04/2024 09:39, Spike wrote:

>> The Highway Code, as it regards cyclists, needs some amendments. Cycling
>> on a footway should, in any legal proceedings, automatically count as
>> failing to acknowledge the rights of pedestrians.

> So they have to walk their vehicles across a footway to the carriageway
> or building at the start and end of journeys? And motorists too?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t laws already in place to cover
motorists actions in the circumstances you describe?

--
Spike

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:01 UTC

On 07/04/2024 09:39 am, Spike wrote:
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> This should be compulsory reading for all cyclists.
>
> <https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2024csoh39.pdf>
>
> Perhaps one thing that comes out of this dismal account is that aerobars
> should be banned for use on bicycles used in public spaces. See, for
> example:
>
> <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGpls1pxGOA>
>
> Another might be that when approaching an unsigned junction, treat it as a
> Give Way.

What effect would that have on chavs on bikes?

It wouldn't matter even if it had traffic lights!
>
> The Highway Code, as it regards cyclists, needs some amendments. Cycling on
> a footway should, in any legal proceedings, automatically count as failing
> to acknowledge the rights of pedestrians.

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:05 UTC

On 07/04/2024 09:46 am, Nick Finnigan wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 09:39, Spike wrote:
>>
>> The Highway Code, as it regards cyclists, needs some amendments.
>> Cycling on a footway should, in any legal proceedings, automatically
>> count as failing to acknowledge the rights of pedestrians.
>
>  So they have to walk their vehicles across a footway to the carriageway
> or building at the start and end of journeys? And motorists too?

"On" is doing the work of two words in Spike's post.

There is "across", as you suggest.

But the offence (whether for a chav on a bike or a citizen driving or
riding a motor vehicle) would be travelling *along* a FOOTway for a
distance that cannot be construed as necessary for crossing the FOOTway.

This is because some driveways are not perpendicular to the carriageway,
though I add this merely to disarm any attempt at diversion - we all
know the difference between travelling across a FOOTway and travelling
along it.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 16:06 UTC

JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
> On 07/04/2024 09:39 am, Spike wrote:
>>
>> This should be compulsory reading for all cyclists.
>>
>> <https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2024csoh39.pdf>
>>
>> Perhaps one thing that comes out of this dismal account is that aerobars
>> should be banned for use on bicycles used in public spaces. See, for
>> example:
>>
>> <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGpls1pxGOA>

>> Another might be that when approaching an unsigned junction, treat it as a
>> Give Way.

> What effect would that have on chavs on bikes?

> It wouldn't matter even if it had traffic lights!

One can only live in (ever-receding) hope…;-)

>> The Highway Code, as it regards cyclists, needs some amendments. Cycling on
>> a footway should, in any legal proceedings, automatically count as failing
>> to acknowledge the rights of pedestrians.

--
Spike

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