On 29/10/2023 19:43, Mark Carver wrote:
>
> Give your blood pressure a rest, and follow the pragmatic advice others
> have offered in here.

I happen to believe in making an effort to try to improve things that
need improving.

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On 29/10/2023 21:10, David Higton wrote:
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> In message <XIy*NN6tz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Have you thought about a breadmaker? It helps if you don't have a local
>> source of fresh bread. The flour, yeast, etc has a much longer shelf life.
>
> +1. I make almost all my own bread. The one I make most often is to
> my own recipe. I set the breadmaker going last night, and collected
> a fresh loaf at 8:30 this morning.

Thanks for the various suggestions, but I'm not about to start making my
own bread.

Now, this is u.t.mobile after all, has anyone anything to say about the
recent Three 'upgrade' that has totally f*ed up my ability to manage
their service to me? Surely I can't be the only person suffering from
these SNAFUs?

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On 30/10/2023 16:26, Java Jive wrote:
> On 29/10/2023 19:43, Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>> Give your blood pressure a rest, and follow the pragmatic advice
>> others have offered in here.
>
> I happen to believe in making an effort to try to improve things that
> need improving.

Sometimes life really is just too short.........

Java Jive wrote:

> I'm not about to start making my own bread.
>
> Now, this is u.t.mobile after all, has anyone anything to say about the
> recent Three 'upgrade'

Maybe if your message had started about Three with a afterthought about
bread and tesco, rather than the other way around?

My Three data reward SIM has stopped working, but I suspect due to me
leaving it idle for too long, rather than testing it every 90 days.

On 30/10/2023 19:22, Andy Burns wrote:
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> Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> I'm not about to start making my own bread.
>>
>> Now, this is u.t.mobile after all, has anyone anything to say about
>> the recent Three 'upgrade'
>
> Maybe if your message had started about Three with a afterthought about
> bread and tesco, rather than the other way around?

I told it chronologically to show cause and effect, and did say when
beginning on Three:

On 29/10/2023 13:00, Java Jive wrote:
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> However, the real point at issue here [...]

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On 30/10/2023 17:32, Mark Carver wrote:
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> On 30/10/2023 16:26, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 29/10/2023 19:43, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>
>>> Give your blood pressure a rest, and follow the pragmatic advice
>>> others have offered in here.
>>
>> I happen to believe in making an effort to try to improve things that
>> need improving.
>
> Sometimes life really is just too short.........

It will always be if you never make any attempt to improve matters. You
have to look at effort in improving things as an investment.

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On 31/10/2023 01:36, Java Jive wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 17:32, Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>> On 30/10/2023 16:26, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 29/10/2023 19:43, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Give your blood pressure a rest, and follow the pragmatic advice
>>>> others have offered in here.
>>>
>>> I happen to believe in making an effort to try to improve things that
>>> need improving.
>>
>> Sometimes life really is just too short.........
>
> It will always be if you never make any attempt to improve matters.  You
> have to look at effort in improving things as an investment.
>
You can try, but in recent years I've had similar fuckwittery from the
reassuringly far more expensive John Lewis.

It's a race to the bottom....

On Monday, 30 October 2023 at 16:21:56 UTC, Woody wrote:
> On Mon 30/10/2023 15:40, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, 30 October 2023 at 14:10:29 UTC, Nick Finnigan wrote:
> >> On 30/10/2023 09:45, Woody wrote:
> >>> On Mon 30/10/2023 08:57, S Viemeister wrote:
> >>>> On 29/10/2023 21:10, David Higton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>> Very little hands-on time, tastes better, and costs considerably less
> >>>> than supermarket rubbish.
> >> Supermarket rubbish is 75p for 800g.
> >
> > And isn't always rubbish - wholemeal usually OK.
> >
> > Most of their phone deal are rubbish - with Asda the worst.
> >
> >>> The flour costs £2 for 1.5kg, and the recipe uses 400g a pop. Forget about
> >>> the yeast and salt,the only other item is 300ml of water. That means you
> >>> will get 15 loaves for £8, or around 54p per loaf.
> >
> > Flour has remained <£1 for 1.5kg, despite a rise during Covid, Russian invasion etc.
> > Maybe you buy organic flour from Waitrose?
> > https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/duchy-organic-strong-white-bread-flour/049465-24644-24645 now £2.20p
> >
> >> "Based on today’s prices* for flour, yeast, butter, sugar, salt (unbranded
> >> ingredients) and even electricity, the Panasonic SD-YR2550 Breadmaker can
> >> bake a 600g loaf of white bread for as little as 70p, using programme 1."
> >>
> >
> > Butter? A soupcon (5ml) of vegetable oil, but that's just to stop it sticking in the tin. Next biggest cost will be energy probably 1kWhr 25-30p
> >
> >> https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances-learn/home-appliances/easy-home-baking-with-panasonic-breadmakers.html
> >>
> >> (does not include purchase / extended warranty cost)
> Definition of vegetable oil?

An oil made from vegetable(s).

> Will sunflower do,

Yes.

> and do you wipe the tin or just put it in the mix?

Put it in the mix as the ingredients all get kneaded in the bread=maker.

Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 17:32, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 30/10/2023 16:26, Java Jive wrote:

>>> I happen to believe in making an effort to try to improve things that
>>> need improving.

With your actions in mind, perhaps you should start your crusade rather
closer to home.

>> Sometimes life really is just too short.........

> It will always be if you never make any attempt to improve matters. You
> have to look at effort in improving things as an investment.

I’m not sure what sort of investment you made while undertaking a trip by
car that lasted six hours, with all the environmental considerations of
CO2, exhaust particulates, and tyre and brake particulates, just to
overcome your non-delivery of a trivial 4x400g loaves of bread. You weren’t
out of bread as that amount had been in fact been delivered. And have you
even thought of the £££ costs of that journey?

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Spike <aero.spike@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
> I’m not sure what sort of investment you made while undertaking a trip by
> car that lasted six hours, with all the environmental considerations of
> CO2, exhaust particulates, and tyre and brake particulates, just to
> overcome your non-delivery of a trivial 4x400g loaves of bread. You weren’t
> out of bread as that amount had been in fact been delivered. And have you
> even thought of the £££ costs of that journey?

Google says the journey is 55 miles each way, and takes about 1h30.

Supposing the car got 55mpg for convenience sake, that's two gallons of
fuel, or about fifteen quid.

The cheapest breakmaker on ebay is £22.50 including delivery.

Just sayin'.

Anyway, to keep this mildly on-topic, you can download older versions of
Android apps from third party sites. This one has the Three app going
back to 2017:

https://www.apkmirror.com/?post_type=app_release&searchtype=apk&page=1&s=com.hutchison3g.planet3

and the oldest one there works on Android 4+.

Theo