How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479

Scott wrote:

> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479

It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>
>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>
>It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?

That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight' on
Radio 4 and BBC WS?

However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
from a dedicated news studio.

On 29/11/2023 18:51, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>>
>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>
> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight' on
> Radio 4 and BBC WS?
>
> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
> from a dedicated news studio.

Further away from the Westminster village and so the journalists may
have to work harder to report real news?

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:04:12 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 29/11/2023 18:51, Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>>>
>>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>>
>> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight' on
>> Radio 4 and BBC WS?
>>
>> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
>> from a dedicated news studio.
>
>Further away from the Westminster village and so the journalists may
>have to work harder to report real news?

Yes, but how does this save money, which is the claimed purpose?

Scott wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>>
>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>
> That's Newsnight.

Which is where your link went to ...

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:31:39 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>>>
>>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>>
>> That's Newsnight.
>
>Which is where your link went to ...

Fair point. I realised as soon as I sent the post that I should have
quoted the relevant part and made the text independent of the subject.
I just can't see how relocating News at One to Salford saves money. I
suspect it has something to do with BBC internal politics.

On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 19:22:05 UTC, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:04:12 +0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >On 29/11/2023 18:51, Scott wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Scott wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
> >>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
> >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
> >>>
> >>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
> >>
> >> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight' on
> >> Radio 4 and BBC WS?
> >>
> >> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
> >> from a dedicated news studio.
> >
> >Further away from the Westminster village and so the journalists may
> >have to work harder to report real news?
> Yes, but how does this save money, which is the claimed purpose?

Er rents and salaries etc. are lower in Manchester than central London.

On 29/11/2023 18:30, Scott wrote:
> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479

Newsnight is rather superfluous now, there news discussion programmes on
the News channel all day that do a very similar job to Newsnight but I
admit that I have hardly ever watched Newsnight - probably count the
number of times on one hand.

It could be that they have available studio space in Manchester and can
use the space freed up in London for something else.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:34:09 -0800 (PST), "R. Mark Clayton"
<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 19:22:05 UTC, Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:04:12 +0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >On 29/11/2023 18:51, Scott wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Scott wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>> >>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>> >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>> >>>
>> >>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>> >>
>> >> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight' on
>> >> Radio 4 and BBC WS?
>> >>
>> >> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
>> >> from a dedicated news studio.
>> >
>> >Further away from the Westminster village and so the journalists may
>> >have to work harder to report real news?
>> Yes, but how does this save money, which is the claimed purpose?
>
>Er rents and salaries etc. are lower in Manchester than central London.

But the rent is already paid (fixed cost) and getting existing staff
to produce another hour of output would intuitively seem cheaper than
employing new staff in Salford. Anyway, I thought the news was
semi-automated with the equipment based in 'Europe's largest newsroom'
in London.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:22:12 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 29/11/2023 18:30, Scott wrote:
>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>
>
>
>Newsnight is rather superfluous now, there news discussion programmes on
>the News channel all day that do a very similar job to Newsnight but I
>admit that I have hardly ever watched Newsnight - probably count the
>number of times on one hand.
>
>It could be that they have available studio space in Manchester and can
>use the space freed up in London for something else.

Why not merge it with 'The World Tonight' on Radio 4?

In article <s4qgmitavr0l5ma3lap5rsk7tntf7vddl9@4ax.com>, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:34:09 -0800 (PST), "R. Mark Clayton"
> <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

> >On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 19:22:05 UTC, Scott wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:04:12 +0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On 29/11/2023 18:51, Scott wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns
> >> >> <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Scott wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
> >> >>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any
> >> >>>> money? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
> >> >>
> >> >> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight'
> >> >> on Radio 4 and BBC WS?
> >> >>
> >> >> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
> >> >> from a dedicated news studio.
> >> >
> >> >Further away from the Westminster village and so the journalists may
> >> >have to work harder to report real news?
> >> Yes, but how does this save money, which is the claimed purpose?
> >
> >Er rents and salaries etc. are lower in Manchester than central London.

> But the rent is already paid (fixed cost) and getting existing staff to
> produce another hour of output would intuitively seem cheaper than
> employing new staff in Salford. Anyway, I thought the news was
> semi-automated with the equipment based in 'Europe's largest newsroom' in
> London.

London staff are more expensive than those outside - no "London Weighting"
of salaries

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In article <faqgmi18mg0glqf8pnv981fleg49v4n8f0@4ax.com>,
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:22:12 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

> >On 29/11/2023 18:30, Scott wrote:
> >> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
> >> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
> >> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
> >
> >
> >
> >Newsnight is rather superfluous now, there news discussion programmes on
> >the News channel all day that do a very similar job to Newsnight but I
> >admit that I have hardly ever watched Newsnight - probably count the
> >number of times on one hand.
> >
> >It could be that they have available studio space in Manchester and can
> >use the space freed up in London for something else.

> Why not merge it with 'The World Tonight' on Radio 4?

That would mean rather long days to be worked

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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Thu, 30 Nov 23 11:15:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <s4qgmitavr0l5ma3lap5rsk7tntf7vddl9@4ax.com>, Scott
><newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:34:09 -0800 (PST), "R. Mark Clayton"
>> <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 19:22:05 UTC, Scott wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:04:12 +0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On 29/11/2023 18:51, Scott wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns
>> >> >> <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Scott wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>> >> >>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any
>> >> >>>> money? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight'
>> >> >> on Radio 4 and BBC WS?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
>> >> >> from a dedicated news studio.
>> >> >
>> >> >Further away from the Westminster village and so the journalists may
>> >> >have to work harder to report real news?
>> >> Yes, but how does this save money, which is the claimed purpose?
>> >
>> >Er rents and salaries etc. are lower in Manchester than central London.
>
>> But the rent is already paid (fixed cost) and getting existing staff to
>> produce another hour of output would intuitively seem cheaper than
>> employing new staff in Salford. Anyway, I thought the news was
>> semi-automated with the equipment based in 'Europe's largest newsroom' in
>> London.
>
>London staff are more expensive than those outside - no "London Weighting"
>of salaries

I know that, but would you employ a whole staff member to read one
hour of news? Surely flexible working at BH would be cheaper than
setting up a new operation at SQ.

On Thu, 30 Nov 23 11:15:05 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <faqgmi18mg0glqf8pnv981fleg49v4n8f0@4ax.com>,
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:22:12 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> >On 29/11/2023 18:30, Scott wrote:
>> >> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>> >> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>> >> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Newsnight is rather superfluous now, there news discussion programmes on
>> >the News channel all day that do a very similar job to Newsnight but I
>> >admit that I have hardly ever watched Newsnight - probably count the
>> >number of times on one hand.
>> >
>> >It could be that they have available studio space in Manchester and can
>> >use the space freed up in London for something else.
>
>> Why not merge it with 'The World Tonight' on Radio 4?
>
>That would mean rather long days to be worked

I meant retiming Newsnight to 10 pm and simulcasting (or retiming The
World Tonight to 10.30 pm).

Well, a lot of stuff is going to Media City as its trendally called now.
Perhaps the rents are cheaper.
I don't think it will be very long before all news will be created by CGI
and artificial speech in any case.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Scott wrote:
>>
>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>>
>>It saves �285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>
> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight' on
> Radio 4 and BBC WS?
>
> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
> from a dedicated news studio.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:21:33 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

>Well, a lot of stuff is going to Media City as its trendally called now.
> Perhaps the rents are cheaper.
> I don't think it will be very long before all news will be created by CGI
>and artificial speech in any case.

I can see that but my specific question is how it saves money to split
one department between two sites. If they put on a second edition of
'Breakfast' ('Lunch') I could see the logic - as in the days of
'Pebblemill at One'.

On 30/11/2023 11:33, Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 23 11:15:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <s4qgmitavr0l5ma3lap5rsk7tntf7vddl9@4ax.com>, Scott
>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:34:09 -0800 (PST), "R. Mark Clayton"
>>> <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 19:22:05 UTC, Scott wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:04:12 +0000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/11/2023 18:51, Scott wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:46:41 +0000, Andy Burns
>>>>>>> <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
>>>>>>>>> studio where all other news programmes are produced save any
>>>>>>>>> money? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It saves £285,000 for Kirsty Wark's salary?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's Newsnight. Why don't the merge it with 'The World Tonight'
>>>>>>> on Radio 4 and BBC WS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I was wondering about the logic of moving News at One away
>>>>>>> from a dedicated news studio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further away from the Westminster village and so the journalists may
>>>>>> have to work harder to report real news?
>>>>> Yes, but how does this save money, which is the claimed purpose?
>>>>
>>>> Er rents and salaries etc. are lower in Manchester than central
London.
>>
>>> But the rent is already paid (fixed cost) and getting existing staff to
>>> produce another hour of output would intuitively seem cheaper than
>>> employing new staff in Salford. Anyway, I thought the news was
>>> semi-automated with the equipment based in 'Europe's largest
newsroom' in
>>> London.
>>
>> London staff are more expensive than those outside - no "London
Weighting"
>> of salaries
>
> I know that, but would you employ a whole staff member to read one
> hour of news? Surely flexible working at BH would be cheaper than
> setting up a new operation at SQ.

It's not a new operation at Salford. Breakfast has been there for 12
years. They've just built a new studio there for Breakfast (so it no
longer shares with North West Tonight) I'm sure that's the studio to be
used for the Lunchtime News.

On 30/11/2023 12:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I don't think it will be very long before all news will be created by CGI
> and artificial speech in any case.

I said years ago that it would be relatively easy to use synthesised
voices on radio. Authors have to travel around the country plugging
their book and be interviewed by local radio people who have not read
the book and probably never hear of them.

They could do one interview and the station could have the interviewer
in any accent they want.

TV is a bit more difficult but can be done.

On 30/11/2023 10:52, Scott wrote:
> Why not merge it with 'The World Tonight' on Radio 4?

No news film, no graphics etc on the radio.

On 30/11/2023 11:15, charles wrote:
> London staff are more expensive than those outside - no "London Weighting"
> of salaries

Probably a higher turnover in staff than in the regions.

Maybe the eventual idea is do away with demarcation of radio and tv news and
just have two news regions serving both tv and radio, including local radio.

Seems to me that despite the finger pointing at the BBC for being left wing,
we are heading toward throwing away the things the BBC does reasonable well,
local radio, tv news and documentaries and wildlife and giving all the
money to big productions that they can sell to the rest of the world. Its no
good trying to maximise the money coming in, if you let the actual good
parts die of starvation while you are doing it.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:21:33 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, a lot of stuff is going to Media City as its trendally called now.
>> Perhaps the rents are cheaper.
>> I don't think it will be very long before all news will be created by CGI
>>and artificial speech in any case.
>
> I can see that but my specific question is how it saves money to split
> one department between two sites. If they put on a second edition of
> 'Breakfast' ('Lunch') I could see the logic - as in the days of
> 'Pebblemill at One'.

On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 09:31:01 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

There seems to be a desire to give up all the programs that people
like, such as "A Question of Sport". It worked well under Sue Barker et
alia, so they changed it 'for a younger audience', and now I never
watch it, it's lost all that it had that was good. Similarly with Ken
Bruce on radio, he was sidelined for no reason.
There are others.

A strange way to run a public service corporation.

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> Maybe the eventual idea is do away with demarcation of radio and
This> tv
> news and just have two news regions serving both tv and radio,
> including local radio.
>
> Seems to me that despite the finger pointing at the BBC for being
> left wing, we are heading toward throwing away the things the BBC
> does reasonable well, local radio, tv news and documentaries and
> wildlife and giving all the money to big productions that they can
> sell to the rest of the world. Its no good trying to maximise the
> money coming in, if you let the actual good parts die of starvation
> while you are doing it. Brian
>

On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 23:22:15 UTC, JMB99 wrote:
> On 29/11/2023 18:30, Scott wrote:
> > How does moving a news programme to Salford rather than the news
> > studio where all other news programmes are produced save any money?
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67564479
> Newsnight is rather superfluous now, there news discussion programmes on
> the News channel all day that do a very similar job to Newsnight but I
> admit that I have hardly ever watched Newsnight - probably count the
> number of times on one hand.
>
> It could be that they have available studio space in Manchester and can
> use the space freed up in London for something else.

Newsnight was good if you wanted an in depth news program after a long day. Now that there are multiple news channels you can catch up almost anytime and sadly Newsnight has tended to long magazine type sections on obscure [dull] subjects.

On 01/12/2023 10:05, Davey wrote:
> Similarly with Ken
> Bruce on radio, he was sidelined for no reason.

I thought he 'followed the money', must be being paid considerably more
at wherever he is.