I see that these are swapping channels on 18 October, and Pick will be
renamed Sky Mix when it opens on Ch11. Sky Arts will be on Ch36. I
assume there is a point to the channel change, but I've always assumed
that Ch1 - 5 are the "important" ones for audience ratings.

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On Sat 14/10/2023 18:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
> I see that these are swapping channels on 18 October, and Pick will be
> renamed Sky Mix when it opens on Ch11. Sky Arts will be on Ch36. I
> assume there is a point to the channel change, but I've always assumed
> that Ch1 - 5 are the "important" ones for audience ratings.
>

Technically 1-24 are the sacred slots - and you will notice there is no
24 any more!

I am thinking Sky have a build up of non AD programs to run, so what better
way than to rename the channel and move it, claiming the grace period till
they have to comply with the percentage of AD output, most big channels
have to use.
About time 5 did some renaming again. Also why is Talking pictures on such
a high channel number? From the number of people who now watch this channel,
it surely ought to be more in the teens than the 80s? Maybe Somebody has
greased some palms to stick it out of the way.
Also who the heck watches the Christmas channels?
I've noticed a lot of Christmas themed shows on all over the various
networks of late, its somewhat early. Most radio stations do not start
playing the tunes until December, apart from ones called Christmas of
course.
Brian

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"Jeff Layman" <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>I see that these are swapping channels on 18 October, and Pick will be
>renamed Sky Mix when it opens on Ch11. Sky Arts will be on Ch36. I assume
>there is a point to the channel change, but I've always assumed that Ch1 -
>5 are the "important" ones for audience ratings.
>
> --
>
> Jeff

Yes why? Put talking pictures in that slot.
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> On Sat 14/10/2023 18:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> I see that these are swapping channels on 18 October, and Pick will be
>> renamed Sky Mix when it opens on Ch11. Sky Arts will be on Ch36. I assume
>> there is a point to the channel change, but I've always assumed that
>> Ch1 - 5 are the "important" ones for audience ratings.
>>
>
> Technically 1-24 are the sacred slots - and you will notice there is no 24
> any more!

You forgot your usual "Bah humbug" sign-off, Brian!

On 15/10/2023 11:38, Brian Gaff wrote:

> Also who the heck watches the Christmas channels?
> I've noticed a lot of Christmas themed shows on all over the various
> networks of late, its somewhat early. Most radio stations do not start
> playing the tunes until December, apart from ones called Christmas of
> course.
> Brian

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Well, its too early for Bah and humbug. I noticed something on Samsung TV
plus the other day about the origins of the Easter Bunny, now that is
stretching things a bit.

I do wish said service would fix their outages on the myth busters channel
4205. It suddenly goes away with loading but i suspect the problem is not
routing, but the gear at their end losing lock, since when it comes back its
often garbled as if its a dodgy mobile phone signal, but it can be off for
half an hour or just a few seconds. No way to run a streaming channel.
Brian

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"Jeff Layman" <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> You forgot your usual "Bah humbug" sign-off, Brian!
>
> On 15/10/2023 11:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> Also who the heck watches the Christmas channels?
>> I've noticed a lot of Christmas themed shows on all over the various
>> networks of late, its somewhat early. Most radio stations do not start
>> playing the tunes until December, apart from ones called Christmas of
>> course.
>> Brian
>
> --
>
> Jeff
>
>

"Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat 14/10/2023 18:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> I see that these are swapping channels on 18 October, and Pick will be
>> renamed Sky Mix when it opens on Ch11. Sky Arts will be on Ch36. I assume
>> there is a point to the channel change, but I've always assumed that
>> Ch1 - 5 are the "important" ones for audience ratings.
>>
>
> Technically 1-24 are the sacred slots - and you will notice there is no 24
> any more!

It really is time that the channel numbers were sorted by genre once and for
all - say to broadcasters "You get this one chance and no other to change
LCNs". Bring back ITV+1 on LCN 33 (related to 3 for ITV) and 4Seven on LCN
47.

We need to get away from the whole concept of some LCNs being more
"valuable" than others. If a channel's LCN happens to be 123, so be it: let
the viewers type that number into their TV/PVR remote.

The overriding principle is that a channel keeps the LCN that it has been
given, so that viewers can actually remember them, instead of them changing
every few months. Let them change mux (as long as people are told to retune)
but make them keep their Ofcom-allocated LCN.

On 16/10/2023 21:14, NY wrote:
> The overriding principle is that a channel keeps the LCN that it has
> been given, so that viewers can actually remember them, instead of them
> changing every few months. Let them change mux (as long as people are
> told to retune) but make them keep their Ofcom-allocated LCN.

How often do people enter the number? I tend to select using 'Guide'.

I tend to only remember 101, 102 and 231. I watch BBC Four a lot but
can't remember its number.

JMB99 wrote:

>On 16/10/2023 21:14, NY wrote:
>> The overriding principle is that a channel keeps the LCN that it has
>> been given, so that viewers can actually remember them, instead of them
>> changing every few months. Let them change mux (as long as people are
>> told to retune) but make them keep their Ofcom-allocated LCN.

>How often do people enter the number? I tend to select using 'Guide'.
>
>I tend to only remember 101, 102 and 231. I watch BBC Four a lot but
>can't remember its number.

I always set up "Favourites" on my PVR, so my most-used channels
are together, and in the sort of order that works for me.

I heard somewhere that a software update on a particular TV
deliberately removed the ability to create Favourites, and you
were stuck with the LCN order. It seemed to relate to
broadcasters aiming for low numbers and wanting to keep their
supposed advantage.

Chris
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On 18/10/2023 08:46, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> I heard somewhere that a software update on a particular TV
> deliberately removed the ability to create Favourites, and you
> were stuck with the LCN order. It seemed to relate to
> broadcasters aiming for low numbers and wanting to keep their
> supposed advantage.

Yes, we fell foul of that on a Philips TV. We bought it because it had
the Favourites feature. I spent ages setting up favourites for
terrestrial and for satellite - even distinguishing between the various
ITV regions on satellite in case we wanted out-of-region local news
occasionally. Then a year or so later a software update removed the
favourites feature. And there was no way of reverting.

Philips claimed that they had been forced by Freeview and Freesat to
remove the feature in order to continue using the Freeview/Freesat
branding, and therefore that there was no way of re-enabling it or
reversing the software update.

Asking on this forum, the consensus was that it was bollocks that FV/FS
were forcing manufacturers to remove the feature.

The workaround was to claim to be located in a different country (ie not
UK) when doing a scan, and the feature magically reappeared. It removed
the knowledge of transmitter versus mux frequencies, so you had to do a
full-spectrum scan or enter the frequencies explicitly, instead of
entering postcode or region of UK, but that's no great hardship for
those who understand these things.

Particularly as for this TV, the "correct" transmitter for my postcode
is a different one from the one that my aerial and everyone else's in
the village is pointing at. Easier to remove the
too-clever-by-three-quarters logic and just do it manually.

"JMB99" <mb@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> On 16/10/2023 21:14, NY wrote:
>> The overriding principle is that a channel keeps the LCN that it has been
>> given, so that viewers can actually remember them, instead of them
>> changing every few months. Let them change mux (as long as people are
>> told to retune) but make them keep their Ofcom-allocated LCN.
>
>
> How often do people enter the number? I tend to select using 'Guide'.
>
> I tend to only remember 101, 102 and 231. I watch BBC Four a lot but
> can't remember its number.

Yes but you tend to learn where one channel is in relation to another as you
scroll up and down the list in LCN order, trying to find the channel you
want and hence its sequential list of programmes so you can select the one
you want to record.