On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 03:17:04 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 17:29:30 +0000, Mark Goodge
>> <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:21:04 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Marland" <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:jseuqsFpkdfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> DBDD does apply to causing the Death of a an occupant of the vehicle.
>>>>> An occupant can also be charged if something they have done causes a
>>>>> death,
>>>>> eg playing silly buggers and grabbing the wheel or putting their hands
>>>>> over
>>>>> the drivers eyes.
>>>>
>>>> Or yanking on the handbrake which will cause a rear-wheel skid. I read years
>>>> ago of a case where a passenger thought the driver was going too fast so she
>>>> pulled hard on the handbrake, causing the rear wheels to lock and making the
>>>> car go irretrievably out of control - the driver was too busy trying to
>>>> counter-steer into the skid to have a free hand to release the handbrake.
>>>> She was charged with something serious - not sure what since I don't think
>>>> anyone was killed. I remember it involved points on her licence (even though
>>>> she wasn't driving) which was an interesting ramification.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that there doesn't seem to have been any newspaper update since
>>>> early September on the Park Royal crash (eg state of driver, whether he had
>>>> been charged). I wondered whether things had gone sub judice.
>>>
>>> Mostly just the media getting bored with the story, I expect.
>>>
>> A lot of stuff goes quiet until a trial commences or just seems to
>> disappear if there is nothing special to report later (e.g. a
>> spectacular crash producing no significant injury or serious charges).
>>
>
>Surely manslaughter is a significant charge?
>
Yes in the Park Royal case but I was addressing the more general stuff
where the eventual court case doesn't provide any interesting
reporting. Nothing seems to have been reported about the PR driver
since he was reported as being in critical condition and in a
medically-induced coma just under two months ago. It seems likely that
one way or another he is still unfit to be charged.

"Charles Ellson" <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:s5c6mht6svpvmgcqufj2l2ujq6l0tpvmc0@4ax.com...
> A lot of stuff goes quiet until a trial commences or just seems to
> disappear if there is nothing special to report later (e.g. a
> spectacular crash producing no significant injury or serious charges).

There was a murder in a village near me earlier this year: it hit the
national news briefly and was in the local news for longer, since the victim
was an elderly lady murdered in her own home. A suspect was arrested almost
immediately and in due course he was charged and made an initial appearance
in court, with further appearances scheduled and even an estimate given for
a full murder trial. But since that first brief court appearance, there has
been nothing in the news. Even if he'd pleaded guilty or been found unfit to
stand trial, that news at least would have been reported.

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 03:17:04 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 17:29:30 +0000, Mark Goodge
>>> <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:21:04 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Marland" <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jseuqsFpkdfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> DBDD does apply to causing the Death of a an occupant of the vehicle.
>>>>>> An occupant can also be charged if something they have done causes a
>>>>>> death,
>>>>>> eg playing silly buggers and grabbing the wheel or putting their hands
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> the drivers eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or yanking on the handbrake which will cause a rear-wheel skid. I read years
>>>>> ago of a case where a passenger thought the driver was going too fast so she
>>>>> pulled hard on the handbrake, causing the rear wheels to lock and making the
>>>>> car go irretrievably out of control - the driver was too busy trying to
>>>>> counter-steer into the skid to have a free hand to release the handbrake.
>>>>> She was charged with something serious - not sure what since I don't think
>>>>> anyone was killed. I remember it involved points on her licence (even though
>>>>> she wasn't driving) which was an interesting ramification.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that there doesn't seem to have been any newspaper update since
>>>>> early September on the Park Royal crash (eg state of driver, whether he had
>>>>> been charged). I wondered whether things had gone sub judice.
>>>>
>>>> Mostly just the media getting bored with the story, I expect.
>>>>
>>> A lot of stuff goes quiet until a trial commences or just seems to
>>> disappear if there is nothing special to report later (e.g. a
>>> spectacular crash producing no significant injury or serious charges).
>>>
>>
>> Surely manslaughter is a significant charge?
>>
> Yes in the Park Royal case but I was addressing the more general stuff
> where the eventual court case doesn't provide any interesting
> reporting. Nothing seems to have been reported about the PR driver
> since he was reported as being in critical condition and in a
> medically-induced coma just under two months ago. It seems likely that
> one way or another he is still unfit to be charged.
>

As I said, the BBC reported that he was discharged from hospital last
month, and charged with manslaughter this week, and then released on bail.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 09:59:55 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 03:17:04 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 17:29:30 +0000, Mark Goodge
>>>> <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:21:04 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Marland" <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:jseuqsFpkdfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> DBDD does apply to causing the Death of a an occupant of the vehicle.
>>>>>>> An occupant can also be charged if something they have done causes a
>>>>>>> death,
>>>>>>> eg playing silly buggers and grabbing the wheel or putting their hands
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> the drivers eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or yanking on the handbrake which will cause a rear-wheel skid. I read years
>>>>>> ago of a case where a passenger thought the driver was going too fast so she
>>>>>> pulled hard on the handbrake, causing the rear wheels to lock and making the
>>>>>> car go irretrievably out of control - the driver was too busy trying to
>>>>>> counter-steer into the skid to have a free hand to release the handbrake.
>>>>>> She was charged with something serious - not sure what since I don't think
>>>>>> anyone was killed. I remember it involved points on her licence (even though
>>>>>> she wasn't driving) which was an interesting ramification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that there doesn't seem to have been any newspaper update since
>>>>>> early September on the Park Royal crash (eg state of driver, whether he had
>>>>>> been charged). I wondered whether things had gone sub judice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly just the media getting bored with the story, I expect.
>>>>>
>>>> A lot of stuff goes quiet until a trial commences or just seems to
>>>> disappear if there is nothing special to report later (e.g. a
>>>> spectacular crash producing no significant injury or serious charges).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Surely manslaughter is a significant charge?
>>>
>> Yes in the Park Royal case but I was addressing the more general stuff
>> where the eventual court case doesn't provide any interesting
>> reporting. Nothing seems to have been reported about the PR driver
>> since he was reported as being in critical condition and in a
>> medically-induced coma just under two months ago. It seems likely that
>> one way or another he is still unfit to be charged.
>>
>
>As I said, the BBC reported that he was discharged from hospital last
>month, and charged with manslaughter this week, and then released on bail.
>
Have you got a link? I have poked Google with various details and
found nothing fresher than the above.

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 09:59:55 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 03:17:04 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 17:29:30 +0000, Mark Goodge
>>>>> <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 11:21:04 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Marland" <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:jseuqsFpkdfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> DBDD does apply to causing the Death of a an occupant of the vehicle.
>>>>>>>> An occupant can also be charged if something they have done causes a
>>>>>>>> death,
>>>>>>>> eg playing silly buggers and grabbing the wheel or putting their hands
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> the drivers eyes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or yanking on the handbrake which will cause a rear-wheel skid. I read years
>>>>>>> ago of a case where a passenger thought the driver was going too fast so she
>>>>>>> pulled hard on the handbrake, causing the rear wheels to lock and making the
>>>>>>> car go irretrievably out of control - the driver was too busy trying to
>>>>>>> counter-steer into the skid to have a free hand to release the handbrake.
>>>>>>> She was charged with something serious - not sure what since I don't think
>>>>>>> anyone was killed. I remember it involved points on her licence (even though
>>>>>>> she wasn't driving) which was an interesting ramification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting that there doesn't seem to have been any newspaper update since
>>>>>>> early September on the Park Royal crash (eg state of driver, whether he had
>>>>>>> been charged). I wondered whether things had gone sub judice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly just the media getting bored with the story, I expect.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of stuff goes quiet until a trial commences or just seems to
>>>>> disappear if there is nothing special to report later (e.g. a
>>>>> spectacular crash producing no significant injury or serious charges).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Surely manslaughter is a significant charge?
>>>>
>>> Yes in the Park Royal case but I was addressing the more general stuff
>>> where the eventual court case doesn't provide any interesting
>>> reporting. Nothing seems to have been reported about the PR driver
>>> since he was reported as being in critical condition and in a
>>> medically-induced coma just under two months ago. It seems likely that
>>> one way or another he is still unfit to be charged.
>>>
>>
>> As I said, the BBC reported that he was discharged from hospital last
>> month, and charged with manslaughter this week, and then released on bail.
>>
> Have you got a link? I have poked Google with various details and
> found nothing fresher than the above.
>

Follow the thread: I can't find any confirmation in print. That's what
we've been discussing. But I'm sure you can find the local news report of
it on iPlayer.