Lost Freeview this morning, I was using the TV for something else so it
was difficult to check what was happening

Not showing as off on the various website but ukfree.tv is showing at
least seven dependents of Torosay going off at 10:09 this morning no
mention of the parent station being off.

Surely even Arquiva would notice seven relays going off at the same time?

I can remember at least twenty years ago we told that 'artificial
intelligence' would notice multiple relay stations going off at the same
time!

On Sun 14/01/2024 14:55, JMB99 wrote:
> Lost Freeview this morning, I was using the TV for something else so it
> was difficult to check what was happening
>
> Not showing as off on the various website but ukfree.tv is showing at
> least seven dependents of Torosay going off at 10:09 this morning no
> mention of the parent station being off.
>
> Surely even Arquiva would notice seven relays going off at the same time?
>
> I can remember at least twenty years ago we told that 'artificial
> intelligence' would notice multiple relay stations going off at the same
> time!
>
>
>

Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!

On 14/01/2024 14:55, JMB99 wrote:
> Lost Freeview this morning, I was using the TV for something else so it
> was difficult to check what was happening
>
> Not showing as off on the various website but ukfree.tv is showing at
> least seven dependents of Torosay going off at 10:09 this morning no
> mention of the parent station being off.
>
> Surely even Arquiva would notice seven relays going off at the same time?
>
> I can remember at least twenty years ago we told that 'artificial
> intelligence' would notice multiple relay stations going off at the same
> time!

FFS, use the BBC's own reception checker, not bloody UK Free, it shows
Torosay itself off the air (owing to a 'fault' since 10:09 this morning)
So it's no surprise its relays are also off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/problems-freeview-reception/#/Freeview/PA65%206AY/Torosay

If you bother to look at the SSE fault logger, it states a planned power
cut today between 10:00 and 16:00 hrs (Work Ref 22131 Post Code PA65)

So, nothing to get worried about, perhaps if anyone is at fault, it's
the broadcasters for not announcing it.

On 14/01/2024 15:00, Woody wrote:
>
> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!

Not my fault that they cannot spell.

On 14/01/2024 15:25, Mark Carver wrote:
> FFS, use the BBC's own reception checker, not bloody UK Free, it shows
> Torosay itself off the air (owing to a 'fault' since 10:09 this morning)
> So it's no surprise its relays are also off.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/problems-freeview-reception/#/Freeview/PA65%206AY/Torosay
>
> If you bother to look at the SSE fault logger, it states a planned power
> cut today between 10:00 and 16:00 hrs (Work Ref 22131 Post Code PA65)
>
> So, nothing to get worried about, perhaps if anyone is at fault, it's
> the broadcasters for not announcing it.

Do they no longer have the diesel?

On 14/01/2024 15:55, JMB99 wrote:
> On 14/01/2024 15:25, Mark Carver wrote:
>> FFS, use the BBC's own reception checker, not bloody UK Free, it shows
>> Torosay itself off the air (owing to a 'fault' since 10:09 this
>> morning) So it's no surprise its relays are also off.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/problems-freeview-reception/#/Freeview/PA65%206AY/Torosay
>>
>> If you bother to look at the SSE fault logger, it states a planned
>> power cut today between 10:00 and 16:00 hrs (Work Ref 22131 Post Code
>> PA65)
>>
>> So, nothing to get worried about, perhaps if anyone is at fault, it's
>> the broadcasters for not announcing it.
>
>
> Do they no longer have the diesel?
>
>
Is Torosay a 'proper' Main Station ? I've never been sure. It has a
smaller audience than many relays, that don't have gennys.

Of course the genny may not have started up, and perhaps someone did
attend, and it's not a quick fix. Hense the BBC/Arqiva using the term
'Fault' rather than 'DNO Maintenance', anyway, it should come back on
about now ?

On 14/01/2024 15:25, Mark Carver wrote:
> If you bother to look at the SSE fault logger, it states a planned power
> cut today between 10:00 and 16:00 hrs (Work Ref 22131 Post Code PA65)

Very unusual to have planned work on a Sunday?

On Sun 14/01/2024 15:25, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 14/01/2024 14:55, JMB99 wrote:
>> Lost Freeview this morning, I was using the TV for something else so
>> it was difficult to check what was happening
>>
>> Not showing as off on the various website but ukfree.tv is showing at
>> least seven dependents of Torosay going off at 10:09 this morning no
>> mention of the parent station being off.
>>
>> Surely even Arquiva would notice seven relays going off at the same time?
>>
>> I can remember at least twenty years ago we told that 'artificial
>> intelligence' would notice multiple relay stations going off at the
>> same time!
>
> FFS, use the BBC's own reception checker, not bloody UK Free, it shows
> Torosay itself off the air (owing to a 'fault' since 10:09 this morning)
> So it's no surprise its relays are also off.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/problems-freeview-reception/#/Freeview/PA65%206AY/Torosay
>
> If you bother to look at the SSE fault logger, it states a planned power
> cut today between 10:00 and 16:00 hrs (Work Ref 22131 Post Code PA65)
>
> So, nothing to get worried about, perhaps if anyone is at fault, it's
> the broadcasters for not announcing it.
>

The broadcasters probably didn't know because no-one has been to site
lately and found the envelope containing the notification stuck in the
compound gate! (Oh yes they do - found many in my time working out of
Emley!)

On 14/01/2024 15:59, Mark Carver wrote:
> Is Torosay a 'proper' Main Station ?  I've never been sure. It has a
> smaller audience than many relays, that don't have gennys.
>
> Of course the genny may not have started up, and perhaps someone did
> attend, and it's not a quick fix. Hense the BBC/Arqiva using the term
> 'Fault' rather than 'DNO Maintenance', anyway, it should come back on
> about now  ?

It was always an oddity from when it first came on. Sometimes described
as a 'relay' and sometimes a 'main station.

It has had a diesel since first had digital.

Probably not able to get to Oban in time for the first Oban ferry so
should possibly be on the Lochaline ferry.

On 14/01/2024 16:04, Woody wrote:
> The broadcasters probably didn't know because no-one has been to site
> lately and found the envelope containing the notification stuck in the
> compound gate! (Oh yes they do - found many in my time working out of
> Emley!)

Ditto, happened many times!

On 14/01/2024 16:04, Woody wrote:
> On Sun 14/01/2024 15:25, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 14/01/2024 14:55, JMB99 wrote:
>>> Lost Freeview this morning, I was using the TV for something else so
>>> it was difficult to check what was happening
>>>
>>> Not showing as off on the various website but ukfree.tv is showing at
>>> least seven dependents of Torosay going off at 10:09 this morning no
>>> mention of the parent station being off.
>>>
>>> Surely even Arquiva would notice seven relays going off at the same
>>> time?
>>>
>>> I can remember at least twenty years ago we told that 'artificial
>>> intelligence' would notice multiple relay stations going off at the
>>> same time!
>>
>> FFS, use the BBC's own reception checker, not bloody UK Free, it shows
>> Torosay itself off the air (owing to a 'fault' since 10:09 this
>> morning) So it's no surprise its relays are also off.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/problems-freeview-reception/#/Freeview/PA65%206AY/Torosay
>>
>> If you bother to look at the SSE fault logger, it states a planned
>> power cut today between 10:00 and 16:00 hrs (Work Ref 22131 Post Code
>> PA65)
>>
>> So, nothing to get worried about, perhaps if anyone is at fault, it's
>> the broadcasters for not announcing it.
>>
>
> The broadcasters probably didn't know because no-one has been to site
> lately and found the envelope containing the notification stuck in the
> compound gate! (Oh yes they do - found many in my time working out of
> Emley!)
>
There's an old story that the BBC's Fareham transmitter fell off the
air, an engineer turned up, to discover scores of final demand
electricity bills stuffed into gaps around the steel front door, and no
supply present.

On 14/01/2024 16:16, Mark Carver wrote:
> There's an old story that the BBC's Fareham transmitter fell off the
> air, an engineer turned up, to discover scores of final demand
> electricity bills stuffed into gaps around the steel front door, and no
> supply present.

Does not surprise me!

Back on now.

On 14/01/2024 16:01, JMB99 wrote:
> On 14/01/2024 15:25, Mark Carver wrote:
>> If you bother to look at the SSE fault logger, it states a planned
>> power cut today between 10:00 and 16:00 hrs (Work Ref 22131 Post Code
>> PA65)
>
>
>
> Very unusual to have planned work on a Sunday?
>
>
It's one of five on the logger, the other four are down here in Southern
England.

I suspect its to avoid interrupting business activity (Clearly they
don't regard broadcasting to be that important !)

On 14/01/2024 16:19, Mark Carver wrote:
> It's one of five on the logger, the other four are down here in Southern
> England.
>
> I suspect its to avoid interrupting business activity (Clearly they
> don't regard broadcasting to be that important !)

And they know the TV sites will not be affected because they have a
diesel maintained supply .......... ooops!

Well that only proves they can't spell.

I guess it depends on how these relays get their signals. If its a special
feed, then I'm not surprised they all went off, but it could be the link is
still working, just that the content has gone. Brian

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"Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun 14/01/2024 14:55, JMB99 wrote:
>> Lost Freeview this morning, I was using the TV for something else so it
>> was difficult to check what was happening
>>
>> Not showing as off on the various website but ukfree.tv is showing at
>> least seven dependents of Torosay going off at 10:09 this morning no
>> mention of the parent station being off.
>>
>> Surely even Arquiva would notice seven relays going off at the same time?
>>
>> I can remember at least twenty years ago we told that 'artificial
>> intelligence' would notice multiple relay stations going off at the same
>> time!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!

No, one would have thought thereshould be a billing address other than the
unmanned premises.
Brian

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"JMB99" <mb@nospam.net> wrote in message news:uo11et$goje$1@dont-email.me...
> On 14/01/2024 16:16, Mark Carver wrote:
>> There's an old story that the BBC's Fareham transmitter fell off the air,
>> an engineer turned up, to discover scores of final demand electricity
>> bills stuffed into gaps around the steel front door, and no supply
>> present.
>
>
>
> Does not surprise me!
>
>
> Back on now.
>
>

On Sunday 14 January 2024 at 15:00:25 UTC, Woody wrote:

> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!
Actually it's against the law to not put a 'U' after a 'Q'.
Bill

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 13:32:03 -0800 (PST), "wrightsaerials@aol.com"
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

>On Sunday 14 January 2024 at 15:00:25 UTC, Woody wrote:
>
>> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!
>Actually it's against the law to not put a 'U' after a 'Q'.
>Bill

Unless it's an Australian airline, or an acronym, or both.

Rod.

On 20/01/2024 21:32, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> On Sunday 14 January 2024 at 15:00:25 UTC, Woody wrote:
>
>> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!
> Actually it's against the law to not put a 'U' after a 'Q'.
> Bill

Are any such words allowed in Scrabble?

--
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In message <uoivm6$5ls7$1@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes
>On 20/01/2024 21:32, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sunday 14 January 2024 at 15:00:25 UTC, Woody wrote:
>>
>>> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!
>> Actually it's against the law to not put a 'U' after a 'Q'.
>> Bill
>
>Are any such words allowed in Scrabble?
>

My Concise Oxford gives "qibla", which it says is a variant spelling of
"kiblah". I was too lazy to look up what "kiblah" means.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On 21/01/2024 08:29, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> Unless it's an Australian airline, or an acronym, or both.

I don't think it is either. Fashionable now to make up make up a
completely meaningless name.

On 21/01/2024 17:20, JMB99 wrote:
> On 21/01/2024 08:29, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> Unless it's an Australian airline, or an acronym, or both.
>
>
> I don't think it is either. Fashionable now to make up make up a
> completely meaningless name.
>
>
>
Queensland
And
Northern
Territory
Air
Service

In article <uojjoo$8of9$1@dont-email.me>,
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 21/01/2024 08:29, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> > Unless it's an Australian airline, or an acronym, or both.

> I don't think it is either. Fashionable now to make up make up a
> completely meaningless name.

Then nobody can accuse you of "name theft". I can remember Granada TV
taking Ford to court because Ford used the name Granada for a car.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:40:17 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <uoivm6$5ls7$1@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
><max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes
>>On 20/01/2024 21:32, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday 14 January 2024 at 15:00:25 UTC, Woody wrote:
>>>
>>>> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!
>>> Actually it's against the law to not put a 'U' after a 'Q'.
>>> Bill
>>
>>Are any such words allowed in Scrabble?
>>
>
>My Concise Oxford gives "qibla", which it says is a variant spelling of
>"kiblah". I was too lazy to look up what "kiblah" means.

kiblah

Also kebl, kebla, keblah, kebleh, kibla, kiblé, qibla(h.

[Arab. qiblah, that which is placed opposite, f. qabala to be
opposite.]

a. The point (the temple at Mecca) to which Muslims turn at prayer.

For a short period in the early history of Islam the kiblah was at
Jerusalem.

b. A niche in a Muslim building on the side towards Mecca.

Rod.

In message <kcfsqi914ir7cstm4083usm4a76gb8ovp9@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
>On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:40:17 +0000, John Hall
><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <uoivm6$5ls7$1@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
>><max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes
>>>On 20/01/2024 21:32, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Sunday 14 January 2024 at 15:00:25 UTC, Woody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Er, Arqiva - there's no U in it!
>>>> Actually it's against the law to not put a 'U' after a 'Q'.
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>>Are any such words allowed in Scrabble?
>>>
>>
>>My Concise Oxford gives "qibla", which it says is a variant spelling of
>>"kiblah". I was too lazy to look up what "kiblah" means.
>
>kiblah
>
>Also kebl, kebla, keblah, kebleh, kibla, kiblé, qibla(h.
>
>[Arab. qiblah, that which is placed opposite, f. qabala to be
>opposite.]
>
>a. The point (the temple at Mecca) to which Muslims turn at prayer.
>
>For a short period in the early history of Islam the kiblah was at
>Jerusalem.
>
>b. A niche in a Muslim building on the side towards Mecca.
>
>Rod.

Thanks. That feels like something I ought to know. I'd no idea that
early on for a short while Jerusalem was the holiest place (which I
assume that implies) for Muslims.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)