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* If not the nasty party, the party of nastiesCrash
`* Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nastiesGordon
 `* Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nastiesCrash
  +* Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nastiesRich80105
  |+- Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nastiesTony
  |`- Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nastiesCrash
  `- Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nastiesTony

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From: nogood@dontbother.invalid (Crash)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: If not the nasty party, the party of nasties
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 09:12:42 +1200
Organization: Agency News - Dunedin, New Zealand
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 by: Crash - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 21:12 UTC

Well, well,well:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350244539/senior-labour-mp-ordered-take-down-gross-social-media-posts

This from an MP who was a cabinet Minister in the last Labour
Government

--
Crash McBash

Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nasties

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From: Gordon@leaf.net.nz (Gordon)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nasties
Date: 14 Apr 2024 02:57:55 GMT
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 by: Gordon - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 02:57 UTC

On 2024-04-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
> Well, well,well:
>
> https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350244539/senior-labour-mp-ordered-take-down-gross-social-media-posts
>
> This from an MP who was a cabinet Minister in the last Labour
> Government
>
>
This has to be a case of where the boss/leader acted quickly and in a manner
fitting the occasion.

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From: nogood@dontbother.invalid (Crash)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nasties
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:22:20 +1200
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 by: Crash - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:22 UTC

On 14 Apr 2024 02:57:55 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

>On 2024-04-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
>> Well, well,well:
>>
>> https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350244539/senior-labour-mp-ordered-take-down-gross-social-media-posts
>>
>> This from an MP who was a cabinet Minister in the last Labour
>> Government
>>
>>
>This has to be a case of where the boss/leader acted quickly and in a manner
>fitting the occasion.

That's not the point. There is a senior member of the current Labour
caucus who thought his social media post was appropriate, and his
Leader thought that this was no more than a mistake fixed by deleting
it.

I would have thought that Hipkins might have thought this action
merits removal from the Labour Caucus. Perhaps Labour in opposition
think that this is simply the way the opposition is expected to behave
now. Perhaps Hipkins is demonstrating that he does not have what it
takes to get Labour back in government.

Perhaps Labour needs another electoral cycle to change perceptions
left over from the 2017-2023 governments.

--
Crash McBash

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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nasties
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 by: Rich80105 - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 10:15 UTC

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:22:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

>On 14 Apr 2024 02:57:55 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-04-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
>>> Well, well,well:
>>>
>>> https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350244539/senior-labour-mp-ordered-take-down-gross-social-media-posts
>>>
>>> This from an MP who was a cabinet Minister in the last Labour
>>> Government
>>>
>>>
>>This has to be a case of where the boss/leader acted quickly and in a manner
>>fitting the occasion.
>
>That's not the point. There is a senior member of the current Labour
>caucus who thought his social media post was appropriate, and his
>Leader thought that this was no more than a mistake fixed by deleting
>it.
>
>I would have thought that Hipkins might have thought this action
>merits removal from the Labour Caucus. Perhaps Labour in opposition
>think that this is simply the way the opposition is expected to behave
>now. Perhaps Hipkins is demonstrating that he does not have what it
>takes to get Labour back in government.
>
>Perhaps Labour needs another electoral cycle to change perceptions
>left over from the 2017-2023 governments.

Absolutely, Crash - if they haven't learned from the political
wizardry of Dirty tricks and now the NZ Taxpayer Union mad all its
offshoot propaganda sites, and able to coordinate devastating
political attacks through social media, you have to ask whether they
are worth having in government ever - gross social media should always
be unable to get attributed to those lovely people in Power; how can
you govern a country if you cannot destroy those you do not agree
with. Being civilised or nice is for losers - Right!, Crash?

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From: lizandtony@orcon.net.nz (Tony)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nasties
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 by: Tony - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:18 UTC

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
>On 14 Apr 2024 02:57:55 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-04-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
>>> Well, well,well:
>>>
>>>
>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350244539/senior-labour-mp-ordered-take-down-gross-social-media-posts
>>>
>>> This from an MP who was a cabinet Minister in the last Labour
>>> Government
>>>
>>>
>>This has to be a case of where the boss/leader acted quickly and in a manner
>>fitting the occasion.
>
>That's not the point. There is a senior member of the current Labour
>caucus who thought his social media post was appropriate, and his
>Leader thought that this was no more than a mistake fixed by deleting
>it.
Yes indeed. That is the issue, but then Labour do not easily hold their people
to account, history tells us so.
>
>I would have thought that Hipkins might have thought this action
>merits removal from the Labour Caucus. Perhaps Labour in opposition
>think that this is simply the way the opposition is expected to behave
>now. Perhaps Hipkins is demonstrating that he does not have what it
>takes to get Labour back in government.
>
>Perhaps Labour needs another electoral cycle to change perceptions
>left over from the 2017-2023 governments.
>
>
>--
>Crash McBash

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 by: Tony - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:20 UTC

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:22:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On 14 Apr 2024 02:57:55 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2024-04-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Well, well,well:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350244539/senior-labour-mp-ordered-take-down-gross-social-media-posts
>>>>
>>>> This from an MP who was a cabinet Minister in the last Labour
>>>> Government
>>>>
>>>>
>>>This has to be a case of where the boss/leader acted quickly and in a manner
>>>fitting the occasion.
>>
>>That's not the point. There is a senior member of the current Labour
>>caucus who thought his social media post was appropriate, and his
>>Leader thought that this was no more than a mistake fixed by deleting
>>it.
>>
>>I would have thought that Hipkins might have thought this action
>>merits removal from the Labour Caucus. Perhaps Labour in opposition
>>think that this is simply the way the opposition is expected to behave
>>now. Perhaps Hipkins is demonstrating that he does not have what it
>>takes to get Labour back in government.
>>
>>Perhaps Labour needs another electoral cycle to change perceptions
>>left over from the 2017-2023 governments.
>
>Absolutely, Crash - if they haven't learned from the political
>wizardry of Dirty tricks and now the NZ Taxpayer Union mad all its
>offshoot propaganda sites, and able to coordinate devastating
>political attacks through social media, you have to ask whether they
>are worth having in government ever - gross social media should always
>be unable to get attributed to those lovely people in Power; how can
>you govern a country if you cannot destroy those you do not agree
>with. Being civilised or nice is for losers - Right!, Crash?
What a perfect example of how not to use sarcasm. Childish, petulant and
completely off topic.

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Subject: Re: If not the nasty party, the party of nasties
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 by: Crash - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:34 UTC

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 22:15:30 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:22:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On 14 Apr 2024 02:57:55 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2024-04-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Well, well,well:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350244539/senior-labour-mp-ordered-take-down-gross-social-media-posts
>>>>
>>>> This from an MP who was a cabinet Minister in the last Labour
>>>> Government
>>>>
>>>>
>>>This has to be a case of where the boss/leader acted quickly and in a manner
>>>fitting the occasion.
>>
>>That's not the point. There is a senior member of the current Labour
>>caucus who thought his social media post was appropriate, and his
>>Leader thought that this was no more than a mistake fixed by deleting
>>it.
>>
>>I would have thought that Hipkins might have thought this action
>>merits removal from the Labour Caucus. Perhaps Labour in opposition
>>think that this is simply the way the opposition is expected to behave
>>now. Perhaps Hipkins is demonstrating that he does not have what it
>>takes to get Labour back in government.
>>
>>Perhaps Labour needs another electoral cycle to change perceptions
>>left over from the 2017-2023 governments.
>
>Absolutely, Crash - if they haven't learned from the political
>wizardry of Dirty tricks and now the NZ Taxpayer Union mad all its
>offshoot propaganda sites, and able to coordinate devastating
>political attacks through social media, you have to ask whether they
>are worth having in government ever - gross social media should always
>be unable to get attributed to those lovely people in Power; how can
>you govern a country if you cannot destroy those you do not agree
>with. Being civilised or nice is for losers - Right!, Crash?

All political rhetoric as usual Rich. This thread is about the
behaviour of a senior Labour MP and the clearly-tarnished reputation
of Labour MPs. Your response mentioned nothing relevant to this.

--
Crash McBash

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