We do not know what is going in Nottingham apart from it being very
serious but many are asking why the Emergency Alert System was not used
if it was so serious.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:33:02 +0100
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

> We do not know what is going in Nottingham apart from it being very
> serious but many are asking why the Emergency Alert System was not
> used if it was so serious.
>
>

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-nottinghamshire-65888114

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On 13/06/2023 09:44, Martin Nicholas wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-nottinghamshire-65888114

It all started early in the morning, several in the area have commented
that they did not receive an Alert.

MB wrote:

> We do not know what is going in Nottingham apart from it being very
> serious but many are asking why the Emergency Alert System was not used
> if it was so serious.

That's why I turn alerts off on my phone, I don't need to be woken at
4am because of some criminal gang related murder by transit van.

Unfortunately I was woken twice by the bowls club alarm going off around
3am, which it always does overnight following hot days.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:53:19 +0100
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

> On 13/06/2023 09:44, Martin Nicholas wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-nottinghamshire-65888114
> >
>
>
> It all started early in the morning, several in the area have
> commented that they did not receive an Alert.
>
>

Doesn't seem to be any reason to issue an alert, since no action was
required. It's not a local news service after all.

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On 13/06/2023 10:09, Martin Nicholas wrote:
> Doesn't seem to be any reason to issue an alert, since no action was
> required. It's not a local news service after all.

Luckily seems one person responsible but if there were others, it could
have been worth telling people in the immediate area to remain indoors
with doors locked.

It would also show that the system could be of use.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 12:12:02 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 13/06/2023 10:09, Martin Nicholas wrote:
>> Doesn't seem to be any reason to issue an alert, since no action was
>> required. It's not a local news service after all.
>
>
>Luckily seems one person responsible but if there were others, it could
>have been worth telling people in the immediate area to remain indoors
>with doors locked.
>
>It would also show that the system could be of use.
>
How targeted can these alerts be?

Scott wrote:

> How targeted can these alerts be?

Probably down to the individual cell, maybe even the sector of a cell?

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:17:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>
>> How targeted can these alerts be?
>
>Probably down to the individual cell, maybe even the sector of a cell?

But how would this be set up, supposing the cops wanted to issue a
warning to a part of Nottingham but not all of Nottingham? Clearly,
identifying individual cells would take a very long time. I was
wondering if there are preset areas to choose from, or if it could be
done by postcode or by drawing a line on the map. In an imminent
emergency the time available would be very limited.

On 13/06/2023 14:17, Andy Burns wrote:
> Probably down to the individual cell, maybe even the sector of a cell?

I would have though that initially it would be a crude selection by
postcodes or drawing a line around an area on a computer screen.

They can make a more precise selection later if wanted.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 10:05:21 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>MB wrote:
>
>> We do not know what is going in Nottingham apart from it being very
>> serious but many are asking why the Emergency Alert System was not used
>> if it was so serious.
>
>That's why I turn alerts off on my phone, I don't need to be woken at
>4am because of some criminal gang related murder by transit van.

But what if it was a Hungerford style massacre where some crazy was
running amok in your neighbourhood shooting at anything in sight, and
firing through people's windows? I'd certainly prefer to receive a
warning about it before I inadvertently stepped outside.

Chris

On 13/06/2023 15:46, Chris in Makati wrote:
> But what if it was a Hungerford style massacre where some crazy was
> running amok in your neighbourhood shooting at anything in sight, and
> firing through people's windows? I'd certainly prefer to receive a
> warning about it before I inadvertently stepped outside.

If only the idiot in charge of the local police had accept assistance
from the Met firearms teams that was only a few miles away!

Chris in Makati wrote:

> what if it was a Hungerford style massacre where some crazy was
> running amok in your neighbourhood shooting at anything in sight, and
> firing through people's windows? I'd certainly prefer to receive a
> warning about it before I inadvertently stepped outside.

Not sure I'd expect the police to figure out the situation and
decide/organize an alert before the gunman had blown their own head off ...

On 13/06/2023 17:35, Andy Burns wrote:
> Not sure I'd expect the police to figure out the situation and
> decide/organize an alert before the gunman had blown their own head off ...

It was more a case of the local senior officer hating the Met and
apparently threatening the removal of people's dangly bits if they let
the Met into his area.

On 13/06/2023 20:37, MB wrote:
> On 13/06/2023 17:35, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Not sure I'd expect the police to figure out the situation and
>> decide/organize an alert before the gunman had blown their own head
>> off ...
>
>
> It was more a case of the local senior officer hating the Met and
> apparently threatening the removal of people's dangly bits if they let
> the Met into his area.
>
>
What happened in Hungerford 1987, has no relevance to Andy's point
(which was relating to yesterday's events in Nottingham, in a thread and
topic YOU started !)

On 14/06/2023 07:59, Mark Carver wrote:
> What happened in Hungerford 1987, has no relevance to Andy's point
> (which was relating to yesterday's events in Nottingham, in a thread and
> topic YOU started !)

I replied to someone else's comment about Hungerford.

Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 10:05:21 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >MB wrote:
> >
> >> We do not know what is going in Nottingham apart from it being very
> >> serious but many are asking why the Emergency Alert System was not used
> >> if it was so serious.
> >
> >That's why I turn alerts off on my phone, I don't need to be woken at
> >4am because of some criminal gang related murder by transit van.
>
> But what if it was a Hungerford style massacre where some crazy was
> running amok in your neighbourhood shooting at anything in sight, and
> firing through people's windows? I'd certainly prefer to receive a
> warning about it before I inadvertently stepped outside.

One sensitivity in that kind of situation is that the individual in question
will also receive the message, and it's desirable that they don't react in a
way that is harmful to others. Whereas a poison gas leak or an incoming
munition aren't bothered if everybody knows about them.

Theo

On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 09:33:05 UTC+1, MB wrote:
> We do not know what is going in Nottingham apart from it being very
> serious but many are asking why the Emergency Alert System was not used
> if it was so serious.

Remember if the criminal has a phone he will see these too.

On 13 Jun 2023 09:33, MB wrote:
> We do not know what is going in Nottingham apart from it being very
> serious but many are asking why the Emergency Alert System was not used
> if it was so serious.

Firstly, the test indicated that there was still work to be done before
the system can be relied upon.

Secondly, the system must be used sparingly, where the alert will save
lives.

Thirdly, it isn't whether or no something is serious it is whether or
not an alert make sense. Clearly not in this case from an early point
in the incident