Hi everyone,

recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of the
SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.

Does anyone know when shortly will be?
Possibly Mr. Carver?
Also will the closure mean another round of musical chairs, aka as
transponder shuffling?

I'd be grateful for any information on this matter..

Eddie King wrote:

> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of the
> SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>
> Does anyone know when shortly will be?

Supposedly March 2024, presumably you're watching on satellite?

Andy Burns wrote:

> Eddie King wrote:
>
>> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of
>> the SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>>
>> Does anyone know when shortly will be?
>
> Supposedly March 2024, presumably you're watching on satellite?

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/hd-2023>

On 19.09.2023 14:58, Andy Burns wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Eddie King wrote:
>>
>>> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of
>>> the SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know when shortly will be?
>>
>> Supposedly March 2024, presumably you're watching on satellite?
>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/hd-2023>
>

Thanks for that.
Yes on Satellite using a non-freesat box which is why any transponder
shuffle is a bit of a pita.

On 19/09/2023 13:40, Eddie King wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of
> the SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>
> Does anyone know when shortly will be?
> Possibly Mr. Carver?
> Also will the closure mean another round of musical chairs, aka as
> transponder shuffling?
>
> I'd be grateful for any information on this matter..

As Andy says, the BBC SD transmissions aren't due to die until March,
but I suspect the captions will only get 'worse' between then and now.

There may well be a transponder reshuffle in March as a result, or you
might be lucky and they just switch off their presence on that one..
I've lost track, you presumably can't receive the HD transponders ?

On 19.09.2023 16:27, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 19/09/2023 13:40, Eddie King wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of
>> the SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>>
>> Does anyone know when shortly will be?
>> Possibly Mr. Carver?
>> Also will the closure mean another round of musical chairs, aka as
>> transponder shuffling?
>>
>> I'd be grateful for any information on this matter..
>
> As Andy says, the BBC SD transmissions aren't due to die until March,
> but I suspect the captions will only get 'worse' between then and now.
>
> There may well be a transponder reshuffle in March as a result, or you
> might be lucky and they just switch off their presence on that one..
> I've lost track, you presumably can't receive the HD transponders ?

Mark,

thank you.

I can receiver the HD transponders, however, living in northern Germany
in a fringe area on the extreme edge of the UK beam footprint, I always
choose the strongest transponders which at present are the SD ones,
hence my query regarding reshuffle.

For some reason which I do not understand, the weaker transponders tend
to drop out towards evening returning later at night, during the daytime
things are usually fine.

So it seems as if it's a case of wait and see.

Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
possible through a proxy of some sort.
Brian

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"Eddie King" <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> On 19.09.2023 16:27, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 19/09/2023 13:40, Eddie King wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of the
>>> SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know when shortly will be?
>>> Possibly Mr. Carver?
>>> Also will the closure mean another round of musical chairs, aka as
>>> transponder shuffling?
>>>
>>> I'd be grateful for any information on this matter..
>>
>> As Andy says, the BBC SD transmissions aren't due to die until March, but
>> I suspect the captions will only get 'worse' between then and now.
>>
>> There may well be a transponder reshuffle in March as a result, or you
>> might be lucky and they just switch off their presence on that one..
>> I've lost track, you presumably can't receive the HD transponders ?
>
> Mark,
>
> thank you.
>
> I can receiver the HD transponders, however, living in northern Germany in
> a fringe area on the extreme edge of the UK beam footprint, I always
> choose the strongest transponders which at present are the SD ones, hence
> my query regarding reshuffle.
>
> For some reason which I do not understand, the weaker transponders tend to
> drop out towards evening returning later at night, during the daytime
> things are usually fine.
>
> So it seems as if it's a case of wait and see.

Is this due to cost cutting again. If that is the case then I'd suspect
freeview might be in the sights next.
Brian

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"Eddie King" <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> On 19.09.2023 16:27, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 19/09/2023 13:40, Eddie King wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of the
>>> SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know when shortly will be?
>>> Possibly Mr. Carver?
>>> Also will the closure mean another round of musical chairs, aka as
>>> transponder shuffling?
>>>
>>> I'd be grateful for any information on this matter..
>>
>> As Andy says, the BBC SD transmissions aren't due to die until March, but
>> I suspect the captions will only get 'worse' between then and now.
>>
>> There may well be a transponder reshuffle in March as a result, or you
>> might be lucky and they just switch off their presence on that one..
>> I've lost track, you presumably can't receive the HD transponders ?
>
> Mark,
>
> thank you.
>
> I can receiver the HD transponders, however, living in northern Germany in
> a fringe area on the extreme edge of the UK beam footprint, I always
> choose the strongest transponders which at present are the SD ones, hence
> my query regarding reshuffle.
>
> For some reason which I do not understand, the weaker transponders tend to
> drop out towards evening returning later at night, during the daytime
> things are usually fine.
>
> So it seems as if it's a case of wait and see.

On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
> possible through a proxy of some sort.
> Brian
>

Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:58:57 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Eddie King wrote:
>>
>>> recently in the evening the BBC have been spoiling the lower half of
>>> the SD picture with a message stating that BBC SD will close shortly.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know when shortly will be?
>>
>> Supposedly March 2024, presumably you're watching on satellite?
>
><https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/hd-2023>
>

That's going to kill recording on my PVR and additionally SD reception
remains better than HD especially on high pressure days.

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On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:44:37 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
> possible through a proxy of some sort.
> Brian
>

ATM BBC channels on the internet only ask if you have a TV license, but pretty soon I guess they will start asking for the number.

SNIP

> >
> > For some reason which I do not understand, the weaker transponders tend to
> > drop out towards evening returning later at night, during the daytime
> > things are usually fine.

Solar activity in the ionosphere probably.

> >
> > So it seems as if it's a case of wait and see.

On 20/09/2023 13:16, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:44:37 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>> Brian
>>
>
> ATM BBC channels on the internet only ask if you have a TV license, but pretty soon I guess they will start asking for the number.
>

Not so simple outside the UK. And a commercial UK VPN server is not a
guaranteed solution.

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R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> ATM BBC channels on the internet only ask if you have a TV license,
> but pretty soon I guess they will start asking for the number.

I wish they would, then they could stop asking whether I have one, and
while they're at it they could stop asking if I want to enable a PIN to
block non child-friendly programmes.

On 20/09/2023 13:16, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 17:44:37 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>> Brian
>>
>
> ATM BBC channels on the internet only ask if you have a TV license, but pretty soon I guess they will start asking for the number.

I'm sure what will follow is a large number of licence identities being
published on the web.

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On 20/09/2023 13:43, Robin wrote:
> Not so simple outside the UK.  And a commercial UK VPN server is not a
> guaranteed solution.

A friend in the USA has a TV Licence using his sister's UK address so
can watch iPLayer etc.

On 20/09/2023 13:58, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
>> ATM BBC channels on the internet only ask if you have a TV license,
>> but pretty soon I guess they will start asking for the number.
>
> I wish they would, then they could stop asking whether I have one, and
> while they're at it they could stop asking if I want to enable a PIN to
> block non child-friendly programmes.

+1

On that subject (sort of), if I go straight to the iPlayer app on my TV,
it asks me if it's for me (or someone else if there are others who have
an ID? I'm the only one who has a BBC account). However, if I press the
green button while watching live it goes straight to the iPlayer
programme without checking if it's me watching. I suppose it makes some
sort of sense, but if while watching iPlayer I press the back/return
button I get to the general iPlayer screen where anything can be chosen.

So why does it assume it's me when I get to iPlayer via the green
button, but asks who it is when I get to it via the iPlayer app?

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On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:25:56 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote:

> On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>> Brian
>>
>
> Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial

Presumably you don't pay. What makes you think you are entitled?

On 21.09.2023 12:41, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:25:56 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
>>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>
>> Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial
>
> Presumably you don't pay. What makes you think you are entitled?

Thank you for that extremely helpful reply :-(

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:06:05 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote:

> On 21.09.2023 12:41, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:25:56 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that this was
>>>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial
>>
>> Presumably you don't pay. What makes you think you are entitled?
>
> Thank you for that extremely helpful reply :-(

So you don't then. Freeloader complaining about something he's not entitled
to and way out of the offical service area disappearing.
Bloody arrogance of people.
Why don't you just watch your German TV?

On 21/09/2023 13:06, Eddie King wrote:
> On 21.09.2023 12:41, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:25:56 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that
>>>> this was
>>>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>>>>    Brian
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial
>>
>> Presumably you don't pay. What makes you think you are entitled?
>
> Thank you for that extremely helpful reply :-(

In an attempt to be helpful may I suggest you lobby the BBC, HMG et al
in support of a subscription option? That could allow you (and others
outside the UK) to subscribe. You could enjoy BBC services and the BBC
could gain a new source funds.

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:30:47 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 21/09/2023 13:06, Eddie King wrote:
>> On 21.09.2023 12:41, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:25:56 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that
>>>>> this was
>>>>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>>>>>    Brian
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial
>>>
>>> Presumably you don't pay. What makes you think you are entitled?
>>
>> Thank you for that extremely helpful reply :-(
>
>In an attempt to be helpful may I suggest you lobby the BBC, HMG et al
>in support of a subscription option? That could allow you (and others
>outside the UK) to subscribe. You could enjoy BBC services and the BBC
>could gain a new source funds.

I think it may not be constitutionally possible for the funding of the
BBC to change until the royal charter expires in 2027, regardless of
what anybody thinks, and I'm sure the BBC wouldn't want it to anyway.

However, the most commonsense arrangement after that would probably be
some combination of subscription and advertising, perhaps different
sunscriptions for different types of programmes, perhaps with some
stuff free to view with adverts on broadcast but without the adverts
online by paid subscription. Perhaps with a few individual programmes
paid for separately. In other words, what the likes of Amazon and
Netflix have already been doing quite successfully for some time. As a
paid online subscription service it could be made available
everywhere. If that happens I foresee a serious cull of superfluous
job titles at the BBC, and IMHO it can't happen soon enough.

Rod.

Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 21/09/2023 13:06, Eddie King wrote:
> > On 21.09.2023 12:41, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:25:56 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
> >>>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that
> >>>> this was
> >>>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
> >>>>    Brian
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial
> >>
> >> Presumably you don't pay. What makes you think you are entitled?
> >
> > Thank you for that extremely helpful reply :-(
>
> In an attempt to be helpful may I suggest you lobby the BBC, HMG et al
> in support of a subscription option? That could allow you (and others
> outside the UK) to subscribe. You could enjoy BBC services and the BBC
> could gain a new source funds.
>
However (I do live in the UK so doesn't affect me directly) *why*
should it be difficult to watch BBC programmes from outside the UK?

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On 21/09/2023 19:01, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:30:47 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21/09/2023 13:06, Eddie King wrote:
>>> On 21.09.2023 12:41, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:25:56 +0200, Eddie King <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19.09.2023 18:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>> Can you not get it on the Internet instead? I'm sure I read that
>>>>>> this was
>>>>>> possible through a proxy of some sort.
>>>>>>    Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian, yes this is possible thoiugh it is a right pain in the proverbial
>>>>
>>>> Presumably you don't pay. What makes you think you are entitled?
>>>
>>> Thank you for that extremely helpful reply :-(
>>
>> In an attempt to be helpful may I suggest you lobby the BBC, HMG et al
>> in support of a subscription option? That could allow you (and others
>> outside the UK) to subscribe. You could enjoy BBC services and the BBC
>> could gain a new source funds.
>
> I think it may not be constitutionally possible for the funding of the
> BBC to change until the royal charter expires in 2027, regardless of
> what anybody thinks, and I'm sure the BBC wouldn't want it to anyway.

I did not say anything about /replacing/ the current funding
arrangements. And I'm not aware of anything which prevents the BBC
offering such a service in addition to its current services. I don't
see it as different in kind from BBC World (which might be the vehicle
through which it was offered).

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On 21/09/2023 20:09, Chris Green wrote:

>>
> However (I do live in the UK so doesn't affect me directly) *why*
> should it be difficult to watch BBC programmes from outside the UK?
>

The BBC does not always have the right to broadcast outside the UK what
it broadcasts within.
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On 21/09/2023 20:32, Robin wrote:
> The BBC does not always have the right to broadcast outside the UK what
> it broadcasts within.

And will have to pay more for the rights to show worldwide, the 'talent'
will also all want more money (probably even the man who sweeps the floor!).

What is the betting that many who have been bragging about being able to
watch BBC without a licence will be finding ways around any subscription
scheme - perhaps encouraged / assisted again by the BBC's competitors /
enemies.