On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:04:01 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <5b9emilhlot002f9lbvj9md2dk7un5107p@4ax.com>, at 11:50:15 on
>Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:18:23 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <uk54h0$bb9a$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:29:22 on Tue, 28 Nov
>>>2023, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> remarked:
>>>>On 28/11/2023 13:35, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>>>> On 28 Nov 2023 10:52, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> People may recall that in the first half of October I swapped my car for
>>>>>> a ULEZ compliant one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine my surprise, to receive a Penalty Notice today, quoting the
>>>>>> correct vehicle description (not for example the old one from which
>>>>>> the numberplate was transferred) for driving in Gunnersbury on the
>>>>>> 17th November. Complete with a thumbnail photo of my new car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had checked this weeks ago, but did it again just now, and the TfL
>>>>>> website confirms it's ULEZ complaint, as indeed had the dealer who
>>>>>> sold it to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel a call to The Daily Mail coming on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would be suitable compensation for the distress and inconvenience
>>>>>> caused? As a bare minimum the threatened penalty of £180.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They claim they want to see V5's, registration transfer documents and
>>>>>> manufacturer's specifications as proof it's compliant, BUT THEIR VERY
>>>>>> OWN WEBSITE CONFIRMS IT IS!!
>>>
>>>>> Roland, make up your mind. Elsewhere you are saying that parking
>>>>>fines should be levied on the spot and without an appeal process.
>>>>>Have you changed your mind?
>>>>
>>>>Roland has a personalised numberplate, which has caused the problem.
>>>
>>>No, it's not the problem. the problem is one of TfL's back-office's
>>>recognises the change of vehicle, and another a month later later
>>>dosen't.
>>
>><https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/private-number-plate-ex
>>perts-plates4less-uncover-ulez-fine-flaws-in-london-1032673917>
>
>That seems like a plausible explanation for their astonishingly crass IT
>workflow.
>
>My numberplate was originally issued in 1976, although their penalty
>notice shows a picture and an accurate text description of the actual
>make/model of the car manufactured more than 30yrs later. So they've
>scraped that from DVLA quite recently.
>
>If they don't send me the £180 compensation I've requested, I think this
>may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor (so he can
>understand how dysfunctional his subcontractors are, and how much it
>brings his political aspirations into disrepute).
>
>Even if I disagree with the policy, I think for the greater good it's
>important he understands what's going on.
>
They scrape the details occasionally not immediately so the TfL
website can be out of date for a period after a registration is
transferred between vehicles. I had to e-mail a copy of my V5 and
all-round photographs of my car (number retained from its predecessor)
when it was registered for the Congestion Charge to prove that it was
not a 19y old van.

On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
> I think this
> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor

How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?

Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
will you be seen in?

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:29:27 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

>On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I think this
>> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor
>
>How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>
>Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
>will you be seen in?

Won't Mr Khan welcome the chance of a rare appointment to see Mr Perry, who can give him so much useful advice?

In message <nadgmi13un8amj7aeacngr37isqbi0lbq8@4ax.com>, at 07:18:49 on
Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
>On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:04:01 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <5b9emilhlot002f9lbvj9md2dk7un5107p@4ax.com>, at 11:50:15 on
>>Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:18:23 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <uk54h0$bb9a$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:29:22 on Tue, 28 Nov
>>>>2023, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> remarked:
>>>>>On 28/11/2023 13:35, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>>>>> On 28 Nov 2023 10:52, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> People may recall that in the first half of October I swapped my car for
>>>>>>> a ULEZ compliant one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Imagine my surprise, to receive a Penalty Notice today, quoting the
>>>>>>> correct vehicle description (not for example the old one from which
>>>>>>> the numberplate was transferred) for driving in Gunnersbury on the
>>>>>>> 17th November. Complete with a thumbnail photo of my new car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had checked this weeks ago, but did it again just now, and the TfL
>>>>>>> website confirms it's ULEZ complaint, as indeed had the dealer who
>>>>>>> sold it to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel a call to The Daily Mail coming on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would be suitable compensation for the distress and inconvenience
>>>>>>> caused? As a bare minimum the threatened penalty of £180.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They claim they want to see V5's, registration transfer documents and
>>>>>>> manufacturer's specifications as proof it's compliant, BUT THEIR VERY
>>>>>>> OWN WEBSITE CONFIRMS IT IS!!
>>>>
>>>>>> Roland, make up your mind. Elsewhere you are saying that parking
>>>>>>fines should be levied on the spot and without an appeal process.
>>>>>>Have you changed your mind?
>>>>>
>>>>>Roland has a personalised numberplate, which has caused the problem.
>>>>
>>>>No, it's not the problem. the problem is one of TfL's back-office's
>>>>recognises the change of vehicle, and another a month later later
>>>>dosen't.
>>>
>>><https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/private-number-plate-ex
>>>perts-plates4less-uncover-ulez-fine-flaws-in-london-1032673917>
>>
>>That seems like a plausible explanation for their astonishingly crass IT
>>workflow.
>>
>>My numberplate was originally issued in 1976, although their penalty
>>notice shows a picture and an accurate text description of the actual
>>make/model of the car manufactured more than 30yrs later. So they've
>>scraped that from DVLA quite recently.
>>
>>If they don't send me the £180 compensation I've requested, I think this
>>may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor (so he can
>>understand how dysfunctional his subcontractors are, and how much it
>>brings his political aspirations into disrepute).
>>
>>Even if I disagree with the policy, I think for the greater good it's
>>important he understands what's going on.
>>
>They scrape the details occasionally not immediately so the TfL
>website can be out of date for a period after a registration is
>transferred between vehicles.

FFS!! The TfL website has been up to date for *weeks*, it's the
penalty-notice site which isn't. There's absolutely no possible excuse
for that, especially as the PN has the make/model of the ***NEW*** car
on it.

I've now had a second PN for the day after the first one. So they've
doubled the amount of compensation they need to offer.

>I had to e-mail a copy of my V5 and all-round photographs of my car
>(number retained from its predecessor) when it was registered for the
>Congestion Charge to prove that it was not a 19y old van.

Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
--
Roland Perry

In message <uk9rmm$1bao3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:29:27 on Thu, 30 Nov
2023, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> remarked:
>On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I think this may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the
>>Mayor
>
>How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>
>Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which
>millennium will you be seen in?

It used to be my day-job. One of his "czars" is a friend of mine, and
I'm fairly confident I could achieve it.

It's the other side of the coin to people like the Mayor having
'convening power'. If they can demand I turn up in two day's time
to a meeting about something they suddenly have on their radar,
I can reciprocate.
--
Roland Perry

In message <248hmipl4s27mebfdqp5d24iq1js23oav1@4ax.com>, at 14:48:34 on
Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:29:27 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I think this
>>> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor
>>
>>How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>>can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>>
>>Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
>>will you be seen in?
>
>Won't Mr Khan welcome the chance of a rare appointment to see Mr Perry,
>who can give him so much useful advice?

The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite my
hand off.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <248hmipl4s27mebfdqp5d24iq1js23oav1@4ax.com>, at 14:48:34 on
> Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:29:27 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> I think this
>>>> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor
>>>
>>> How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>>> can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>>>
>>> Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
>>> will you be seen in?
>>
>> Won't Mr Khan welcome the chance of a rare appointment to see Mr Perry,
>> who can give him so much useful advice?
>
> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite my
> hand off.

Let us know how you get on. I forecast no compensation, no meeting with
mayor and no front page on the DM.

On 01/12/2023 07:38, Roland Perry wrote:
>
> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite my
> hand off.

Try BBC Watchdog, I think they did an item on people having problem with
the ULEZ scrappage payments last week.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uk9rmm$1bao3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:29:27 on Thu, 30 Nov
> 2023, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> remarked:
>> On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I think this may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the
>>> Mayor
>>
>> How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>> can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>>
>> Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which
>> millennium will you be seen in?
>
> It used to be my day-job. One of his "czars" is a friend of mine, and
> I'm fairly confident I could achieve it.
>
> It's the other side of the coin to people like the Mayor having
> 'convening power'. If they can demand I turn up in two day's time
> to a meeting about something they suddenly have on their radar,
> I can reciprocate.

“I can call spirits from the vasty deep.”
“Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?”

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <248hmipl4s27mebfdqp5d24iq1js23oav1@4ax.com>, at 14:48:34 on
>> Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:29:27 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> I think this
>>>>> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor
>>>>
>>>> How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>>>> can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
>>>> will you be seen in?
>>>
>>> Won't Mr Khan welcome the chance of a rare appointment to see Mr Perry,
>>> who can give him so much useful advice?
>>
>> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite my
>> hand off.
>
> Let us know how you get on. I forecast no compensation, no meeting with
> mayor and no front page on the DM.

Yes, Roland is just one of many who've had this problem, which has been
extensively reported locally, as Roland would know if he lived in an area
where people have a vote in London mayoral elections.

In message <GLhaN.52254$hCA.41869@fx15.ams1>, at 09:33:26 on Fri, 1 Dec
2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <248hmipl4s27mebfdqp5d24iq1js23oav1@4ax.com>, at 14:48:34 on
>>> Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:29:27 +0000, GB
>>>><NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> I think this
>>>>>> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>>>>> can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
>>>>> will you be seen in?
>>>>
>>>> Won't Mr Khan welcome the chance of a rare appointment to see Mr Perry,
>>>> who can give him so much useful advice?
>>>
>>> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite my
>>> hand off.
>>
>> Let us know how you get on. I forecast no compensation, no meeting with
>> mayor and no front page on the DM.
>
>Yes, Roland is just one of many who've had this problem, which has been
>extensively reported locally, as Roland would know if he lived in an area
>where people have a vote in London mayoral elections.

Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
broken IT system.
--
Roland Perry

In message <ukc4e8$1pvqb$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:10:49 on Fri, 1 Dec
2023, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 01/12/2023 07:38, Roland Perry wrote:

>> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite
>>my hand off.
>
>Try BBC Watchdog, I think they did an item on people having problem
>with the ULEZ scrappage payments last week.

Yes, somewhere like that. "Front page of the DM" is only a metaphor.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <GLhaN.52254$hCA.41869@fx15.ams1>, at 09:33:26 on Fri, 1 Dec
> 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <248hmipl4s27mebfdqp5d24iq1js23oav1@4ax.com>, at 14:48:34 on
>>>> Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:29:27 +0000, GB
>>>>> <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> I think this
>>>>>>> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>>>>>> can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
>>>>>> will you be seen in?
>>>>>
>>>>> Won't Mr Khan welcome the chance of a rare appointment to see Mr Perry,
>>>>> who can give him so much useful advice?
>>>>
>>>> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite my
>>>> hand off.
>>>
>>> Let us know how you get on. I forecast no compensation, no meeting with
>>> mayor and no front page on the DM.
>>
>> Yes, Roland is just one of many who've had this problem, which has been
>> extensively reported locally, as Roland would know if he lived in an area
>> where people have a vote in London mayoral elections.
>
> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
> broken IT system.

The electorate don't get a vote on IT systems. But the blade-runners take
direct action…

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <ukc4e8$1pvqb$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:10:49 on Fri, 1 Dec
> 2023, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 01/12/2023 07:38, Roland Perry wrote:
>
>>> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite
>>> my hand off.
>>
>> Try BBC Watchdog, I think they did an item on people having problem
>> with the ULEZ scrappage payments last week.
>
> Yes, somewhere like that. "Front page of the DM" is only a metaphor.

Why would they want to report the same story for the umpteenth time?

On 01/12/2023 09:33, Recliner wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <248hmipl4s27mebfdqp5d24iq1js23oav1@4ax.com>, at 14:48:34 on
>>> Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:29:27 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/11/2023 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> I think this
>>>>>> may go all the way up to me calling a meeting with the Mayor
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that work? There are many millions of people in London. They
>>>>> can't all 'call a meeting' with the Mayor at the drop of a hat, surely?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a queue, and if you join the end of the queue, which millennium
>>>>> will you be seen in?
>>>>
>>>> Won't Mr Khan welcome the chance of a rare appointment to see Mr Perry,
>>>> who can give him so much useful advice?
>>>
>>> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite my
>>> hand off.
>>
>> Let us know how you get on. I forecast no compensation, no meeting with
>> mayor and no front page on the DM.
>
> Yes, Roland is just one of many who've had this problem, which has been
> extensively reported locally, as Roland would know if he lived in an area
> where people have a vote in London mayoral elections.
>
These sort of problems have made the national press on several
occasions. It seems to me that TfL's agents are very intransigent in
dealing with these matters and expect documentation to a very high
standard. I hope Roland does get his meeting with the Mayor.

They have been known not to accept police confirmation of a cloned vehicle.

On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:

> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
> broken IT system.

I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.

Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
the slow updates of the fine system.

Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.

On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>
>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>> broken IT system.
>
>I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>
>Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>the slow updates of the fine system.

One word explanation: Crapita

https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expansion-launches-london

>
>Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.

Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.

This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported in the media and in local groups:
https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_can_make_you_car_seem_ulez/

On 01/12/2023 09:58, Recliner wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ukc4e8$1pvqb$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:10:49 on Fri, 1 Dec
>> 2023, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>>> On 01/12/2023 07:38, Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>>>> The alternative being on the front page of the Daily Mail, he'd bite
>>>> my hand off.
>>>
>>> Try BBC Watchdog, I think they did an item on people having problem
>>> with the ULEZ scrappage payments last week.
>>
>> Yes, somewhere like that. "Front page of the DM" is only a metaphor.
>
> Why would they want to report the same story for the umpteenth time?
>
They only do that for royalty…
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message <3gsjmihrn2o0vvos598s3pt3p069e8c08c@4ax.com>, at 14:56:10 on
Fri, 1 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>>> broken IT system.
>>
>>I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>>
>>Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>>work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>>the slow updates of the fine system.
>
>One word explanation: Crapita
>
>https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expa
>nsion-launches-london
>
>>Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.
>
>Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.
>
>This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported
>in the media and in local groups:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_c
>an_make_you_car_seem_ulez/

Sadly for you narrative, that's a completely different scenario:

"When we checked the TfL vehicle checker again, the car came up as
non-compliant."

Sorry to go on and on about it (but you seem determined to raise bogus
issues which can't go unchallenged) I checked the TfL site a few days
after the plate was transferred - just in case something like this might
happen - and it agreed the vehicle was compliant.

And I checked again the other day, and it still says it's compliant.

But I've already said that, are you suffering from short-term memory
loss?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <3gsjmihrn2o0vvos598s3pt3p069e8c08c@4ax.com>, at 14:56:10 on
> Fri, 1 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>>>> broken IT system.
>>>
>>> I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>>>
>>> Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>>> work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>>> the slow updates of the fine system.
>>
>> One word explanation: Crapita
>>
>> https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expa
>> nsion-launches-london
>>
>>> Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.
>>
>> Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.
>>
>> This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported
>> in the media and in local groups:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_c
>> an_make_you_car_seem_ulez/
>
> Sadly for you narrative, that's a completely different scenario:
>
> "When we checked the TfL vehicle checker again, the car came up as
> non-compliant."
>
> Sorry to go on and on about it (but you seem determined to raise bogus
> issues which can't go unchallenged) I checked the TfL site a few days
> after the plate was transferred - just in case something like this might
> happen - and it agreed the vehicle was compliant.
>
> And I checked again the other day, and it still says it's compliant.
>
> But I've already said that, are you suffering from short-term memory
> loss?

According to a Telegraph article the charging/fining database is only
updated every 4 weeks.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <3gsjmihrn2o0vvos598s3pt3p069e8c08c@4ax.com>, at 14:56:10 on
> Fri, 1 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>>>> broken IT system.
>>>
>>> I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>>>
>>> Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>>> work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>>> the slow updates of the fine system.
>>
>> One word explanation: Crapita
>>
>> https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expa
>> nsion-launches-london
>>
>>> Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.
>>
>> Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.
>>
>> This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported
>> in the media and in local groups:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_c
>> an_make_you_car_seem_ulez/
>
> Sadly for you narrative, that's a completely different scenario:
>
> "When we checked the TfL vehicle checker again, the car came up as
> non-compliant."
>
> Sorry to go on and on about it (but you seem determined to raise bogus
> issues which can't go unchallenged) I checked the TfL site a few days
> after the plate was transferred - just in case something like this might
> happen - and it agreed the vehicle was compliant.
>
> And I checked again the other day, and it still says it's compliant.
>
> But I've already said that, are you suffering from short-term memory
> loss?

You car model is compliant, but the system is clearly still associating
your vanity plate with either your previous car, or the one your plate
first adorned. That's the same problem as many others have reported.

I previously provide a link to an article that explains how to solve the
problem, but you still keep complaining here rather than just sorting it
out like any normal person would.

In message <ukd2b8$1ugcg$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:41:12 on Fri, 1 Dec
2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <3gsjmihrn2o0vvos598s3pt3p069e8c08c@4ax.com>, at 14:56:10 on
>> Fri, 1 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>>>>> broken IT system.
>>>>
>>>> I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>>>> work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>>>> the slow updates of the fine system.
>>>
>>> One word explanation: Crapita
>>>
>>> https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expa
>>> nsion-launches-london
>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.
>>>
>>> Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.
>>>
>>> This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported
>>> in the media and in local groups:
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_c
>>> an_make_you_car_seem_ulez/
>>
>> Sadly for you narrative, that's a completely different scenario:
>>
>> "When we checked the TfL vehicle checker again, the car came up as
>> non-compliant."
>>
>> Sorry to go on and on about it (but you seem determined to raise bogus
>> issues which can't go unchallenged) I checked the TfL site a few days
>> after the plate was transferred - just in case something like this might
>> happen - and it agreed the vehicle was compliant.
>>
>> And I checked again the other day, and it still says it's compliant.
>>
>> But I've already said that, are you suffering from short-term memory
>> loss?
>
>According to a Telegraph article the charging/fining database is only
>updated every 4 weeks.

Is that code for "once a month", and is there a date each month they do
it?

Anyway that's just bizarre, as the charging scheme issues tickets (to
people they presume haven't paid) after only a fortnight. Sauce for the
goose and all that.

But if the people running the scheme are aware of this, they should
rubber-stamp my appeal, even if I might have to take them to court for
compensation.

ps They've sent me another PN for the following day.

pps The PNs were issued five weeks after the plate was transferred, so
"4 weeks" seems a bit wonky.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <ukd2b8$1ugcg$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:41:12 on Fri, 1 Dec
> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <3gsjmihrn2o0vvos598s3pt3p069e8c08c@4ax.com>, at 14:56:10 on
>>> Fri, 1 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>>>>>> broken IT system.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>>>>> work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>>>>> the slow updates of the fine system.
>>>>
>>>> One word explanation: Crapita
>>>>
>>>> https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expa
>>>> nsion-launches-london
>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.
>>>>
>>>> This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported
>>>> in the media and in local groups:
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_c
>>>> an_make_you_car_seem_ulez/
>>>
>>> Sadly for you narrative, that's a completely different scenario:
>>>
>>> "When we checked the TfL vehicle checker again, the car came up as
>>> non-compliant."
>>>
>>> Sorry to go on and on about it (but you seem determined to raise bogus
>>> issues which can't go unchallenged) I checked the TfL site a few days
>>> after the plate was transferred - just in case something like this might
>>> happen - and it agreed the vehicle was compliant.
>>>
>>> And I checked again the other day, and it still says it's compliant.
>>>
>>> But I've already said that, are you suffering from short-term memory
>>> loss?
>>
>> According to a Telegraph article the charging/fining database is only
>> updated every 4 weeks.
>
> Is that code for "once a month", and is there a date each month they do
> it?
>
> Anyway that's just bizarre, as the charging scheme issues tickets (to
> people they presume haven't paid) after only a fortnight. Sauce for the
> goose and all that.
>
> But if the people running the scheme are aware of this, they should
> rubber-stamp my appeal, even if I might have to take them to court for
> compensation.
>
> ps They've sent me another PN for the following day.
>
> pps The PNs were issued five weeks after the plate was transferred, so
> "4 weeks" seems a bit wonky.

Please report how your court case goes.

In message <5ooaN.14$XUo2.13@fx14.ams1>, at 17:06:09 on Fri, 1 Dec 2023,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <3gsjmihrn2o0vvos598s3pt3p069e8c08c@4ax.com>, at 14:56:10 on
>> Fri, 1 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>>>>> broken IT system.
>>>>
>>>> I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>>>> work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>>>> the slow updates of the fine system.
>>>
>>> One word explanation: Crapita
>>>
>>> https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expa
>>> nsion-launches-london
>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.
>>>
>>> Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.
>>>
>>> This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported
>>> in the media and in local groups:
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_c
>>> an_make_you_car_seem_ulez/
>>
>> Sadly for you narrative, that's a completely different scenario:
>>
>> "When we checked the TfL vehicle checker again, the car came up as
>> non-compliant."
>>
>> Sorry to go on and on about it (but you seem determined to raise bogus
>> issues which can't go unchallenged) I checked the TfL site a few days
>> after the plate was transferred - just in case something like this might
>> happen - and it agreed the vehicle was compliant.
>>
>> And I checked again the other day, and it still says it's compliant.
>>
>> But I've already said that, are you suffering from short-term memory
>> loss?
>
>You car model is compliant, but the system is clearly still associating
>your vanity plate with either your previous car, or the one your plate
>first adorned.

The one it first adorned, I have no idea. It would have been some
vehicle sold new in Surrey in 1976. They don't tell you that make/model
when you "buy" a memory-plate. Which I didn't do until 1985, so it may
not have even been the second vehicle to carry it at, at that point.
Also at that time it was commonplace for people to "park"
plates-for-sale on otherwise scrap mopeds, because I don't think they'd
invented the concept of retention certificates.

>That's the same problem as many others have reported.

No No No. (Apologies to Vicar of Dibley viewers).

The PN has printed on it the make/model of the **successor* vehicle, the
ULEZ compatible one!!!

>I previously provide a link to an article that explains how to solve the
>problem, but you still keep complaining here rather than just sorting it
>out like any normal person would.

I've appealed the PNs the day they arrived, explaining in particular the
way the PN has a photo of my car, which is clearly not a Freelander
(plus the fact it also quotes the make and model of a compliant
vehicle).

If the Mayor could bring the whole ULEZ scheme into greater disrepute,
I'd struggle to say exactly how.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <5ooaN.14$XUo2.13@fx14.ams1>, at 17:06:09 on Fri, 1 Dec 2023,
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <3gsjmihrn2o0vvos598s3pt3p069e8c08c@4ax.com>, at 14:56:10 on
>>> Fri, 1 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:15 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/12/2023 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if I had such a vote, I would not cast it to implement quite such a
>>>>>> broken IT system.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that everybody here agrees with you that the IT system is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from the annoyance to people like yourself, it must cause much
>>>>> work within TFL sorting out the mess. And, there's no obvious reason for
>>>>> the slow updates of the fine system.
>>>>
>>>> One word explanation: Crapita
>>>>
>>>> https://www.capita.com/news/capita-operated-ultra-low-emission-zone-expa
>>>> nsion-launches-london
>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless, you are going on a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed so, but it's all new and shocking for Roland.
>>>>
>>>> This has actually been going on for years, and has been widely reported
>>>> in the media and in local groups:
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/owj4ll/psa_your_private_plate_c
>>>> an_make_you_car_seem_ulez/
>>>
>>> Sadly for you narrative, that's a completely different scenario:
>>>
>>> "When we checked the TfL vehicle checker again, the car came up as
>>> non-compliant."
>>>
>>> Sorry to go on and on about it (but you seem determined to raise bogus
>>> issues which can't go unchallenged) I checked the TfL site a few days
>>> after the plate was transferred - just in case something like this might
>>> happen - and it agreed the vehicle was compliant.
>>>
>>> And I checked again the other day, and it still says it's compliant.
>>>
>>> But I've already said that, are you suffering from short-term memory
>>> loss?
>>
>> You car model is compliant, but the system is clearly still associating
>> your vanity plate with either your previous car, or the one your plate
>> first adorned.
>
> The one it first adorned, I have no idea. It would have been some
> vehicle sold new in Surrey in 1976. They don't tell you that make/model
> when you "buy" a memory-plate. Which I didn't do until 1985, so it may
> not have even been the second vehicle to carry it at, at that point.
> Also at that time it was commonplace for people to "park"
> plates-for-sale on otherwise scrap mopeds, because I don't think they'd
> invented the concept of retention certificates.
>
>> That's the same problem as many others have reported.
>
> No No No. (Apologies to Vicar of Dibley viewers).
>
> The PN has printed on it the make/model of the **successor* vehicle, the
> ULEZ compatible one!!!
>
>> I previously provide a link to an article that explains how to solve the
>> problem, but you still keep complaining here rather than just sorting it
>> out like any normal person would.
>
> I've appealed the PNs the day they arrived, explaining in particular the
> way the PN has a photo of my car, which is clearly not a Freelander
> (plus the fact it also quotes the make and model of a compliant
> vehicle).
>
> If the Mayor could bring the whole ULEZ scheme into greater disrepute,
> I'd struggle to say exactly how.

I doubt that the average person has much sympathy for the owners of vanity
plates.