Folks,

Is the network port on the ONT a full spec 1000baseT (I hope I have that
right)? I ask because for historic reasons my current master socket,
VDSL router and network switch is on the first floor. Openreach will
only fit the ONT on the ground floor, so I was wondering if I could just
run a cat5e or cat6 cable from the ONT to the router?

Dave
G4UGM

On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 12:00:10 +0100, David Wade wrote:

> Is the network port on the ONT a full spec 1000baseT (I hope I have that
> right)?

My router is indicating that mine is.

> Openreach will
> only fit the ONT on the ground floor, so I was wondering if I could just
> run a cat5e or cat6 cable from the ONT to the router?

Hmm. Mine is fitted on the first floor.

On 05/06/2023 12:21, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 12:00:10 +0100, David Wade wrote:
>
>> Is the network port on the ONT a full spec 1000baseT (I hope I have that
>> right)?
>
> My router is indicating that mine is.

I expect it is....

>
>> Openreach will
>> only fit the ONT on the ground floor, so I was wondering if I could just
>> run a cat5e or cat6 cable from the ONT to the router?
>
> Hmm. Mine is fitted on the first floor.
>

... well that is what all the FAQs say but as my house is currently fed
by a drop cable from a pole so he will need to climb a ladder, and there
is a solid canopy across the front, so getting the fibre from the there
to the ground floor won't be straight forward, it would make sense to
run it next to the existing phone wire into the first floor, so we will
see what happens.

Dave

On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:59:36 +0100
David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:

> it would make sense .....

Well, that guarantees it won't happen, then.

--
Davey.

On 05/06/2023 22:54, Davey wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:59:36 +0100
> David Wade<g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
>
>> it would make sense .....
> Well, that guarantees it won't happen, then.

.... sadly, so true in the modern world....

>
> -- Davey.

Dave

On 06/06/2023 08:56, David Wade wrote:
> On 05/06/2023 22:54, Davey wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:59:36 +0100
>> David Wade<g4ugm@dave.invalid>  wrote:
>>
>>>   it would make sense .....
>> Well, that guarantees it won't happen, then.
>
> ... sadly, so true in the modern world....
>
>>
>> -- Davey.
>
>
> Dave

Just to confirm. It was fitted today by a Kelly engineer who expected to
remove the existing POTS line and VDSL which was not what I ordered.
Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level. He could have run the
fibre back up buy he refused.

Currently using double NAT with Draytek router plugged into Zen
Fritzbox! and set to be destination for all in-bound calls.

I now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are
Zen or Vopifone. Looks like Voipfone has more options, and would let me
receive landline calls on an app while travelling, something Zen does
not offer...

Dave

David Wade wrote:

> Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
> drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.

That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
working at heights).

> now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are Zen or Vopifone.

voipfone works well for me.

David Wade wrote:

[snip]

>
> I now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are
> Zen or Vopifone. Looks like Voipfone has more options, and would let me
> receive landline calls on an app while travelling, something Zen does
> not offer...

I use Voipfone - they are very good.

Their management website allows call diversion to any other number
including mobiles. You don't need any app on the mobile.

However an app exists which gives access to the management website and
provides a simple mechanism to enable diversion to a nominated number
including the mobile itself.

In principle it can be automated, either by the mobile going out of
range of your LAN's WiFi, or using GPS to establish when the mobile
moves away from your home location. But at present the app does not
successfully provide this automation on an Android phone - they know
there is a problem with it and are rewriting the app. Hopefully it will
be ready soon.

--
Graham J

On 6 Jun 2023 20:46, Andy Burns wrote:
> David Wade wrote:
>
>> Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
>> drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.
>
> That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
> working at heights).

Yes, the CSP has to be down below, unless there is a good reason
otherwise. But, of course, the fibre from it to the ONT can be almost
anywhere within reason but, in reality, the engineer won't want to do
another piece of ladder work nor do too much clipping.

On 07/06/2023 11:22, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2023 20:46, Andy Burns wrote:
>> David Wade wrote:
>>
>>> Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
>>> drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.
>> That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
>> working at heights).
> Yes, the CSP has to be down below, unless there is a good reason
> otherwise.

I've seen reports in various forums, that some have persuaded Openreach
(or their contractors) to place the CSP inside the loft space, where the
loft space is 'lit and boarded', but it very much depends on the mood on
the day !

On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 11:28:50 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

> On 07/06/2023 11:22, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>> On 6 Jun 2023 20:46, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> David Wade wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box
>>>> between drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.
>>> That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to
>>> need working at heights).
>> Yes, the CSP has to be down below, unless there is a good reason
>> otherwise.
>
> I've seen reports in various forums, that some have persuaded Openreach
> (or their contractors) to place the CSP inside the loft space, where the
> loft space is 'lit and boarded', but it very much depends on the mood on
> the day !

I didn't even get a CSP. The incoming overhead fibre goes through the wall
at first floor level, and into a tiny splice box. Then about 70cm of
indoor fibre to the ONT.

No idea how I got away with that. He was initially going to run it down to
the CSP near the ground, then up again (he'd done that for a first floor
flat across the road a few days previously).

On Tuesday, 6 June 2023 at 20:46:53 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
> David Wade wrote:
>
> > Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
> > drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.
> That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
> working at heights).

They can sometimes be persuaded, cash obviously...

> > now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are Zen or Vopifone.
> voipfone works well for me.

On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at 08:38:29 UTC+1, Graham J wrote:
> David Wade wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >
> > I now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are
> > Zen or Vopifone. Looks like Voipfone has more options, and would let me
> > receive landline calls on an app while travelling, something Zen does
> > not offer...
> I use Voipfone - they are very good.
>
> Their management website allows call diversion to any other number
> including mobiles. You don't need any app on the mobile.

Chargeable at normal rates, except to other Voipfone numbers.
Voicemail is forwarded free to email.
Many phones support VoIP native, although very annoyingly Android 12 & 13 removed SIP support, however Voipfone's own app is very good and there is Zoiper for multiple accounts (~£5 for an unslugged version).

>
> However an app exists which gives access to the management website and
> provides a simple mechanism to enable diversion to a nominated number
> including the mobile itself.

Or just log in on the web,

>
> In principle it can be automated, either by the mobile going out of
> range of your LAN's WiFi, or using GPS to establish when the mobile
> moves away from your home location. But at present the app does not
> successfully provide this automation on an Android phone - they know
> there is a problem with it and are rewriting the app. Hopefully it will
> be ready soon.
>

I thought the point of putting VoIP in the mobile is that the land-line number can be answered anywhere there is internet. I only want it to go to voicemail if the phone goes out of coverage, I am on another call or I choose that.

Connection is maintained over Wi-Fi or 3/4/5G and will switch, but not hand off between them. Automation is good on Voipfone's own app' (released 2016), but Zoiper relies on "push". Native on Samsung Galaxy S8 or S9 VoIP is fine.

>
> --
> Graham J