YTC#1 wrote:

> On 24/03/2024 10:19, GeoffC wrote:
> > YTC#1 wrote:
> >
> > > On 23/03/2024 12:30, GeoffC wrote:
> > > > fluffycat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Asking for a friend (no, really - I don't live in England any
> > > > > more).
> > > > >
> > > > > What can one use to prove one's identity?
> > > > >
> > > > > Three "proofs" of ID required for some officialdom. $Friend
> > > > > has two which are acceptable (passport and birth
> > > > > certificate[0]). He doesn't have a driving licence (sorry to
> > > > > upset you).
> > > > >
> > > > > Officiousdom rejects printouts of utility bills, bank
> > > > > statements, etc., and of course he does everything online.
> > > > > Bank will send a paper statement but it takes too long.
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to dream of proof using DNA, so when asked for my ID I
> > > > > could bite my cheek and spit in their face.
> > > > >
> > > > > [0] Birth certificate, ha! Proof of nothing except someone or
> > > > > other was born then, there, to named parent(s), and given a
> > > > > name. You can buy anyone's certificate from the Registry.
> > > >
> > > > Can't help thinking that introducing ID cards would have made
> > > > everything a whole lot simpler.
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Cards_Act_2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > That led to https://www.no2id.net/
> > >
> > > I'm sure that if the Gov had tried to introduce it in a more
> > > stepped way, then it may have made it.
> > >
> > > We accept passports and driving licences[1], but I think "mission
> > > creep" helped kill it as more and more "entitlements" were added.
> > >
> > > [1] Well, ok, I know 1 person who still refuses to get a photo
> > > driving licence.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, were you for or against the 2006 proposals?
> > I remember at the time it being depicted by opponents as Big Brother
> > etc.
> >
> >
>
> I was against, I felt it went to far.

And if they introduced the same proposals tomorrow would you still
think that? bearing in mind that since then biometrics have become
reliably available.

--

Geoff
NTV650

GeoffC wrote:

> YTC#1 wrote:
>
> > On 24/03/2024 10:19, GeoffC wrote:
> > > YTC#1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 23/03/2024 12:30, GeoffC wrote:
> > > > > fluffycat wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Asking for a friend (no, really - I don't live in England
> > > > > > any more).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What can one use to prove one's identity?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Three "proofs" of ID required for some officialdom. $Friend
> > > > > > has two which are acceptable (passport and birth
> > > > > > certificate[0]). He doesn't have a driving licence (sorry to
> > > > > > upset you).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Officiousdom rejects printouts of utility bills, bank
> > > > > > statements, etc., and of course he does everything online.
> > > > > > Bank will send a paper statement but it takes too long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I used to dream of proof using DNA, so when asked for my ID
> > > > > > I could bite my cheek and spit in their face.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [0] Birth certificate, ha! Proof of nothing except someone
> > > > > > or other was born then, there, to named parent(s), and
> > > > > > given a name. You can buy anyone's certificate from the
> > > > > > Registry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can't help thinking that introducing ID cards would have made
> > > > > everything a whole lot simpler.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Cards_Act_2006
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That led to https://www.no2id.net/
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure that if the Gov had tried to introduce it in a more
> > > > stepped way, then it may have made it.
> > > >
> > > > We accept passports and driving licences[1], but I think
> > > > "mission creep" helped kill it as more and more "entitlements"
> > > > were added.
> > > >
> > > > [1] Well, ok, I know 1 person who still refuses to get a photo
> > > > driving licence.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, were you for or against the 2006 proposals?
> > > I remember at the time it being depicted by opponents as Big
> > > Brother etc.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I was against, I felt it went to far.
>
> And if they introduced the same proposals tomorrow would you still
> think that? bearing in mind that since then biometrics have become
> reliably available.

If they introduce identity cards, you woud need to prove your identity
to get one. Very circular.

In message <utq8c9$k8hl$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:10:17 on Sun, 24 Mar
2024, David Jones <dajhawk18xx@?.com.invalid> remarked:

>>if they introduced the same proposals tomorrow would you still
>> think that? bearing in mind that since then biometrics have become
>> reliably available.
>
>If they introduce identity cards, you woud need to prove your identity
>to get one. Very circular.

But you only have to do that once, and it's not time-sensitive.
--
Roland Perry