David Woolley wrote:

> Anon Line wrote:
>
>> Sounds like DD under another name.
>
> It's a "continuing authority".
> GG definitely allow you to not do this.

1pmobile allow you to not save the card details, of course you'll need
to re-enter them each time you top-up.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in news:l057hoFp57qU1
@mid.individual.net:

> David Woolley wrote:
>
>> Anon Line wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like DD under another name.
>>
>> It's a "continuing authority".
>> GG definitely allow you to not do this.
>
> 1pmobile allow you to not save the card details, of course you'll need
> to re-enter them each time you top-up.

How do they use the continuing authority if they don't save the card
details?

I don't mind much if they save the card details. It's direct debit and
continuing authority that I do not want to allow.

H

Anon Line wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> David Woolley wrote:
>>
>>> Anon Line wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds like DD under another name.
>>>
>>> It's a "continuing authority".
>>> GG definitely allow you to not do this.
>>
>> 1pmobile allow you to not save the card details, of course you'll need
>> to re-enter them each time you top-up.
>
> How do they use the continuing authority if they don't save the card
> details?

They don't, they just send an email reminder saying credit is low, and
it's up to you to make a payment.

On 09/01/2024 14:31, Anon Line wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance, but what is a PAN?

Primary Account Number. The 16 digit number across the front of a card.

>
> One of my requirements is that I don't have to install an app and can do
> everything through the web.

GiffGaff don't require you to use their app.

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 15:37:28 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>David Woolley wrote:
>
>> Anon Line wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like DD under another name.
>>
>> It's a "continuing authority".
>> GG definitely allow you to not do this.
>
>1pmobile allow you to not save the card details, of course you'll need
>to re-enter them each time you top-up.

I let 1p mobile charge my PayPal account.

--
brightside S9

On 10/01/2024 10:55, BrightsideS9 wrote:
> I let 1p mobile charge my PayPal account.

Paypal have a continuing authority and support continuing authority type
payments.

David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> writes:

> On 10/01/2024 10:55, BrightsideS9 wrote:
>> I let 1p mobile charge my PayPal account.
>
> Paypal have a continuing authority and support continuing authority
> type payments.

So paypal pays 1p, and takes a cut, visa pays paypal, and takes a cut,
and the bank pays visa, and takes a cut. And people wonder why we have
inflation?

On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 11:04:49 UTC, Anon Line wrote:
> Anon Line <anon...@tuta.io> wrote in news:XnsB0F46C5439813anonline3@
> 135.181.20.170:
>
> > Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:unj6rh$1veg4$1@dont-
> email.me:
> >
SNIP
> > The rollover is an attractive function for sure.
> Ah....1pM say:
>
> "Any chargeable calls or texts you make, and any additional data you
> use, will be deducted from your credit. Thereafter, to ensure you can
> always use your phone for out of bundle calls and texts when you want
> to, we will automatically top-up your usage balance with an additional
> £10 (charged to your card) whenever your balance falls below £2.."
>
> https://www.1pmobile.com/data-25GB-SIM
>
> Sounds like DD under another name.

Yep - Continuing Credit Card Authority. Never give one of these you cannot countermand them, unlike a DD.

>
> H

notya...@gmail.com <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 11:04:49 UTC, Anon Line wrote:
> > Anon Line <anon...@tuta.io> wrote in news:XnsB0F46C5439813anonline3@
> > 135.181.20.170:
> >
> > > Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:unj6rh$1veg4$1@dont-
> > email.me:
> > >
> SNIP
> > > The rollover is an attractive function for sure.
> > Ah....1pM say:
> >
> > "Any chargeable calls or texts you make, and any additional data you
> > use, will be deducted from your credit. Thereafter, to ensure you can
> > always use your phone for out of bundle calls and texts when you want
> > to, we will automatically top-up your usage balance with an additional
> > £10 (charged to your card) whenever your balance falls below £2."
> >
> > https://www.1pmobile.com/data-25GB-SIM
> >
> > Sounds like DD under another name.
>
> Yep - Continuing Credit Card Authority. Never give one of these you cannot
> countermand them, unlike a DD.
>
The law has been changed and you can countermand them now.

--
Chris Green
·

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:04:46 -0000 (UTC), Anon Line <anonline@tuta.io>
wrote:

>Anon Line <anonline@tuta.io> wrote in news:XnsB0F46C5439813anonline3@
>135.181.20.170:
>
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote in news:unj6rh$1veg4$1@dont-
>email.me:
>>
>>> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anon Line <anonline@tuta.io> wrote:
>>>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in
>>>>>> news:kvshakF5vbgU2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tweed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Woody wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only catch with 1p mobile is that you have to make a top-up
>>>>>>>>> of ֲ£10 at least every 80 days - that is the only way of
>>>>>>>>> keeping the number going, they don't work on a chargeable event
>>>>>>>>> every 3/6/9 months like the others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every 120 days, not 80. So basically a minimum of ֲ£30/year
>>>>>>>> (give or take)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some PAYG SIMs are good for people who send a single text every
>>>>>>> few months and want to stretch ֲ£5 of credit over a few
>decades;
>>>>>>> OTOH 1pmobile works out well for people who do actually make a
>>>>>>> 'normal' amount of calls/texts ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is a normal amount?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My usage per month is something like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * data: maybe 1-4 GB;
>>>>>> * calls: 0-1 received, 0-1 placed;
>>>>>> * texts: ~10+ received, all to verify my ID; 0 sent;
>>>>>> * some Whatsapp chat use: for this I mostly use the laptop, but
>>>>>> sometimes this requires that I verify using the smartphone; and
>>>>>> when I use the smartphone on its own it's usually on wifi; but I
>>>>>> probably use Whatsapp on the smartphone on the mobile phone
>network
>>>>>> 1-2 times a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy to continue to pay ~£10 per month for this, so long as I
>>>>>> don't have to grant a direct debit authority, change number every
>>>>>> month, or allow installation of an app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> H
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably comes down to the best network where you want to use your
>>>>> phone. GiffGaff is on o2, 1p mobile on EE. O2 is suffering
>>>>> congestion problems in some locations because they’ve somewhat
>>>>> oversold their network capacity to virtual operators.
>>>>>
>>>> ... and idMobile is on Three, so you can choose your network! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Another vote IDmobile here. The 30-day SIMs are great and offer data
>>> roll-over so if your data usage is mostly low per month with the odd
>>> month of higher demand it's perfect.
>>>
>>> I pay by DD, but it looks like they also accept debit card:
>>> https://community.idmobile.co.uk/paying-your-bills-114/paying-your-
>mobi
>>> le-phone-bill-44858#Can+I+pay+my+bill+by+credit+or+debit+card?
>>>
>>> Number porting works like any other provider.
>>
>> A quick check at Trustpilot, av. rating / 5:
>>
>> 1pMobile 4.5
>> GiffGaff 4.1
>> IDMobile 4
>> Three 1.3
>>
>> So hopefully whichever I choose out of 1p, GG, and ID, I will see a
>big
>> improvement over Three.
>>
>> The rollover is an attractive function for sure.
>
>Ah....1pM say:
>
>"Any chargeable calls or texts you make, and any additional data you
>use, will be deducted from your credit. Thereafter, to ensure you can
>always use your phone for out of bundle calls and texts when you want
>to, we will automatically top-up your usage balance with an additional
>�10 (charged to your card) whenever your balance falls below �2."
>
>https://www.1pmobile.com/data-25GB-SIM
>
>Sounds like DD under another name.
>

An issue with 1pmobile is that your number is at risk if you run out
of credit. But �10 every 3 months minimum is tempting.

I suspect that at the moment Giffgaff is the cheapest low use genuine
PAYG around.

Whatever Three offer I wouldn't trust them to honour it.

Whilst I'm a very light user (�10/yr was a lot whilst I was receiving
200Mb/month free from Three) the problem I encounter is when my home
WiFi drops without my noticing it and Data is still switched on.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:04:46 -0000 (UTC), Anon Line <anonline@tuta.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Anon Line <anonline@tuta.io> wrote in news:XnsB0F46C5439813anonline3@
>> 135.181.20.170:
>>
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote in news:unj6rh$1veg4$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>>
>>>> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Anon Line <anonline@tuta.io> wrote:
>>>>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:kvshakF5vbgU2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tweed wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Woody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only catch with 1p mobile is that you have to make a top-up
>>>>>>>>>> of ֲ£10 at least every 80 days - that is the only way of
>>>>>>>>>> keeping the number going, they don't work on a chargeable event
>>>>>>>>>> every 3/6/9 months like the others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every 120 days, not 80. So basically a minimum of ֲ£30/year
>>>>>>>>> (give or take)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some PAYG SIMs are good for people who send a single text every
>>>>>>>> few months and want to stretch ֲ£5 of credit over a few
>> decades;
>>>>>>>> OTOH 1pmobile works out well for people who do actually make a
>>>>>>>> 'normal' amount of calls/texts ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is a normal amount?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My usage per month is something like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * data: maybe 1-4 GB;
>>>>>>> * calls: 0-1 received, 0-1 placed;
>>>>>>> * texts: ~10+ received, all to verify my ID; 0 sent;
>>>>>>> * some Whatsapp chat use: for this I mostly use the laptop, but
>>>>>>> sometimes this requires that I verify using the smartphone; and
>>>>>>> when I use the smartphone on its own it's usually on wifi; but I
>>>>>>> probably use Whatsapp on the smartphone on the mobile phone
>> network
>>>>>>> 1-2 times a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy to continue to pay ~£10 per month for this, so long as I
>>>>>>> don't have to grant a direct debit authority, change number every
>>>>>>> month, or allow installation of an app.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> H
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably comes down to the best network where you want to use your
>>>>>> phone. GiffGaff is on o2, 1p mobile on EE. O2 is suffering
>>>>>> congestion problems in some locations because they’ve somewhat
>>>>>> oversold their network capacity to virtual operators.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ... and idMobile is on Three, so you can choose your network! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another vote IDmobile here. The 30-day SIMs are great and offer data
>>>> roll-over so if your data usage is mostly low per month with the odd
>>>> month of higher demand it's perfect.
>>>>
>>>> I pay by DD, but it looks like they also accept debit card:
>>>> https://community.idmobile.co.uk/paying-your-bills-114/paying-your-
>> mobi
>>>> le-phone-bill-44858#Can+I+pay+my+bill+by+credit+or+debit+card?
>>>>
>>>> Number porting works like any other provider.
>>>
>>> A quick check at Trustpilot, av. rating / 5:
>>>
>>> 1pMobile 4.5
>>> GiffGaff 4.1
>>> IDMobile 4
>>> Three 1.3
>>>
>>> So hopefully whichever I choose out of 1p, GG, and ID, I will see a
>> big
>>> improvement over Three.
>>>
>>> The rollover is an attractive function for sure.
>>
>> Ah....1pM say:
>>
>> "Any chargeable calls or texts you make, and any additional data you
>> use, will be deducted from your credit. Thereafter, to ensure you can
>> always use your phone for out of bundle calls and texts when you want
>> to, we will automatically top-up your usage balance with an additional
>> £10 (charged to your card) whenever your balance falls below £2."
>>
>> https://www.1pmobile.com/data-25GB-SIM
>>
>> Sounds like DD under another name.
>>
>
> An issue with 1pmobile is that your number is at risk if you run out
> of credit. But £10 every 3 months minimum is tempting.
>
> I suspect that at the moment Giffgaff is the cheapest low use genuine
> PAYG around.
>
> Whatever Three offer I wouldn't trust them to honour it.
>
> Whilst I'm a very light user (£10/yr was a lot whilst I was receiving
> 200Mb/month free from Three) the problem I encounter is when my home
> WiFi drops without my noticing it and Data is still switched on.
>
>

I think it’s £10 every 120 days with 1p mobile, not every 3 months. You can
pay in advance, so if you topped up £20 your expiry date moves forwards by
240 days. They do have the advantage of using all the available frequency
bands that EE provide. In general, you will get much better coverage than
3, who aren’t that keen on rural coverage.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it’s £10 every 120 days with 1p mobile, not every 3 months. You can
> pay in advance, so if you topped up £20 your expiry date moves forwards by
> 240 days. They do have the advantage of using all the available frequency
> bands that EE provide. In general, you will get much better coverage than
> 3, who aren’t that keen on rural coverage.

1p offer a ‘One Year Talker’ SIM for £36, no need to top up for 12 months,
unlimited calls and texts, 250 MB/month free, roaming in ~46 countries
(mostly EU and EEA). A number of 30-day data boosts are available. Check
their website first for out-of-bundle costs.

--
Spike

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:46:32 -0800 (PST), "notya...@gmail.com"
<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 11:04:49 UTC, Anon Line wrote:
>> Anon Line <anon...@tuta.io> wrote in news:XnsB0F46C5439813anonline3@
>> 135.181.20.170:
>>
>> > Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:unj6rh$1veg4$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>> >
>SNIP
>> > The rollover is an attractive function for sure.
>> Ah....1pM say:
>>
>> "Any chargeable calls or texts you make, and any additional data you
>> use, will be deducted from your credit. Thereafter, to ensure you can
>> always use your phone for out of bundle calls and texts when you want
>> to, we will automatically top-up your usage balance with an additional
>> £10 (charged to your card) whenever your balance falls below £2."
>>
>> https://www.1pmobile.com/data-25GB-SIM
>>
>> Sounds like DD under another name.
>
>Yep - Continuing Credit Card Authority. Never give one of these you cannot countermand them, unlike a DD.

If you want to cancel a continuous payment authority you can contact
either the merchant or the card issuing bank. They are obliged to
comply with your request.

Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think it’s £10 every 120 days with 1p mobile, not every 3 months. You can
> > pay in advance, so if you topped up £20 your expiry date moves forwards by
> > 240 days. They do have the advantage of using all the available frequency
> > bands that EE provide. In general, you will get much better coverage than
> > 3, who aren’t that keen on rural coverage.
>
> 1p offer a ‘One Year Talker’ SIM for £36, no need to top up for 12 months,
> unlimited calls and texts, 250 MB/month free, roaming in ~46 countries
> (mostly EU and EEA). A number of 30-day data boosts are available. Check
> their website first for out-of-bundle costs.

That's interesting. They also have a 'One Year Flexi' for £30. AFAICS the
difference is the Talker gives you unlimited calls/texts/250MBpm for the
year and a zero credit balance, whereas the Flexi has nothing inclusive but
a £30 non-expiring credit balance to use as you see fit. Depending on your
typical usage model one may be better than the other.

Theo