A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that my
3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home address) in a
couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I particularly don't drink
$2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink very little alcohol at all. I
still have a 30 year old bottle of Glenfiddich (which I do like. A bit).
It's 3/4 full.

I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment. This
raised further questions:

1) I never ordered the Scotch.
2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low balance
at all times (<$1,000.00).

I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I also
requested that my account be permanently deleted.

Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I changed
my Paypal password.

What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
delivered to my home and not a third party.

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that
> my 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home address)
> in a couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I particularly don't
> drink $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink very little alcohol at
> all. I still have a 30 year old bottle of Glenfiddich (which I do
> like. A bit). It's 3/4 full.
>
> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment.
> This raised further questions:
>
> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low
> balance at all times (<$1,000.00).
>
> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I also
> requested that my account be permanently deleted.
>
> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
> actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I changed
> my Paypal password.
>
> What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
> delivered to my home and not a third party.
>

was there an actual payment made from your paypal account? email
addresses are used for pp payments. maybe the real purchaser had a
similar email to you, and it was a simple mistake by the seller?

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On 10/01/2024 11:41 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that
>> my 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home address)
>> in a couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I particularly don't
>> drink $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink very little alcohol at
>> all. I still have a 30 year old bottle of Glenfiddich (which I do
>> like. A bit). It's 3/4 full.
>>
>> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment.
>> This raised further questions:
>>
>> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
>> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
>> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low
>> balance at all times (<$1,000.00).
>>
>> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I also
>> requested that my account be permanently deleted.
>>
>> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
>> actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I changed
>> my Paypal password.
>>
>> What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
>> delivered to my home and not a third party.
>>
>
> was there an actual payment made from your paypal account? email
> addresses are used for pp payments. maybe the real purchaser had a
> similar email to you, and it was a simple mistake by the seller?
>

**The money was sucked from my Paypal account, despite there being
insufficient funds available. I received a full refund from Greys Online.

I still don't understand what the point of hi-jacking my Paypal/Greys
accounts were. The booze was to be delivered directly to my home, so
there was, apparently, no benefit for the scammer that I can see. Unless
it was just designed to piss me off. Which it did.

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:05:15 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 10/01/2024 11:41 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that
>>> my 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home address)
>>> in a couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I particularly don't
>>> drink $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink very little alcohol at
>>> all. I still have a 30 year old bottle of Glenfiddich (which I do
>>> like. A bit). It's 3/4 full.
>>>
>>> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment.
>>> This raised further questions:
>>>
>>> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
>>> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
>>> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low
>>> balance at all times (<$1,000.00).
>>>
>>> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I also
>>> requested that my account be permanently deleted.
>>>
>>> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
>>> actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I changed
>>> my Paypal password.
>>>
>>> What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
>>> delivered to my home and not a third party.
>>>
>>
>> was there an actual payment made from your paypal account? email
>> addresses are used for pp payments. maybe the real purchaser had a
>> similar email to you, and it was a simple mistake by the seller?
>>
>
>**The money was sucked from my Paypal account, despite there being
>insufficient funds available. I received a full refund from Greys Online.
>
>I still don't understand what the point of hi-jacking my Paypal/Greys
>accounts were. The booze was to be delivered directly to my home, so
>there was, apparently, no benefit for the scammer that I can see. Unless
>it was just designed to piss me off. Which it did.
>
Guessing that the hacker got excited at breaking your "1234" password
and just tested your account out before s/he changed your postal
address?
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On 10/01/2024 7:13 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:05:15 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 10/01/2024 11:41 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that
>>>> my 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home address)
>>>> in a couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I particularly don't
>>>> drink $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink very little alcohol at
>>>> all. I still have a 30 year old bottle of Glenfiddich (which I do
>>>> like. A bit). It's 3/4 full.
>>>>
>>>> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment.
>>>> This raised further questions:
>>>>
>>>> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
>>>> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
>>>> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low
>>>> balance at all times (<$1,000.00).
>>>>
>>>> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I also
>>>> requested that my account be permanently deleted.
>>>>
>>>> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
>>>> actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I changed
>>>> my Paypal password.
>>>>
>>>> What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
>>>> delivered to my home and not a third party.
>>>>
>>>
>>> was there an actual payment made from your paypal account? email
>>> addresses are used for pp payments. maybe the real purchaser had a
>>> similar email to you, and it was a simple mistake by the seller?
>>>
>>
>> **The money was sucked from my Paypal account, despite there being
>> insufficient funds available. I received a full refund from Greys Online.
>>
>> I still don't understand what the point of hi-jacking my Paypal/Greys
>> accounts were. The booze was to be delivered directly to my home, so
>> there was, apparently, no benefit for the scammer that I can see. Unless
>> it was just designed to piss me off. Which it did.
>>
> Guessing that the hacker got excited at breaking your "1234" password
> and just tested your account out before s/he changed your postal
> address?

**Maybe, but my password is unique and way more difficult than 1234,
password, admin or whatever. Nonetheless, it is now way, WAY more tricky.

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Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that my
> 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home address) in a
> couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I particularly don't drink
> $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink very little alcohol at all. I
> still have a 30 year old bottle of Glenfiddich (which I do like. A bit).
> It's 3/4 full.

> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment. This
> raised further questions:

> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low balance
> at all times (<$1,000.00).

> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I also
> requested that my account be permanently deleted.

> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself.

I havent had any problem doing that and have done it a number of times now.

> I finally reached an actual human and ensured that thetransaction was
> cancelled. I changed my Paypal password.

> What was the point of this 'scam'?

It works when the linked account has decent money in it.

> After all, the Scotch was to be deliveredto my home and not a third
> party.

It would never be delivered, stupid.

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 19:51:18 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 10/01/2024 7:13 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:05:15 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/01/2024 11:41 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that
>>>>> my 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home address)
>>>>> in a couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I particularly don't
>>>>> drink $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink very little alcohol at
>>>>> all. I still have a 30 year old bottle of Glenfiddich (which I do
>>>>> like. A bit). It's 3/4 full.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment.
>>>>> This raised further questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
>>>>> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
>>>>> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low
>>>>> balance at all times (<$1,000.00).
>>>>>
>>>>> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I also
>>>>> requested that my account be permanently deleted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
>>>>> actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I changed
>>>>> my Paypal password.
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
>>>>> delivered to my home and not a third party.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> was there an actual payment made from your paypal account? email
>>>> addresses are used for pp payments. maybe the real purchaser had a
>>>> similar email to you, and it was a simple mistake by the seller?
>>>>
>>>
>>> **The money was sucked from my Paypal account, despite there being
>>> insufficient funds available. I received a full refund from Greys Online.
>>>
>>> I still don't understand what the point of hi-jacking my Paypal/Greys
>>> accounts were. The booze was to be delivered directly to my home, so
>>> there was, apparently, no benefit for the scammer that I can see. Unless
>>> it was just designed to piss me off. Which it did.
>>>
>> Guessing that the hacker got excited at breaking your "1234" password
>> and just tested your account out before s/he changed your postal
>> address?
>
>**Maybe, but my password is unique and way more difficult than 1234,
>password, admin or whatever. Nonetheless, it is now way, WAY more tricky.
>
My guess is it's someone you came in contact with
To log into PayPal
The predator needed to know
Your
Logon
Password

How was both taken
Used PayPal for years
They seem to be security aware of where your IP is and the browser you
use. They contact me straight away if something amiss sending a code
to my mobile.
I only use my PC for financial things. I save their cookies.
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Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 19:51:18 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that
>>>>> my 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home
>>>>> address) in a couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I
>>>>> particularly don't drink $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink
>>>>> very little alcohol at all. I still have a 30 year old bottle of
>>>>> Glenfiddich (which I do like. A bit). It's 3/4 full.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment.
>>>>> This raised further questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
>>>>> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
>>>>> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low
>>>>> balance at all times (<$1,000.00).
>>>>>
>>>>> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I
>>>>> also requested that my account be permanently deleted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
>>>>> actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I
>>>>> changed my Paypal password.
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
>>>>> delivered to my home and not a third party.
>>>>>
>
>>>
>>> I still don't understand what the point of hi-jacking my Paypal/Greys
>>> accounts were. The booze was to be delivered directly to my home, so
>>> there was, apparently, no benefit for the scammer that I can see.
>>> Unless it was just designed to piss me off. Which it did.
>>>
>
>
> **Maybe, but my password is unique and way more difficult than 1234,
> password, admin or whatever. Nonetheless, it is now way, WAY more
> tricky.

This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to pay
for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind waiting
for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most cases
they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they fluttered
around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would courier
ask questions apart from your name which you knew.

Now days always ALWAYS enable paypal 2 factor authnetication, every smart
phone has authenticator apps, I just use googles on my android, time
based codes are my recommendation.

However you also bring up a valid point, if you haven't used an online
retailer for a long time, and don't see yourself using it in the future,
yes, close and request deletion of the account, it's scary to think of
the tens or hundreds of millions of people around the world who sign up
for one purchase and never go back, leaving your details in their
databases to be hacked and sold in dark places. (Unless I'm going to be a
regular buyer I use the guest checkouts and disable any pre filled check
boxes for "create your account" - why these arseholes do that when you
specifically chose GUEST CHECKOUT is beyond me, probably so they can
claim you signed up to be spammed by them :)

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 04:14:25 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

>> After all, the Scotch was to be deliveredto my home and not a third
>> party.
>
> It would never be delivered, stupid.

your losing your memory in your old age roddles

On 13/01/2024 12:56 pm, noel wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 19:51:18 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> A little before Christmas, I received advice from Greys Online, that
>>>>>> my 3 bottles of Scotch whisky would be delivered (to my home
>>>>>> address) in a couple of days. Weird. I don't drink Scotch. I
>>>>>> particularly don't drink $2,000.00/bottle Scotch. In fact, I drink
>>>>>> very little alcohol at all. I still have a 30 year old bottle of
>>>>>> Glenfiddich (which I do like. A bit). It's 3/4 full.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I noted that I allegedly ordered the Scotch with a Paypal payment.
>>>>>> This raised further questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) I never ordered the Scotch.
>>>>>> 2) My Paypal account rarely has more than $100.00 in it.
>>>>>> 3) My Paypal account is linked to a bank account with a very low
>>>>>> balance at all times (<$1,000.00).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I called Greys and requested that the transaction be cancelled. I
>>>>>> also requested that my account be permanently deleted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I called Paypal. Now is a job in itself. I finally reached an
>>>>>> actual human and ensured that the transaction was cancelled. I
>>>>>> changed my Paypal password.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What was the point of this 'scam'? After all, the Scotch was to be
>>>>>> delivered to my home and not a third party.
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I still don't understand what the point of hi-jacking my Paypal/Greys
>>>> accounts were. The booze was to be delivered directly to my home, so
>>>> there was, apparently, no benefit for the scammer that I can see.
>>>> Unless it was just designed to piss me off. Which it did.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> **Maybe, but my password is unique and way more difficult than 1234,
>> password, admin or whatever. Nonetheless, it is now way, WAY more
>> tricky.
>
>
> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to pay
> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind waiting
> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most cases
> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they fluttered
> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would courier
> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.

**Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live and
work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what the
scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors, transistors,
ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
risky, I would imagine.

>
> Now days always ALWAYS enable paypal 2 factor authnetication, every smart
> phone has authenticator apps, I just use googles on my android, time
> based codes are my recommendation.

**Yep.

>
> However you also bring up a valid point, if you haven't used an online
> retailer for a long time, and don't see yourself using it in the future,
> yes, close and request deletion of the account, it's scary to think of
> the tens or hundreds of millions of people around the world who sign up
> for one purchase and never go back, leaving your details in their
> databases to be hacked and sold in dark places. (Unless I'm going to be a
> regular buyer I use the guest checkouts and disable any pre filled check
> boxes for "create your account" - why these arseholes do that when you
> specifically chose GUEST CHECKOUT is beyond me, probably so they can
> claim you signed up to be spammed by them :)
>

**Again: Yep.

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 08:17:55 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>>
>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to pay
>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind waiting
>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most cases
>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they fluttered
>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would courier
>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>
>**Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live and
>work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what the
>scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors, transistors,
>ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
>would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>risky, I would imagine.
>
With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)
Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
My guess it is someone local.
A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home and
when your not, where you hade house keys.
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his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On 14/01/2024 10:59 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 08:17:55 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to pay
>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind waiting
>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most cases
>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they fluttered
>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would courier
>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>>
>> **Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live and
>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what the
>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors, transistors,
>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>> risky, I would imagine.
>>
> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)

**If I buy booze (which is very rarely), I buy it from the bottle shop.

> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.

**Of course. It has a password that is impossible for me to remember.

> My guess it is someone local.
> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home and
> when your not, where you hade house keys.

**In my immediate vicinity (500m radius), there are only two houses with
long term renters. Everyone else is an owner/occupier. No home units
within 3km. Also, FWIW: My suburb is the least burgled suburb in metro
system. My immediate neighbour used to leave the key in his front door.
He no longer does, but is garage is always unlocked and full of
expensive tools. He has never had a problem, despite the fact that his
home is well hidden by trees and shrubs, thus allowing an intruder easy
pickings. Burglars just don't come to Oyster Bay.

https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/home-contents-insurance/home-safety/safe-suburbs-map/nsw/results.html/2225

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:43:04 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 14/01/2024 10:59 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 08:17:55 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to pay
>>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
>>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
>>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind waiting
>>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most cases
>>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they fluttered
>>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would courier
>>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>>>
>>> **Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live and
>>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what the
>>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors, transistors,
>>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
>>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>>> risky, I would imagine.
>>>
>> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
>> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)
>
>**If I buy booze (which is very rarely), I buy it from the bottle shop.
>
>> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
>
>**Of course. It has a password that is impossible for me to remember.
>
>> My guess it is someone local.
>> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
>> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home and
>> when your not, where you hade house keys.
>
>**In my immediate vicinity (500m radius), there are only two houses with
>long term renters. Everyone else is an owner/occupier. No home units
>within 3km. Also, FWIW: My suburb is the least burgled suburb in metro
>system. My immediate neighbour used to leave the key in his front door.
>He no longer does, but is garage is always unlocked and full of
>expensive tools. He has never had a problem, despite the fact that his
>home is well hidden by trees and shrubs, thus allowing an intruder easy
>pickings. Burglars just don't come to Oyster Bay.
>
>https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/home-contents-insurance/home-safety/safe-suburbs-map/nsw/results.html/2225
>
Looks good to me also.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

justice is open to all; like the Ritz hotel
High Court reveals every current judge is a
member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’
The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’
exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over
the sacking of 1700 workers.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to
>>> pay
>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind
>>> waiting
>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most cases
>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they
>>> fluttered
>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would
>>> courier
>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.

>> Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live and
>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what the
>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors, transistors,
>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>> risky, I would imagine.

> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,

I don't ever get that.

> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)

Or that.

> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
> My guess it is someone local.
> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home and
> when your not, where you hade house keys.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 03:19:00 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>
>>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to
>>>> pay
>>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
>>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
>>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind
>>>> waiting
>>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most cases
>>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they
>>>> fluttered
>>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would
>>>> courier
>>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>
>>> Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live and
>>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what the
>>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors, transistors,
>>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
>>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>>> risky, I would imagine.
>
>> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
>
>I don't ever get that.
>
Only the first time not after
>
>> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)
>
>Or that.
>
Just once not that I mind they probably use my photo in date app's?
>
>> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
>> My guess it is someone local.
>> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
>> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home and
>> when your not, where you hade house keys.
--
Petzl
The Donald succeeding as president in face of Left media Trump Derangement Syndrome.
These people need help!
The lefties are all there trying to pile their crap on Trump saying he's no good.
Here's a bloke who has made a fortune in the toughest property market in the world, Manhattan.
He was top rating with his apprentice show, in the toughest TV market in the world the United States.
He beat all those Governors, Senators and sons of Presidents in the presidents primaries
for the Republican party, then he beat the revered Clinton machine.
He has raised a beautiful family, his children are a wonderful tribute to him,
"they all" say he is a hopeless failure?
On top of that he's married to Miss World.
So what have you got to do in life,
what have you got to do by these rotten miserable mongrels
in "our" media on the left, what have you got to do?

The Clinton and Bush era of the last 30 years is about to come
to an end in light of the sudden Saudi Arabian purge of Clinton
and Bush allies.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>
>>>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to
>>>>> pay
>>>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
>>>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
>>>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind
>>>>> waiting
>>>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most
>>>>> cases
>>>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they
>>>>> fluttered
>>>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would
>>>>> courier
>>>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>>
>>>> Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>>>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live
>>>> and
>>>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>>>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what
>>>> the
>>>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors,
>>>> transistors,
>>>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>>>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
>>>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>>>> risky, I would imagine.
>>
>>> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
>>
>> I don't ever get that.
>>
> Only the first time not after

Never got it with the first time with Dan Murphy or Liquorland
both of which I have only recently used for the first time.

>>> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)

>> Or that.

> Just once not that I mind they probably use my photo in date app's?

Dont believe that, the apps would have imploded spectacularly.

>>> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
>>> My guess it is someone local.
>>> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
>>> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home and
>>> when your not, where you hade house keys.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 03:57:12 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>
>>>>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you to
>>>>>> pay
>>>>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation we
>>>>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew when
>>>>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind
>>>>>> waiting
>>>>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most
>>>>>> cases
>>>>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they
>>>>>> fluttered
>>>>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would
>>>>>> courier
>>>>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>>>
>>>>> Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>>>>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live
>>>>> and
>>>>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>>>>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what
>>>>> the
>>>>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors,
>>>>> transistors,
>>>>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>>>>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably well)
>>>>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>>>>> risky, I would imagine.
>>>
>>>> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
>>>
>>> I don't ever get that.
>>>
>> Only the first time not after
>
>Never got it with the first time with Dan Murphy or Liquorland
>both of which I have only recently used for the first time.
>
Only Australia post did this once
>
>>>> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)
>
>>> Or that.
>
>> Just once not that I mind they probably use my photo in date app's?
>
>Dont believe that, the apps would have imploded spectacularly.
>
Probably
Get so many friend requests from nice looking 'girls' (surname is
usually a first name too) who often say they work for Samsung or
Facebook and are always sickeningly "nice" and often pretend to be
"Christian" but their profile says they're a he and all their friends
are often African, from Sudan, Togo or Nigeria.
>
>>>> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
>>>> My guess it is someone local.
>>>> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
>>>> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home and
>>>> when your not, where you hade house keys.
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you
eventually run out of other people's money.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind
>>>>>>> waiting
>>>>>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most
>>>>>>> cases
>>>>>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they
>>>>>>> fluttered
>>>>>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would
>>>>>>> courier
>>>>>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>>>>>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>>>>>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors,
>>>>>> transistors,
>>>>>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>>>>>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably
>>>>>> well)
>>>>>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>>>>>> risky, I would imagine.
>>>>
>>>>> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
>>>>
>>>> I don't ever get that.
>>>>
>>> Only the first time not after
>>
>> Never got it with the first time with Dan Murphy or Liquorland
>> both of which I have only recently used for the first time.

> Only Australia post did this once

The Liquorland does come by Australia Post and
so did all the other stuff except Dan Murphy.

>>>>> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)
>>
>>>> Or that.
>>
>>> Just once not that I mind they probably use my photo in date app's?
>>
>> Dont believe that, the apps would have imploded spectacularly.

> Probably
> Get so many friend requests from nice looking 'girls' (surname is
> usually a first name too) who often say they work for Samsung or
> Facebook and are always sickeningly "nice" and often pretend to be
> "Christian" but their profile says they're a he and all their friends
> are often African, from Sudan, Togo or Nigeria.

I get very few and all on facebook. Never bother to even look at their
profile.

>>>>> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
>>>>> My guess it is someone local.
>>>>> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
>>>>> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home
>>>>> and
>>>>> when your not, where you hade house keys.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 09:09:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use you
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each investigation
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind
>>>>>>>> waiting
>>>>>>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most
>>>>>>>> cases
>>>>>>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they
>>>>>>>> fluttered
>>>>>>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would
>>>>>>>> courier
>>>>>>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>>>>>>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I live
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a car)
>>>>>>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder what
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors,
>>>>>>> transistors,
>>>>>>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more interesting
>>>>>>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably
>>>>>>> well)
>>>>>>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff? Pretty
>>>>>>> risky, I would imagine.
>>>>>
>>>>>> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from Ebay,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't ever get that.
>>>>>
>>>> Only the first time not after
>>>
>>> Never got it with the first time with Dan Murphy or Liquorland
>>> both of which I have only recently used for the first time.
>
>> Only Australia post did this once
>
>The Liquorland does come by Australia Post and
>so did all the other stuff except Dan Murphy.
>
I just buy booze from local Aldi
>
>>>>>> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)
>>>
>>>>> Or that.
>>>
>>>> Just once not that I mind they probably use my photo in date app's?
>>>
>>> Dont believe that, the apps would have imploded spectacularly.
>
>> Probably
>> Get so many friend requests from nice looking 'girls' (surname is
>> usually a first name too) who often say they work for Samsung or
>> Facebook and are always sickeningly "nice" and often pretend to be
>> "Christian" but their profile says they're a he and all their friends
>> are often African, from Sudan, Togo or Nigeria.
>
>I get very few and all on facebook. Never bother to even look at their
>profile.
>
Facebook is where I get them also. usually ignore but if you look at
profile you know it's a scam

>>>>>> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
>>>>>> My guess it is someone local.
>>>>>> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means 3
>>>>>> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> when your not, where you hade house keys.
--
Petzl
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens" One Nation.
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
“Everything that defines us is now an enemy,
so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity,
they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.
I can’t define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother, no.
I must be citizen x, gender x, parent 1, parent 2.
I must be a number, because when I am only a number,
when I no longer have an identity or roots,
then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators.
: - Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This reminds me of an old scam from decade or so ago, they use
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>>>> for their goods, they used your address, but in each
>>>>>>>>> investigation
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> found the contact numbers differed for sms updates so they knew
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> courier was on their way (they are patient vermin and don't mind
>>>>>>>>> waiting
>>>>>>>>> for hours), they'd meet them outside your place - and yes in most
>>>>>>>>> cases
>>>>>>>>> they targeted people they knew were at work or away, so if they
>>>>>>>>> fluttered
>>>>>>>>> around in a car outside or just in your driveway, well, why would
>>>>>>>>> courier
>>>>>>>>> ask questions apart from your name which you knew.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excellent point. I often meet a courier out front and they rarely
>>>>>>>> bother with identification. Make that: NEVER. Thing is, where I
>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> work, it's very, VERY quiet. Someone hanging around (even in a
>>>>>>>> car)
>>>>>>>> would be readily noticed, by me or neighbours. Still, I wonder
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> scammer would do with my regular deliveries of capacitors,
>>>>>>>> transistors,
>>>>>>>> ICs and other assorted electronic components? Even more
>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>> would be if one of my regular couriers (I know a few reasonably
>>>>>>>> well)
>>>>>>>> would make of an unknown face attempting to collect my stuff?
>>>>>>>> Pretty
>>>>>>>> risky, I would imagine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With booze the driver will get your ID even when I buy it from
>>>>>>> Ebay,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't ever get that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Only the first time not after
>>>>
>>>> Never got it with the first time with Dan Murphy or Liquorland
>>>> both of which I have only recently used for the first time.
>>
>>> Only Australia post did this once
>>
>> The Liquorland does come by Australia Post and
>> so did all the other stuff except Dan Murphy.

> I just buy booze from local Aldi

Our Aldi doesnt have a liquor licence.

And Aldi doesnt flog the grog I buy anyway.

>>>>>>> even sometimes take your photo (AusPost)
>>>>
>>>>>> Or that.
>>>>
>>>>> Just once not that I mind they probably use my photo in date app's?
>>>>
>>>> Dont believe that, the apps would have imploded spectacularly.
>>
>>> Probably
>>> Get so many friend requests from nice looking 'girls' (surname is
>>> usually a first name too) who often say they work for Samsung or
>>> Facebook and are always sickeningly "nice" and often pretend to be
>>> "Christian" but their profile says they're a he and all their friends
>>> are often African, from Sudan, Togo or Nigeria.
>>
>> I get very few and all on facebook. Never bother to even look at their
>> profile.

> Facebook is where I get them also. usually ignore but if you look at
> profile you know it's a scam

>>>>>>> Make sure your WiFi is secure as well.
>>>>>>> My guess it is someone local.
>>>>>>> A lot of renters moving in and out nowadays, 3 bedroom house means
>>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>> tenants, with street full of parked cars, they know when your home
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> when your not, where you hade house keys.