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by: Scott - Thu, 27 Apr 2023 19:00 UTC

I have borrowed a mobile phone after eight days without. I expected
to receive all my undelivered SMS messages, but none arrived. As far
as I can see, they are deleted after a period of time if they cannot
be delivered. Is this correct, or is there a way to recover them?

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From: david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid (David Woolley)
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by: David Woolley - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 00:03 UTC

On 27/04/2023 20:00, Scott wrote:
> I have borrowed a mobile phone after eight days without. I expected
> to receive all my undelivered SMS messages, but none arrived. As far
> as I can see, they are deleted after a period of time if they cannot
> be delivered. Is this correct, or is there a way to recover them?

I believe it is customisable when you send the SMS, probably with a
maximum of 72 hours. The most popular default seems to be 48 hours. I
suspect networks can set their own upper limits.

On further research it can be set up to 63 weeks, or you can specify an
absolute time. One suspects that few networks will honour 63 weeks. See
section 9.2.3.12 of
<https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_gts/03/0340/05.03.00_60/gsmts_0340v050300p.pdf>.

I think I once had a phone that could set this.

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Subject: Re: Undelivered text messages
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by: Scott - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:26 UTC

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 01:03:25 +0100, David Woolley
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:

>On 27/04/2023 20:00, Scott wrote:
>> I have borrowed a mobile phone after eight days without. I expected
>> to receive all my undelivered SMS messages, but none arrived. As far
>> as I can see, they are deleted after a period of time if they cannot
>> be delivered. Is this correct, or is there a way to recover them?
>
>I believe it is customisable when you send the SMS, probably with a
>maximum of 72 hours. The most popular default seems to be 48 hours. I
>suspect networks can set their own upper limits.
>
>On further research it can be set up to 63 weeks, or you can specify an
>absolute time. One suspects that few networks will honour 63 weeks. See
>section 9.2.3.12 of
><https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_gts/03/0340/05.03.00_60/gsmts_0340v050300p.pdf>.
>
>I think I once had a phone that could set this.

Thanks, but I am asking about incoming messages. Obviously, there are
no sent messages as I did not have a phone.

Do you think there is a way to download some or all of the text
messages I missed during the time I had no phone?

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From: mark.carver@invalid.invalid (Mark Carver)
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Subject: Re: Undelivered text messages
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by: Mark Carver - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:36 UTC

On 28/04/2023 09:26, Scott wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 01:03:25 +0100, David Woolley
> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 27/04/2023 20:00, Scott wrote:
>>> I have borrowed a mobile phone after eight days without. I expected
>>> to receive all my undelivered SMS messages, but none arrived. As far
>>> as I can see, they are deleted after a period of time if they cannot
>>> be delivered. Is this correct, or is there a way to recover them?
>> I believe it is customisable when you send the SMS, probably with a
>> maximum of 72 hours. The most popular default seems to be 48 hours. I
>> suspect networks can set their own upper limits.
>>
>> On further research it can be set up to 63 weeks, or you can specify an
>> absolute time. One suspects that few networks will honour 63 weeks. See
>> section 9.2.3.12 of
>> <https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_gts/03/0340/05.03.00_60/gsmts_0340v050300p.pdf>.
>>
>> I think I once had a phone that could set this.
> Thanks, but I am asking about incoming messages. Obviously, there are
> no sent messages as I did not have a phone.
>
> Do you think there is a way to download some or all of the text
> messages I missed during the time I had no phone?
No, they will have been deleted from sending networks' SMS servers after
72 hours. Otherwise the networks will end up with their servers clogged
up with un delivered messages

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From: nix@genie.co.uk (Nick Finnigan)
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Subject: Re: Undelivered text messages
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by: Nick Finnigan - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 09:30 UTC

On 28/04/2023 09:36, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 28/04/2023 09:26, Scott wrote:
>>
>> Do you think there is a way to download some or all of the text
>> messages I missed during the time I had no phone?
> No, they will have been deleted from sending networks' SMS servers after 72
> hours. Otherwise the networks will end up with their servers clogged up
> with un delivered messages

The Data Retention Regulations seem to require them to keep information
for 12 months anyway.

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From: newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk (Scott)
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Subject: Re: Undelivered text messages
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by: Scott - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:19 UTC

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:30:25 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 28/04/2023 09:36, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 28/04/2023 09:26, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you think there is a way to download some or all of the text
>>> messages I missed during the time I had no phone?
>> No, they will have been deleted from sending networks' SMS servers after 72
>> hours. Otherwise the networks will end up with their servers clogged up
>> with un delivered messages
>
> The Data Retention Regulations seem to require them to keep information
>for 12 months anyway.

Could this be solely to comply with court orders though?

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From: mark.carver@invalid.invalid (Mark Carver)
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by: Mark Carver - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:42 UTC

On 28/04/2023 11:19, Scott wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:30:25 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/04/2023 09:36, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2023 09:26, Scott wrote:
>>>> Do you think there is a way to download some or all of the text
>>>> messages I missed during the time I had no phone?
>>> No, they will have been deleted from sending networks' SMS servers after 72
>>> hours. Otherwise the networks will end up with their servers clogged up
>>> with un delivered messages
>> The Data Retention Regulations seem to require them to keep information
>> for 12 months anyway.
> Could this be solely to comply with court orders though?
Your messages are effectively toast, unless you've got lots of time on
your hands to try and retrieve them

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by: Scott - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 11:10 UTC

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 11:42:06 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 28/04/2023 11:19, Scott wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:30:25 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/04/2023 09:36, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> On 28/04/2023 09:26, Scott wrote:
>>>>> Do you think there is a way to download some or all of the text
>>>>> messages I missed during the time I had no phone?
>>>> No, they will have been deleted from sending networks' SMS servers after 72
>>>> hours. Otherwise the networks will end up with their servers clogged up
>>>> with un delivered messages
>>> The Data Retention Regulations seem to require them to keep information
>>> for 12 months anyway.
>> Could this be solely to comply with court orders though?
>Your messages are effectively toast, unless you've got lots of time on
>your hands to try and retrieve them

Thanks - effectively my conclusion also.

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aus+uk / uk.telecom.mobile / Undelivered text messages

Subject	Author
Undelivered text messages	Scott
Undelivered text messages	David Woolley
Undelivered text messages	Scott
Undelivered text messages	Mark Carver
Undelivered text messages	Nick Finnigan
Undelivered text messages	Scott
Undelivered text messages	Mark Carver
Undelivered text messages	Scott