My Son in law was asking if I’d recommend Zen Fibre for broadband. My
comment was “Yes, but they’re significantly more expensive than most of the
alternatives”. Well it turns out that at his address that’s not the case.
He has access to City Fibre whereas we have OpenReach.

For a 100Mbps service he’d pay £28, I’d pay £35. Will Zen negotiate or
should I move house? ;-)

Tim

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Tim+ wrote:
>
> My Son in law was asking if I’d recommend Zen Fibre for broadband. My
> comment was “Yes, but they’re significantly more expensive than most of the
> alternatives”. Well it turns out that at his address that’s not the case.
> He has access to City Fibre whereas we have OpenReach.
>
> For a 100Mbps service he’d pay £28, I’d pay £35. Will Zen negotiate or
> should I move house? ;-)

Zen simply re-sell what is available from the infrastructure providers.
If Zen ask you for £35 they are re-selling the Openreach product.
That's probably the monopoly supplier, so you should move house.

You could try to negotiate - tell us how you get on.

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Graham J

On 18/06/2023 21:57, Graham J wrote:
> Zen simply re-sell what is available from the infrastructure providers.
> If Zen ask you for £35 they are re-selling the Openreach product. That's
> probably the monopoly supplier, so you should move house.

Not quite. Openreach provide the connection but at the other end you
will be connected to Zen and you get a Zen static IP and content
delivery equipment connected directly to Zen will deliver some of the
most traffic intense services to you.

For instance when I stream from YouTube on my Zen FTTC the IP addresses
of the servers that actually deliver the video to me have Zen IP addresses.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

Sorry got in a bit of a muddle in my last sentence!

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Brian Gregory (in England).

On Mon 19/06/2023 01:51, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 18/06/2023 21:57, Graham J wrote:
>> Zen simply re-sell what is available from the infrastructure
>> providers. If Zen ask you for £35 they are re-selling the Openreach
>> product. That's probably the monopoly supplier, so you should move house.
>
> Not quite. Openreach provide the connection but at the other end you
> will be connected to Zen and you get a Zen static IP and content
> delivery equipment connected directly to Zen will deliver some of the
> most traffic intense services to you.
>
> For instance when I stream from YouTube on my Zen FTTC the IP addresses
> of the servers that actually deliver the video to me have Zen IP addresses.
>

Beg to differ. Zen through CityFibre (as indeed most on CF) supply
broadband only, no mail or other facilities although I think you still
get a static address.

On 19/06/2023 09:05, Woody wrote:
> On Mon 19/06/2023 01:51, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 18/06/2023 21:57, Graham J wrote:
>>> Zen simply re-sell what is available from the infrastructure
>>> providers. If Zen ask you for £35 they are re-selling the Openreach
>>> product. That's probably the monopoly supplier, so you should move
>>> house.
>>
>> Not quite. Openreach provide the connection but at the other end you
>> will be connected to Zen and you get a Zen static IP and content
>> delivery equipment connected directly to Zen will deliver some of the
>> most traffic intense services to you.
>>
>> For instance when I stream from YouTube on my Zen FTTC the IP
>> addresses of the servers that actually deliver the video to me have
>> Zen IP addresses.
>>
>
> Beg to differ. Zen through CityFibre (as indeed most on CF) supply
> broadband only, no mail or other facilities although I think you still
> get a static address.

You don't get e-mail from ZEN with any new contracts, but you do get a
fixed IP....

Dave

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 12:07:48 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
wrote:

>
>You don't get e-mail from ZEN with any new contracts, but you do get a
>fixed IP....
>
And Zen will give you an IPv6 address FoC if you want one. (I asked
for one becase I could but have no idea what I could do with it. VPNs
I suppose. Anything else? I have enabled it on my router.)

On 19/06/2023 16:28, Peter Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 12:07:48 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> You don't get e-mail from ZEN with any new contracts, but you do get a
>> fixed IP....
>>
> And Zen will give you an IPv6 address FoC if you want one. (I asked
> for one becase I could but have no idea what I could do with it. VPNs
> I suppose. Anything else? I have enabled it on my router.)

Zen normally give you a /48 if you ask for IPv6 alongside your single
IPv4 address. That's a huge block of IPv6 addresses.

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Brian Gregory (in England).

On 19/06/2023 12:07, David Wade wrote:
> On 19/06/2023 09:05, Woody wrote:
>> On Mon 19/06/2023 01:51, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2023 21:57, Graham J wrote:
>>>> Zen simply re-sell what is available from the infrastructure
>>>> providers. If Zen ask you for £35 they are re-selling the Openreach
>>>> product. That's probably the monopoly supplier, so you should move
>>>> house.
>>>
>>> Not quite. Openreach provide the connection but at the other end you
>>> will be connected to Zen and you get a Zen static IP and content
>>> delivery equipment connected directly to Zen will deliver some of the
>>> most traffic intense services to you.
>>>
>>> For instance when I stream from YouTube on my Zen FTTC the IP
>>> addresses of the servers that actually deliver the video to me have
>>> Zen IP addresses.
>>>
>>
>> Beg to differ. Zen through CityFibre (as indeed most on CF) supply
>> broadband only, no mail or other facilities although I think you still
>> get a static address.
>
> You don't get e-mail from ZEN with any new contracts, but you do get a
> fixed IP....

Just to clarify, I understand that you don't get a *new* email account
with a new contract with Zen. However, if you have an old contract with
them which came with an email account at the time that email account
will continue if you sign a different contract with them.

--

Jeff

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 17:16:20 +0100, Brian Gregory
<void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:

>On 19/06/2023 16:28, Peter Johnson wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 12:07:48 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You don't get e-mail from ZEN with any new contracts, but you do get a
>>> fixed IP....
>>>
>> And Zen will give you an IPv6 address FoC if you want one. (I asked
>> for one becase I could but have no idea what I could do with it. VPNs
>> I suppose. Anything else? I have enabled it on my router.)
>
>Zen normally give you a /48 if you ask for IPv6 alongside your single
>IPv4 address. That's a huge block of IPv6 addresses.

This is what the covering email said:
The two IPv6 prefixes that are now assigned to your service are
described below, along with some helpful IPv6 information:
" /64 Neighbour Discovery (ND) Prefix. This is used to automatically
address the WAN interface of your Router, or if you are directly
connected without a router, the WAN interface of that device. This can
be configured using SLAAC.
" /48 Delegation Prefix. This is usually provided over DHCPv6, and
requires that your router acts as a requesting router for the purpose
of IPv6 delegation RFC3633 -(https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3633).
Subnets of this prefix are used by the CPE to address devices on the
LAN.
We also have an IPv6 enabled DNS Resolver (2a02:8010:1::212:23:3:100),
the IPv6 Address of this will be automatically advertised to routers
supporting RFC3646 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3646). It can also
be configured manually if required.