In message <uc6uu1$3c9n3$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:56:01 on Thu, 24 Aug
2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:

>>>>> Often seems to be people who think themselves superior because they
>>>>> 'merge in turn' which they interpret as leaving until the last moment
>>>>> before changing lane rather than preparing in plenty of time.
>>>>
>>>> And against that are those who think themselves superior because they
>>>> changed lanes 2 miles early and refuse to merge with those obeying the
>>>> instructions!
>>>>
>>> Those needing to merge where the cones start have probably already
>>> passed a couple of miles of "lane closed" signs on a motorway.
>>
>> In which case there wouldn't be a "merge in turn", that would usually be
>> shortly before the closed section, never after it.
>
>I have sometimes seen "Use Both Lanes" signs before a lane closure.

I'm never sure how to do that. Zigzag from side to side?

>They’re usually ignored, leaving up to a mile of empty lane before
the >restriction, unused except by a very few who risk the Hard Stares
from the people in the queue.

I drove on a motorway the other week. Probably the M25, for several
miles past where there were "Lane closed" signs on the gantries. Which
the majority of traffic was ignoring completely.
--
Roland Perry

On 24/12/2023 13:09, Roland Perry wrote:
> I drove on a motorway the other week. Probably the M25, for several
> miles past where there were "Lane closed" signs on the gantries. Which
> the majority of traffic was ignoring completely.

From the TV reality series on National Highways, and traffic police,
they do seem to book some of those ignoring the signs. They are often
nearly hit whilst putting cones out.

Those programmes show how dangerous the Killer Motorways are. The
National Highways and police know it but seem to be forbidden from
making any comments about it on the programmes.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 16:43:21 +0000
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 24/12/2023 13:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I drove on a motorway the other week. Probably the M25, for several
>> miles past where there were "Lane closed" signs on the gantries. Which
>> the majority of traffic was ignoring completely.
>
>
> From the TV reality series on National Highways, and traffic police,
>they do seem to book some of those ignoring the signs. They are often
>nearly hit whilst putting cones out.
>
>Those programmes show how dangerous the Killer Motorways are. The
>National Highways and police know it but seem to be forbidden from
>making any comments about it on the programmes.

Perhaps they should use a continental style method of working whereby they
only close off the part of the road they're working on. Here they literally
close off miles and miles and miles and miles and miles of road without a sod
doing anything on it. Then they wonder why drivers get aggressive with the
workers. On the M1 the other year when it was being upgraded they closed off
lanes for something like 20 miles!

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:09:31 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <uc6uu1$3c9n3$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:56:01 on Thu, 24 Aug
>2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>>>> Often seems to be people who think themselves superior because they
>>>>>> 'merge in turn' which they interpret as leaving until the last moment
>>>>>> before changing lane rather than preparing in plenty of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> And against that are those who think themselves superior because they
>>>>> changed lanes 2 miles early and refuse to merge with those obeying the
>>>>> instructions!
>>>>>
>>>> Those needing to merge where the cones start have probably already
>>>> passed a couple of miles of "lane closed" signs on a motorway.
>>>
>>> In which case there wouldn't be a "merge in turn", that would usually be
>>> shortly before the closed section, never after it.
>>
> >I have sometimes seen "Use Both Lanes" signs before a lane closure.
>
>I'm never sure how to do that. Zigzag from side to side?
>
Drive astride the lane markings as the idiots on the A40 in West
London do when they are not hogging lane 2 alone.
<snip>

On 02/01/2024 06:23, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:09:31 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <uc6uu1$3c9n3$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:56:01 on Thu, 24 Aug
>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>>>> Often seems to be people who think themselves superior because they
>>>>>>> 'merge in turn' which they interpret as leaving until the last moment
>>>>>>> before changing lane rather than preparing in plenty of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And against that are those who think themselves superior because they
>>>>>> changed lanes 2 miles early and refuse to merge with those obeying the
>>>>>> instructions!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Those needing to merge where the cones start have probably already
>>>>> passed a couple of miles of "lane closed" signs on a motorway.
>>>>
>>>> In which case there wouldn't be a "merge in turn", that would usually be
>>>> shortly before the closed section, never after it.
>>>
>>> I have sometimes seen "Use Both Lanes" signs before a lane closure.
>>
>> I'm never sure how to do that. Zigzag from side to side?
>>
> Drive astride the lane markings as the idiots on the A40 in West
> London do when they are not hogging lane 2 alone.
> <snip>

It can be the right move when driving something very wide, or moderately
wide on a sharp bend. I've even done it in a car when alone on a very
windy road, so I wouldn't hit anything if a gust blew me off course.

On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 13:21:42 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

>On 02/01/2024 06:23, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:09:31 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <uc6uu1$3c9n3$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:56:01 on Thu, 24 Aug
>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Often seems to be people who think themselves superior because they
>>>>>>>> 'merge in turn' which they interpret as leaving until the last moment
>>>>>>>> before changing lane rather than preparing in plenty of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And against that are those who think themselves superior because they
>>>>>>> changed lanes 2 miles early and refuse to merge with those obeying the
>>>>>>> instructions!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those needing to merge where the cones start have probably already
>>>>>> passed a couple of miles of "lane closed" signs on a motorway.
>>>>>
>>>>> In which case there wouldn't be a "merge in turn", that would usually be
>>>>> shortly before the closed section, never after it.
>>>>
>>>> I have sometimes seen "Use Both Lanes" signs before a lane closure.
>>>
>>> I'm never sure how to do that. Zigzag from side to side?
>>>
>> Drive astride the lane markings as the idiots on the A40 in West
>> London do when they are not hogging lane 2 alone.
>> <snip>
>
>It can be the right move when driving something very wide,
>
NA to a chav wagon or family car. The last one to use all lanes on
this bit killed his passenger, lost a leg and is now doing 7 years.
Lorries and similar are a different proposition.

>or moderately wide on a sharp bend.
>
6 lane A40? The bends on this 40mph stretch are only "sharp" if you
are in a Range Rover (bad start already, apparently) doing over a ton
(see previous and above).

>I've even done it in a car when alone on a very
>windy road, so I wouldn't hit anything if a gust blew me off course.
>
Even then you can still get hit by a random heavier gust so slowing
down and letting the kamikaze club go whizzing past seems to work
best.