Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote

>I imagine it would allow roaming. I think the best course of action is for
>your friend to speak to Vodafone. It can’t be the first time this has
>happened.

Yeah; I will suggest going to a Voda shop and see what info can be
extracted from them while playing dumb.

For what that contract is costing, I have a Voda one with 10GB and
someone else has just an upgrade to 12GB, all for the same sort of
money. And that is 10GB and 12GB with 100% EU roaming...

Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> I just wanted to make the point that, from the point of view of the
> security and privacy of the person involved, what is required is to open
> a new account in their own name that they control, and not rely in any
> way upon the old one. If that means losing the old number, though
> hopefully it won't, then so be it, it's better to do that than be
> controlled even in a small way by someone you no longer trust.

My suggestion is this is an 'old/new email account' situation. With a
dual-SIM or eSIM phone, you can set up a new account with a new number,
while keeping the old number working on the same phone. Then you can tell
people the new number and change it anywhere it may be recorded, while the
old one still works for old contacts, authentication codes that might be
needed to login to accounts and suchlike.

Once all the major accounts/contacts etc are moved off the old number you
can still keep it running to catch any that might have been missed, but most
of the control of the ex is removed.

I agree porting out the number may be better, but not necessarily
straightforward if the account holder won't cooperate.

(the other advantage of a new number is the ex doesn't know it)

Theo

Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 09:14:40 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Roger <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>>> That page includes the text:
>>>>
>>>> Customers who have more than one number linked to their
>>>> account ? for example those with family mobile packages
>>>> ? will need to request their PAC online or by phone.
>>>>
>>>> So perhaps not that simple after all.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Exactly, and if it was that simple it would alo be very simple to piss
>>> random people off :)
>>
>> How? The PAC requests to the short number only work for the phone number
>> making them.
>
> That's true, but not everyone has good security on their phone. If
> someone else were able to gain access to your phone for a few moments
> they could request a PAC and steal your number.

Possibly. The new operator needs to know your old number AND the PAC.

However, this isn't the scenario here with wanting to move number away from
a contract controlled by someone else.

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>My suggestion is this is an 'old/new email account' situation. With a
>dual-SIM or eSIM phone

Yes that is pretty smart.

The current phone is an Iphone 7. I see there are some dual SIM
Iphones (I am android personally).

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>My suggestion is this is an 'old/new email account' situation. With a
>dual-SIM or eSIM phone, you can set up a new account with a new number,
>while keeping the old number working on the same phone. Then you can tell
>people the new number and change it anywhere it may be recorded, while the
>old one still works for old contacts, authentication codes that might be
>needed to login to accounts and suchlike.
>
>Once all the major accounts/contacts etc are moved off the old number you
>can still keep it running to catch any that might have been missed, but most
>of the control of the ex is removed.

OK, looking at this now.

I see e.g. an Iphone 11 can hold two physical nano SIMs. Beyond that,
as usual with phones, the more you pay the better a camera you get :)

Are there any gotchas? Some say dual SIMs are not compatible with some
networks. In this case both SIMs are likely to be Voda.

Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> My suggestion is this is an 'old/new email account' situation. With a
>> dual-SIM or eSIM phone, you can set up a new account with a new number,
>> while keeping the old number working on the same phone. Then you can tell
>> people the new number and change it anywhere it may be recorded, while the
>> old one still works for old contacts, authentication codes that might be
>> needed to login to accounts and suchlike.
>>
>> Once all the major accounts/contacts etc are moved off the old number you
>> can still keep it running to catch any that might have been missed, but most
>> of the control of the ex is removed.
>
> OK, looking at this now.
>
> I see e.g. an Iphone 11 can hold two physical nano SIMs. Beyond that,
> as usual with phones, the more you pay the better a camera you get :)
>
> Are there any gotchas? Some say dual SIMs are not compatible with some
> networks. In this case both SIMs are likely to be Voda.

In the early days not all services - i.e. data - were available on both
SIMs. So be careful if buying an older phone.

Newer phones have eSIMs as the second SIM and not all networks support
them.

>
> Are there any gotchas? Some say dual SIMs are not compatible with some
> networks. In this case both SIMs are likely to be Voda.

So ... if you have 2 SIMs from 2 different networks, how would either of
the network operators know about the other SIM ?

Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote

>
>>
>> Are there any gotchas? Some say dual SIMs are not compatible with some
>> networks. In this case both SIMs are likely to be Voda.
>
>
>So ... if you have 2 SIMs from 2 different networks, how would either of
>the network operators know about the other SIM ?
>

Yes; just been reading up on this.

Without spending a ton of money (say, Iphone 13 or higher, 500+ quid)
one can get the job done for around 300 quid with a refurbished Iphone
12.

There is misleading info around. The current SIM must be a nano sim
(Iphone 7 is thus specced) and the 12 comes in various versions e.g. 2
x nano or 1 x nano + 1 x eSIM.

But the 2 x nano version (the safest option) doesn't seem to exist.

The current SIM would then go into the nano SIM carrier and the new
contract would be an eSIM, presumably. But I cannot find out to what
extent this works. Assume 2 x Voda.

On 05/12/2023 15:59, Peter wrote:
>
> Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote
>
>>
>>>
>>> Are there any gotchas? Some say dual SIMs are not compatible with some
>>> networks. In this case both SIMs are likely to be Voda.
>>
>>
>> So ... if you have 2 SIMs from 2 different networks, how would either of
>> the network operators know about the other SIM ?
>>
>
> Yes; just been reading up on this.
>
> Without spending a ton of money (say, Iphone 13 or higher, 500+ quid)
> one can get the job done for around 300 quid with a refurbished Iphone
> 12.
>
> There is misleading info around. The current SIM must be a nano sim
> (Iphone 7 is thus specced) and the 12 comes in various versions e.g. 2
> x nano or 1 x nano + 1 x eSIM.
>
> But the 2 x nano version (the safest option) doesn't seem to exist.
>
> The current SIM would then go into the nano SIM carrier and the new
> contract would be an eSIM, presumably. But I cannot find out to what
> extent this works. Assume 2 x Voda.

ah the joys of being an Apple fan. Refurbished Samsung Galaxy S10+ from
GiffGaff. £249.

David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/12/2023 15:59, Peter wrote:
> > Yes; just been reading up on this.
> >
> > Without spending a ton of money (say, Iphone 13 or higher, 500+ quid)
> > one can get the job done for around 300 quid with a refurbished Iphone
> > 12.
> >
> > There is misleading info around. The current SIM must be a nano sim
> > (Iphone 7 is thus specced) and the 12 comes in various versions e.g. 2
> > x nano or 1 x nano + 1 x eSIM.
> >
> > But the 2 x nano version (the safest option) doesn't seem to exist.
> >
> > The current SIM would then go into the nano SIM carrier and the new
> > contract would be an eSIM, presumably. But I cannot find out to what
> > extent this works. Assume 2 x Voda.
>
> ah the joys of being an Apple fan. Refurbished Samsung Galaxy S10+ from
> GiffGaff. £249.

I think the dual-physical-SIM iPhones are only for China.

iPhones support eSIM back to the XS/XS Max/XR (2018). A used XR is £193:
https://www.musicmagpie.co.uk/store/products/apple-iphone-xr-64gb-red-unlocked-c2c6e5f7-7f5f-49ad-b377-cbd561e9deb4
(probably cheaper on ebay etc)

With eSIMs you have to be a bit picky about network as not all support them,
especially on PAYG:
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mobiles/what-is-an-esim/#networks
but Voda do on contract:
https://www.vodafone.co.uk/mobile/sim-only/esim

I can confirm I signed up for a Lycamobile PAYG eSIM and it worked
straightaway - even with no credit on it (obviously for receive only).

If the existing SIM card is a larger size it's possible to cut down the
current SIM to nano size. Better to get a new SIM, but if that's not going
to be possible then the cutter should work.

Theo

David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/12/2023 15:59, Peter wrote:
>>
>> Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are there any gotchas? Some say dual SIMs are not compatible with some
>>>> networks. In this case both SIMs are likely to be Voda.
>>>
>>>
>>> So ... if you have 2 SIMs from 2 different networks, how would either of
>>> the network operators know about the other SIM ?
>>>
>>
>> Yes; just been reading up on this.
>>
>> Without spending a ton of money (say, Iphone 13 or higher, 500+ quid)
>> one can get the job done for around 300 quid with a refurbished Iphone
>> 12.
>>
>> There is misleading info around. The current SIM must be a nano sim
>> (Iphone 7 is thus specced) and the 12 comes in various versions e.g. 2
>> x nano or 1 x nano + 1 x eSIM.
>>
>> But the 2 x nano version (the safest option) doesn't seem to exist.
>>
>> The current SIM would then go into the nano SIM carrier and the new
>> contract would be an eSIM, presumably. But I cannot find out to what
>> extent this works. Assume 2 x Voda.
>
> ah the joys of being an Apple fan. Refurbished Samsung Galaxy S10+ from
> GiffGaff. £249.

iPhone 2022SE (takes eSIM) refurbed from ~£250…

--
Spike