There was a link in another list to KV2/3324 in The National Archive, it
has a slight railway connection - sure the communist Union Barons in the
railway unions would be proud of their comrades.

It tells of an English woman in a Gulag (there were quite a number)

But one afternoon, in the street on her way home from school. she was
arrested by the M.V.D.—the secret police — and accused of falsifying
history.

She had actually told her pupils that the locomotive was invented by an
Englishman called George Stephenson — and not by a Russian. as Soviet
schoolchildren were taught to believe!

For this appalling "crime." Kathleen was sentenced to 25 years at Abez.
But the most fantastic thing about Kathleen Barnes was that when I met
her she was still a fervent Communist.

On 01/01/2024 15:34, JMB99 wrote:
> There was a link in another list to KV2/3324 in The National Archive, it
> has a slight railway connection - sure the communist Union Barons in the
> railway unions would be proud of their comrades.
>
> It tells of an English woman in a Gulag (there were quite a number)
>
>
> But one afternoon, in the street on her way home from school. she was
> arrested by the M.V.D.—the secret police — and accused of falsifying
> history.
>
> She had actually told her pupils that the locomotive was invented by an
> Englishman called George Stephenson — and not by a Russian. as Soviet
> schoolchildren were taught to believe!
>
> For this appalling "crime." Kathleen was sentenced to 25 years at Abez.
> But the most fantastic thing about Kathleen Barnes was that when I met
> her she was still a fervent Communist.

Though, of course, Stephenson didn't invent the locomotive.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 01/01/2024 15:34, JMB99 wrote:
> There was a link in another list to KV2/3324 in The National Archive, it
> has a slight railway connection - sure the communist Union Barons in the
> railway unions would be proud of their comrades.
>
> It tells of an English woman in a Gulag (there were quite a number)
>
>
> But one afternoon, in the street on her way home from school. she was
> arrested by the M.V.D.—the secret police — and accused of falsifying
> history.
>
> She had actually told her pupils that the locomotive was invented by an
> Englishman called George Stephenson — and not by a Russian. as Soviet
> schoolchildren were taught to believe!
>
> For this appalling "crime." Kathleen was sentenced to 25 years at Abez.
> But the most fantastic thing about Kathleen Barnes was that when I met
> her she was still a fervent Communist.

Many years ago, as a student, we were shown a Russian film about science
/ technology. Cannot remember much about the contents, except that
Russians were claimed to have invented almost everything - before the
revolution.

I did wonder at the time - if everything had been so brilliant, why did
they need a revolution and communists.

On 01/01/2024 16:12, Bevan Price wrote:
> Many years ago, as a student, we were shown a Russian film about science
> / technology. Cannot remember much about the contents, except that
> Russians were claimed to have invented almost everything - before the
> revolution.
>
> I did wonder at the time - if everything had been so brilliant, why did
> they need a revolution and communists.

Few things were 'invented' by one person and there are many incorrect
claims made with often powerful lobbies making the claims. Logie Baird
obviously did not 'invent' television and Watson-Watt did not 'invent'
radar but most Scots think they did.

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> There was a link in another list to KV2/3324 in The National Archive, it
> has a slight railway connection - sure the communist Union Barons in the
> railway unions would be proud of their comrades.
>
> It tells of an English woman in a Gulag (there were quite a number)
>
>
> But one afternoon, in the street on her way home from school. she was
> arrested by the M.V.D.—the secret police — and accused of falsifying
> history.
>
> She had actually told her pupils that the locomotive was invented by an
> Englishman called George Stephenson — and not by a Russian. as Soviet
> schoolchildren were taught to believe!
>
> For this appalling "crime." Kathleen was sentenced to 25 years at Abez.
> But the most fantastic thing about Kathleen Barnes was that when I met
> her she was still a fervent Communist.
>

Reminds me of a snippet in the Big Red Train ride by Eric Newby when he
undertook a journey on the Trans Siberian Railway in the Soviet Era.
Cannot remember the exact details but the Gist was his minder was
explaining the restrictions on photographing structures such as viaducts .
The Eric Newby pointed out that the TSR was largely
engineered by an American some time before the revolution and a book on the
construction of it with many photos published in the early 1900’s was
freely available in the libaries of the west .

GH

On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 16:12:52 +0000, Bevan Price
<bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 01/01/2024 15:34, JMB99 wrote:
>> There was a link in another list to KV2/3324 in The National Archive, it
>> has a slight railway connection - sure the communist Union Barons in the
>> railway unions would be proud of their comrades.
>>
>> It tells of an English woman in a Gulag (there were quite a number)
>>
>>
>> But one afternoon, in the street on her way home from school. she was
>> arrested by the M.V.D.—the secret police — and accused of falsifying
>> history.
>>
>> She had actually told her pupils that the locomotive was invented by an
>> Englishman called George Stephenson — and not by a Russian. as Soviet
>> schoolchildren were taught to believe!
>>
>> For this appalling "crime." Kathleen was sentenced to 25 years at Abez.
>> But the most fantastic thing about Kathleen Barnes was that when I met
>> her she was still a fervent Communist.
>
>Many years ago, as a student, we were shown a Russian film about science
>/ technology. Cannot remember much about the contents, except that
>Russians were claimed to have invented almost everything - before the
>revolution.
>
Clearly incorrect. Everyone[TM] knows the Yanks invented everything.
<snip>

On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 11:32:24 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 01/01/2024 16:12, Bevan Price wrote:
>> Many years ago, as a student, we were shown a Russian film about science
>> / technology. Cannot remember much about the contents, except that
>> Russians were claimed to have invented almost everything - before the
>> revolution.
>>
>> I did wonder at the time - if everything had been so brilliant, why did
>> they need a revolution and communists.
>
>
>
>Few things were 'invented' by one person and there are many incorrect
>claims made with often powerful lobbies making the claims. Logie Baird
>obviously did not 'invent' television and Watson-Watt did not 'invent'
>radar but most Scots think they did.
>
Invention on this side of the pond generally counts from the first
practical demonstration not from when someone first worked on the
idea. Baird was the first to successfully transmit a picture; Philo
Farnsworth gets credited in the USA but he was the first to come up
with a working all-electronic system while both had been working on
their systems for years. Then there is also Vladimir Zworykin and the
cathose ray tube so he had to be ignored by the filthy
capitalists[TM].

Watson-Watt's credit is not for inventing radar rather than devising a
usable version of it.
Similar disputed credits exist for other matters such as who invented
a working/usable incandescent lamp.

It gets worse in the medical world where the credit often goes to the
boss rather than his team who did all the donkey work or made the
actual discovery.

On 03/01/2024 01:29, Charles Ellson wrote:

>>
> Clearly incorrect. Everyone[TM] knows the Yanks invented everything.
> <snip>

;-)

--
Colin