Hi All,

I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
to a particular train…

Online said “No”

Ticket office man “No”

Ticket machine “Yes”

I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
online)?

Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
Harborough leg?

On 11/12/2023 12:08, Chris Holmes wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
> Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
> to a particular train…
>
> Online said “No”
>
> Ticket office man “No”
>
> Ticket machine “Yes”
>
>
> I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
> know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
> online)?
>
> Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
> Harborough leg?

It looks as if they're not valid from St Pancras from 15:35 until 18:46,
so you may have to set off at a different time. The return journey also
has morning restrictions.

<https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=LHD&dest=MHR&rte=200&ldn=1&tkt=SSR>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:16:05 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
[snip]
>
>It looks as if they're not valid from St Pancras from 15:35 until 18:46,
>so you may have to set off at a different time. The return journey also
>has morning restrictions.
>
><https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=LHD&dest=MHR&rte=200&ldn=1&tkt=SSR>

I was told at one stage that the peak rules apply only to commencement
of the journey, and not to changes. Specifically, I was told that an
off-peak ticket from Kirkcaldy to Glasgow would allow a change during
the peak period at Haymarket. Maybe this is because Haymarket is not a
terminus but I thought the same rules applied as at Waverley.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:16:05 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> It looks as if they're not valid from St Pancras from 15:35 until 18:46,
>> so you may have to set off at a different time. The return journey also
>> has morning restrictions.
>>
>> <https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=LHD&dest=MHR&rte=200&ldn=1&tkt=SSR>
>
> I was told at one stage that the peak rules apply only to commencement
> of the journey, and not to changes. Specifically, I was told that an
> off-peak ticket from Kirkcaldy to Glasgow would allow a change during
> the peak period at Haymarket. Maybe this is because Haymarket is not a
> terminus but I thought the same rules applied as at Waverley.
>

Dahn Sarf,

I can’t use an Off Peak to travel to London Until 9:30….

However, using an Off Peak to travel up and through London before 9:30
doesn’t seem to be an issue. (Or maybe they were Advanced Singles rather
than Off Peak).

Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
> On 11/12/2023 12:08, Chris Holmes wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
>> Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
>> to a particular train…
>>
>> Online said “No”
>>
>> Ticket office man “No”
>>
>> Ticket machine “Yes”
>>
>>
>> I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
>> know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
>> online)?
>>
>> Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
>> Harborough leg?
>
> It looks as if they're not valid from St Pancras from 15:35 until 18:46,
> so you may have to set off at a different time. The return journey also
> has morning restrictions.
>
> <https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=LHD&dest=MHR&rte=200&ldn=1&tkt=SSR>
>

I have just managed to figure out how to get the Trainline web portal to
offer Super Off Peak AND show which services it thinks it is valid for.
And the first one it offers has me picking up the 19:05 at St Pancras.
That’s not a disaster, but its a bit naughty, as the (Southern) ticket
machine asked what time I was travelling, and I “said” 16:00 and it then
sold me the Super off peak.

Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>> On 11/12/2023 12:08, Chris Holmes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
>>> Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
>>> to a particular train…
>>>
>>> Online said “No”
>>>
>>> Ticket office man “No”
>>>
>>> Ticket machine “Yes”
>>>
>>>
>>> I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
>>> know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
>>> online)?
>>>
>>> Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
>>> Harborough leg?
>>
>> It looks as if they're not valid from St Pancras from 15:35 until 18:46,
>> so you may have to set off at a different time. The return journey also
>> has morning restrictions.
>>
>> <https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=LHD&dest=MHR&rte=200&ldn=1&tkt=SSR>
>>
>
>
> I have just managed to figure out how to get the Trainline web portal to
> offer Super Off Peak AND show which services it thinks it is valid for.
> And the first one it offers has me picking up the 19:05 at St Pancras.
> That’s not a disaster, but its a bit naughty, as the (Southern) ticket
> machine asked what time I was travelling, and I “said” 16:00 and it then
> sold me the Super off peak.
>
>

Off peak (not super off peak) have no evening restrictions out of StP on
Fridays.

Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
> Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
> to a particular train…
>
> Online said “No”
>
> Ticket office man “No”
>
> Ticket machine “Yes”
>
>
> I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
> know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
> online)?
>
> Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
> Harborough leg?

You got a ticket machine to sell you a ticket for 22 Dec? Is this a new
feature? I haven’t needed to buy a ticket for future travel recently (and
most the of the future tickets I buy need things like cycle reservations)
but knowing I could do it at the station without visiting the ticket office
would be an interesting option.

Sam

--
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On 11/12/2023 13:46, Chris Holmes wrote:
> I have just managed to figure out how to get the Trainline web portal to
> offer Super Off Peak AND show which services it thinks it is valid for.
> And the first one it offers has me picking up the 19:05 at St Pancras.
> That’s not a disaster, but its a bit naughty, as the (Southern) ticket
> machine asked what time I was travelling, and I “said” 16:00 and it then
> sold me the Super off peak.
That's also why the ticket office man said "no"!
Ta,
--
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7

In message <610enil9i7denq5ec7hu4ge4ph6ol5ljul@4ax.com>, at 12:30:50 on
Mon, 11 Dec 2023, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:16:05 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>[snip]
>>
>>It looks as if they're not valid from St Pancras from 15:35 until 18:46,
>>so you may have to set off at a different time. The return journey also
>>has morning restrictions.
>>
>><https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=LHD&dest=MHR&rte=200&ldn=1&tkt=SSR>
>
>I was told at one stage that the peak rules apply only to commencement
>of the journey, and not to changes.

Many restrictions in especially the old NSE area apply to "trains
departing $terminus [or arriving at $terminus] between X and Y".
Irrespective of when you boarded the connecting train.

>Specifically, I was told that an off-peak ticket from Kirkcaldy to
>Glasgow would allow a change during the peak period at Haymarket. Maybe
>this is because Haymarket is not a terminus but I thought the same
>rules applied as at Waverley.

Different bit of the country, different rules
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
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>IEJsYWtlJ3MgNw0KDQo=

Fascinating.

On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>> dXN0IG1hbmFnZWQgdG8gZmlndXJlIG91dCBob3cgdG8gZ2V0IHRoZSBUcmFpbmxpbmUgd2Vi
>> IHBvcnRhbCB0bw0KPiBvZmZlciBTdXBlciBPZmYgUGVhayBBTkQgc2hvdyB3aGljaCBzZXJ2
>> aWNlcyBpdCB0aGlua3MgaXQgaXMgdmFsaWQgZm9yLg0KPiBBbmQgdGhlIGZpcnN0IG9uZSBp
>> dCBvZmZlcnMgaGFzIG1lIHBpY2tpbmcgdXAgdGhlIDE5OjA1IGF0IFN0IFBhbmNyYXMuDQo+
>> IFRoYXTigJlzIG5vdCBhIGRpc2FzdGVyLCBidXQgaXRzIGEgYml0IG5hdWdodHksIGFzIHRo
>> ZSAoU291dGhlcm4pIHRpY2tldA0KPiBtYWNoaW5lIGFza2VkIHdoYXQgdGltZSBJIHdhcyB0
>> cmF2ZWxsaW5nLCBhbmQgSSDigJxzYWlk4oCdIDE2OjAwIGFuZCBpdCB0aGVuDQo+IHNvbGQg
>> bWUgdGhlIFN1cGVyIG9mZiBwZWFrLg0KDQpUaGF0J3MgYWxzbyB3aHkgdGhlIHRpY2tldCBv
>> ZmZpY2UgbWFuIHNhaWQgIm5vIiENCg0KVGEsDQotLSANClJvYg0KIkkgaGF2ZSBuZXZlciB1
>> bmRlcnN0b29kIHdoeSBpdCBzaG91bGQgYmUgbmVjZXNzYXJ5IHRvIGJlY29tZSBpcnJhdGlv
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>> IGl0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBuZWNlc3NhcnkgDQp0byBwcm92ZSBpdCBhdCBhbGwuIiAtIEF2b24s
>> IEJsYWtlJ3MgNw0KDQo=
>
> Fascinating.
>

I thought so too, especially the bit about the nun and the rhinocerous.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
> < snip>
> Fascinating.

It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!

--
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7

On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
> < snip>
> Fascinating.

It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!

--
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7

On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
> < snip>
> Fascinating.

It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!

--
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7

On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:32:52 +0000, Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:

>On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
>> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>> < snip>
>> Fascinating.
>
>It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!

And it's not what I received.

Mark

On 12/12/2023 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:32:52 +0000, Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
>>> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>>> < snip>
>>> Fascinating.
>>
>> It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!
>
> And it's not what I received.

I received a block of random-looking characters. I assume that a MIME
header got removed at some stage, preventing automatic decoding in
recipients that didn't spot the problem and reinsert a standard header.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 13:26:30 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

>On 12/12/2023 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:32:52 +0000, Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
>>>> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>>>> < snip>
>>>> Fascinating.
>>>
>>> It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!
>>
>> And it's not what I received.
>
>I received a block of random-looking characters. I assume that a MIME
>header got removed at some stage, preventing automatic decoding in
>recipients that didn't spot the problem and reinsert a standard header.

It came through nwith the correct headers to me:

Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

The last of those is the key one, without that it wouldn't be decoded by the
client. But it was clearly there when it left the sender's system. Looking
back at those who said it arrived as base64, they're all on Eternal
September. So maybe ES managed to strip it, somehow.

Mark

On 12/12/2023 13:42, Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 13:26:30 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2023 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:32:52 +0000, Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
>>>>> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>>>>> < snip>
>>>>> Fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!
>>>
>>> And it's not what I received.
>>
>> I received a block of random-looking characters. I assume that a MIME
>> header got removed at some stage, preventing automatic decoding in
>> recipients that didn't spot the problem and reinsert a standard header.
>
> It came through nwith the correct headers to me:
>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>
> The last of those is the key one, without that it wouldn't be decoded by the
> client. But it was clearly there when it left the sender's system. Looking
> back at those who said it arrived as base64, they're all on Eternal
> September. So maybe ES managed to strip it, somehow.

To be clearer: I received a normal message from Robert, then a valid
message from Muttley quoting random garage. It's the transmission
from Robert to Muttley that lost the headers.

On 12/12/2023 13:42, Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 13:26:30 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2023 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:32:52 +0000, Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
>>>>> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>>>>> < snip>
>>>>> Fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!
>>>
>>> And it's not what I received.
>>
>> I received a block of random-looking characters. I assume that a MIME
>> header got removed at some stage, preventing automatic decoding in
>> recipients that didn't spot the problem and reinsert a standard header.
>
> It came through nwith the correct headers to me:
>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>
> The last of those is the key one, without that it wouldn't be decoded by the
> client. But it was clearly there when it left the sender's system. Looking
> back at those who said it arrived as base64, they're all on Eternal
> September. So maybe ES managed to strip it, somehow.
>
> Mark
It was readable to me - I'm using eternal-september and Thunderbird
MikeR

On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 13:42:38 +0000, Mark Goodge
<usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 13:26:30 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>
>>On 12/12/2023 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:32:52 +0000, Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
>>>>> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>>>>> < snip>
>>>>> Fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!
>>>
>>> And it's not what I received.
>>
>>I received a block of random-looking characters. I assume that a MIME
>>header got removed at some stage, preventing automatic decoding in
>>recipients that didn't spot the problem and reinsert a standard header.
>
>It came through nwith the correct headers to me:

>The last of those is the key one, without that it wouldn't be decoded by the
>client. But it was clearly there when it left the sender's system. Looking
>back at those who said it arrived as base64, they're all on Eternal
>September. So maybe ES managed to strip it, somehow.
>
>Mark

Came through fine from E-S using Forte Agent... though this mania for
Smart Alec signatures is a mystery.

Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 13:26:30 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2023 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:32:52 +0000, Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2023 09:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:02:46 +0000
>>>>> Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> T24gMTEvMTIvMjAyMyAxMzo0NiwgQ2hyaXMgSG9sbWVzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBq
>>>>> < snip>
>>>>> Fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> It is. I'm pretty sure that's not what I intended to send!
>>>
>>> And it's not what I received.
>>
>> I received a block of random-looking characters. I assume that a MIME
>> header got removed at some stage, preventing automatic decoding in
>> recipients that didn't spot the problem and reinsert a standard header.
>
> It came through nwith the correct headers to me:
>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>
> The last of those is the key one, without that it wouldn't be decoded by the
> client. But it was clearly there when it left the sender's system. Looking
> back at those who said it arrived as base64, they're all on Eternal
> September. So maybe ES managed to strip it, somehow.

Robert’s arrived here perfectly readably; NewsTap Lite, Eternal September.

Sam

--
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Spit the dummy to reply

On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:07:07 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

>On 12/12/2023 13:42, Mark Goodge wrote:

>> It came through nwith the correct headers to me:
>>
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>>
>> The last of those is the key one, without that it wouldn't be decoded by the
>> client. But it was clearly there when it left the sender's system. Looking
>> back at those who said it arrived as base64, they're all on Eternal
>> September. So maybe ES managed to strip it, somehow.
>
>To be clearer: I received a normal message from Robert, then a valid
>message from Muttley quoting random garage. It's the transmission
>from Robert to Muttley that lost the headers.

OK. Problem almost certainly at the recipient end, then.

Mark

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
>> Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
>> to a particular train…
>>
>> Online said “No”
>>
>> Ticket office man “No”
>>
>> Ticket machine “Yes”
>>
>>
>> I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
>> know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
>> online)?
>>
>> Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
>> Harborough leg?
>
> You got a ticket machine to sell you a ticket for 22 Dec? Is this a new
> feature? I haven’t needed to buy a ticket for future travel recently (and
> most the of the future tickets I buy need things like cycle reservations)
> but knowing I could do it at the station without visiting the ticket office
> would be an interesting option.
>
> Sam
>

Southern ticket machines have for some years (if not since introduction of
the “modern” machines had a “button” “Tickets for future travel”. But the
only way I was able to get a seat reservation was to go to a station (it
took the guy about 15 minutes! (i’m not sure the original guy I tried to
buy a ticket from would ever have figured it out)).

I suppose it may also be possible to do seat & cycle reservations on the
phone.

Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
>>> Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
>>> to a particular train…
>>>
>>> Online said “No”
>>>
>>> Ticket office man “No”
>>>
>>> Ticket machine “Yes”
>>>
>>>
>>> I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
>>> know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
>>> online)?
>>>
>>> Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
>>> Harborough leg?
>>
>> You got a ticket machine to sell you a ticket for 22 Dec? Is this a new
>> feature? I haven’t needed to buy a ticket for future travel recently (and
>> most the of the future tickets I buy need things like cycle reservations)
>> but knowing I could do it at the station without visiting the ticket office
>> would be an interesting option.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>
>
> Southern ticket machines have for some years (if not since introduction of
> the “modern” machines had a “button” “Tickets for future travel”. But the
> only way I was able to get a seat reservation was to go to a station (it
> took the guy about 15 minutes! (i’m not sure the original guy I tried to
> buy a ticket from would ever have figured it out)).

I’ll look at our local ticket machines more closely next time I travel. I
wasn’t expecting the machine to do the seat or cycle reservations, more
pointing out that on many of my journeys I expect to have to visit the
ticket office anyway.

> I suppose it may also be possible to do seat & cycle reservations on the
> phone.

I think so, but I live close to a large station so it’s not a major
difficulty anyway.

Sam

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Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I Just bought a “cheap” ticket to go up to Market Harborough from
>>> Leatherhead (South of London) on 22nd December. I wanted something not tied
>>> to a particular train…
>>>
>>> Online said “No”
>>>
>>> Ticket office man “No”
>>>
>>> Ticket machine “Yes”
>>>
>>>
>>> I am hoping to set off between 3:30 and 6:00 in the afternoon, does anyone
>>> know if that would be ok on this Super Off Peak (or where I could check
>>> online)?
>>>
>>> Also, is it possible to reserve a seat online for the St Pancras - Market
>>> Harborough leg?
>>
>> You got a ticket machine to sell you a ticket for 22 Dec? Is this a new
>> feature? I haven’t needed to buy a ticket for future travel recently (and
>> most the of the future tickets I buy need things like cycle reservations)
>> but knowing I could do it at the station without visiting the ticket office
>> would be an interesting option.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>
>
> Southern ticket machines have for some years (if not since introduction of
> the “modern” machines had a “button” “Tickets for future travel”. But the
> only way I was able to get a seat reservation was to go to a station (it
> took the guy about 15 minutes! (i’m not sure the original guy I tried to
> buy a ticket from would ever have figured it out)).
>
> I suppose it may also be possible to do seat & cycle reservations on the
> phone.
>
>

Now on the train.

EMR had suspended the after 18 whatever it was rule and so I could have got
the 18:05. but I couldn’t get a seat reservation.

Im on the 19:05 and there are quite a few unreserved seats, so I think
another time I will get on the earlier train and see if I can find one, and
if not, get off and wait for “my” train.

Still, St Pancras isn’t a bad place to while away a couple of hours.