In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
appear in other regions Ch7?

I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

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On 21/08/2023 19:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
> In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
> local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
> wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
> some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
> appear in other regions Ch7?
>
> I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on those.

Just tried on Ch7 Tacolneston and got what I presume is the same

2 groups of text which were largely meaningless to me but looked like
some sort of code

James

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:20:36 +0100
James Heaton <heatonandmoore@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 21/08/2023 19:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
> > In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
> > local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some
> > odd wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed
> > to be some status report (can Mark help with what the wording
> > means?). Does it appear in other regions Ch7?
> >
> > I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text
> > on those.
>
> Just tried on Ch7 Tacolneston and got what I presume is the same
>
> 2 groups of text which were largely meaningless to me but looked like
> some sort of code
>
> James
>

So that's how the Russians and Chinese keep in contact with their
agents!
I'll try Tacolneston later, when I've got my drink in hand.

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On 21/08/2023 19:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
> In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
> local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
> wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
> some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
> appear in other regions Ch7?
>
> I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on
> those.
>
Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.

On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'

Ummmm................

On 22/08/2023 08:48, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 21/08/2023 19:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
>> local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
>> wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
>> some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
>> appear in other regions Ch7?
>>
>> I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on
>> those.
>>
> Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
> and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.
>
> On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'
>
> Ummmm................

With my Panasonic I get:
v1.5.9C
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
+ SID: 32851
WAI:
PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D

Nothing there tallies with Device or System Information, or the current
software version in the Panny's menu (I don't know how to get the SID
number of the TV if it has one).

--

Jeff

On 22/08/2023 11:51, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 08:48, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 21/08/2023 19:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
>>> local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
>>> wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
>>> some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?).
>>> Does it
>>> appear in other regions Ch7?
>>>
>>> I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on
>>> those.
>>>
>> Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
>> and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.
>>
>> On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'
>>
>> Ummmm................
>
> With my Panasonic I get:
> v1.5.9C
> PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
> +
> SID: 32851
> WAI:
> PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
>
> Nothing there tallies with Device or System Information, or the
> current software version in the Panny's menu (I don't know how to get
> the SID number of the TV if it has one).
>
The SID has got nothing to do with the telly, it's the transmitted stream ID

https://gist.github.com/ashleyhindle/e169ddeec87839dda287

On 22/08/2023 12:58, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 11:51, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> On 22/08/2023 08:48, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 21/08/2023 19:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>> In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
>>>> local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
>>>> wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
>>>> some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?).
>>>> Does it
>>>> appear in other regions Ch7?
>>>>
>>>> I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on
>>>> those.
>>>>
>>> Oooh, I've just taken a look. It's weird, it seems to be the TV's make
>>> and model (I get SAM(sung)...... and U4E9MU700) with the DVB SID number.
>>>
>>> On my LG telly, I get nothing, just 'No Service Available'
>>>
>>> Ummmm................
>>
>> With my Panasonic I get:
>> v1.5.9C
>> PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
>> +
>> SID: 32851
>> WAI:
>> PANT19A01 MHGS&T27D DSMS&T27D
>>
>> Nothing there tallies with Device or System Information, or the
>> current software version in the Panny's menu (I don't know how to get
>> the SID number of the TV if it has one).
>>
> The SID has got nothing to do with the telly, it's the transmitted stream ID
>
> https://gist.github.com/ashleyhindle/e169ddeec87839dda287

I found that out when I did an internet search on SID after I sent the
reply. :-(

Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.

--

Jeff

On 22/08/2023 16:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
> Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
> Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
> search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
> wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.

AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.

Which one is your local channel?
(Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)

--
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On 22/08/2023 18:18, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 16:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
>> Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
>> search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
>> wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.
>
> AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
> there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.
>
> Which one is your local channel?
> (Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)

I get my signal from Rowridge, so IoW.

--

Jeff

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:31:48 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
>On 22/08/2023 18:18, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 22/08/2023 16:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
>>> Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
>>> search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
>>> wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.
>>
>> AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
>> there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.
>>
>> Which one is your local channel?
>> (Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)
>
>I get my signal from Rowridge, so IoW.
I've joined the party. My local station is chan 8 'London Live'.
On my Humax PVR 9300T I get:
V1.5.9C
HMXP93100 DSMS&T337 MHGS&T30F
+
SID:32842
WAI:

On my Sainsbury Celcus TV (Vestel) I get:
V1.5.9C
BORNOV70A CABECL621 MHGCAB621 DSMCAB621 /0009df/6041.dcf49
+
SID:32842
WAI:
So it would seem that line 2 depends on the device and the other lines
depend on the channel.
--
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I don't think in London we have a ch 7.
Brian

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"Jeff Layman" <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
> local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some odd
> wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed to be
> some status report (can Mark help with what the wording means?). Does it
> appear in other regions Ch7?
>
> I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text on
> those.
>
> --
>
> Jeff

Maybe its a code internal to tvs that tells which ones have updates to
download?
Here it goes fron 6 to 8, which is the local tv, which really these days
seems to be showing old dramas and the odd bit of news. What happened to
local current affairs we were promised?
Brian

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"Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:20:36 +0100
> James Heaton <heatonandmoore@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21/08/2023 19:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> > In error I pressed the "text" button on the remote when viewing the
>> > local "That"s TV" channel (Ch7), here in the Southern region. Some
>> > odd wording appeared which was nothing to do with text, but seemed
>> > to be some status report (can Mark help with what the wording
>> > means?). Does it appear in other regions Ch7?
>> >
>> > I tried it on the other That"s TV channels, but there was no text
>> > on those.
>>
>> Just tried on Ch7 Tacolneston and got what I presume is the same
>>
>> 2 groups of text which were largely meaningless to me but looked like
>> some sort of code
>>
>> James
>>
>
> So that's how the Russians and Chinese keep in contact with their
> agents!
> I'll try Tacolneston later, when I've got my drink in hand.
>
> --
> Davey.
>

I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.
Brian

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"Dave W" <davewi11@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:31:48 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On 22/08/2023 18:18, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> On 22/08/2023 16:54, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>> Perhaps because it's now 8 years old, that github table doesn't include
>>>> Ch7. I looked for 32851 on the page, but it isn't there. An internet
>>>> search on SID and 32851 didn't come up with anything of interest. I
>>>> wonder if it appears on local Ch8 anywhere.
>>>
>>> AFAIK SID refers to the SID of the whole channel you are tuned to and
>>> there will be other IDs that identify the video, audio and text streams.
>>>
>>> Which one is your local channel?
>>> (Isle of Wight, Thames valley, Basingstoke, ...)
>>
>>I get my signal from Rowridge, so IoW.
>
> I've joined the party. My local station is chan 8 'London Live'.
>
> On my Humax PVR 9300T I get:
> V1.5.9C
> HMXP93100 DSMS&T337 MHGS&T30F
> +
> SID:32842
> WAI:
>
>
> On my Sainsbury Celcus TV (Vestel) I get:
> V1.5.9C
> BORNOV70A CABECL621 MHGCAB621 DSMCAB621 /0009df/6041.dcf49
> +
> SID:32842
> WAI:
>
> So it would seem that line 2 depends on the device and the other lines
> depend on the channel.
> --
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>
>

On 23/08/2023 10:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.

Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.

You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving from
two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.

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On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100
Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:

> On 23/08/2023 10:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
> > I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.
>
> Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
>
> You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving
> from two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.
>

I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax Fox T2
to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I need to do?

--
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On 23/08/2023 16:25, Davey wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100
> Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 23/08/2023 10:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> I still see no ch7. its a samsung 2020 model.
>> Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
>>
>> You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving
>> from two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.
>>
> I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax Fox T2
> to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I need to do?
>
Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't) so
you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8

On 24/08/2023 08:53, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 23/08/2023 16:25, Davey wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100
>> Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/08/2023 10:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.
>>> Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
>>>
>>> You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are receiving
>>> from two main transmitters that each carry different local channels.
>>>
>> I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax Fox T2
>> to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I need to do?
>>
> Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't) so
> you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8

Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only directed
towards Norwich

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:54:52 +0100
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 24/08/2023 08:53, Mark Carver wrote:
> > On 23/08/2023 16:25, Davey wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100
> >> Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 23/08/2023 10:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
> >>>> I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.
> >>> Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
> >>>
> >>> You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are
> >>> receiving from two main transmitters that each carry different
> >>> local channels.
> >> I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax
> >> Fox T2 to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I
> >> need to do?
> > Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't)
> > so you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8
>
> Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only
> directed towards Norwich

Ah, ok. I thought it had a local MUX, but Norwich is definitely the
wrong direction. There used to be a Mustard TV channel, but I could
never receive it.

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On 24/08/2023 09:24, Davey wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:54:52 +0100
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 24/08/2023 08:53, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2023 16:25, Davey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100
>>>> Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/08/2023 10:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>> I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.
>>>>> Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not both.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are
>>>>> receiving from two main transmitters that each carry different
>>>>> local channels.
>>>> I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax
>>>> Fox T2 to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I
>>>> need to do?
>>> Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't)
>>> so you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8
>> Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only
>> directed towards Norwich
> Ah, ok. I thought it had a local MUX, but Norwich is definitely the
> wrong direction. There used to be a Mustard TV channel, but I could
> never receive it.
>
Radiation pattern on Page 15 (pdf Page 26)

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0036/189729/comux-licence-technical-plan-v13.pdf

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 09:38:27 +0100
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 24/08/2023 09:24, Davey wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:54:52 +0100
> > Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/08/2023 08:53, Mark Carver wrote:
> >>> On 23/08/2023 16:25, Davey wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 14:47:53 +0100
> >>>> Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 23/08/2023 10:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
> >>>>>> I still see no ch7. its  a samsung 2020 model.
> >>>>> Most people get either only channel 7 or only channel 8, not
> >>>>> both.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You'll only get both if you're in an overlap area and are
> >>>>> receiving from two main transmitters that each carry different
> >>>>> local channels.
> >>>> I can almost see Tacolneston from here, but I can't get my Humax
> >>>> Fox T2 to tune in either Ch. 7 or 8. Is there something special I
> >>>> need to do?
> >>> Tacolneston doesn't carry a local TV mux (most transmitters don't)
> >>> so you obviously won't get anything on Ch 7 or 8
> >> Sorry my mistake, it does, but the signal is low power and only
> >> directed towards Norwich
> > Ah, ok. I thought it had a local MUX, but Norwich is definitely the
> > wrong direction. There used to be a Mustard TV channel, but I could
> > never receive it.
> >
> Radiation pattern on Page 15 (pdf Page 26)
>
> https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0036/189729/comux-licence-technical-plan-v13.pdf

Definitely Norwich-ward orientation.

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On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 10:18:19 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>I don't think in London we have a ch 7.
> Brian
You're in the same location as me - I have already posted my
experience on channel 8 'London Live'.
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