Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre

https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_to_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm

On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>
> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_to_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm

I wonder how long it will survive?

Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
"preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.

Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>
>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_to_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>
>
> I wonder how long it will survive?
>
> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.

Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
limits their earning potential. As static museum pieces, they cost money to
preserve, with little or no customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless
they have some sentimental value or national significance, who will pay the
net cost?

In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>
>>>
>>>https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>
>>
>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>
>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>
>Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>limits their earning potential.

Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
track?

>As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?

In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
conversions.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>
>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>
>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>> limits their earning potential.
>
> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
> track?
>
>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>
> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
> conversions.

I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in the
scenery than the vehicle they are riding in.
Then engage some good marketing that promotes the green side of the
operation with no dirty diesel
emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .

GH

In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>
>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>
>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>> limits their earning potential.
>>
>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>> track?
>>
>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>
>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>> conversions.
>
>I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .

Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.

I suppose a "museum" can have just one exhibit, but even the most lame
preservation societies usually have two or more.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>
>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>> track?
>>>
>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>
>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>> conversions.
>>
>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>
> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.

The latter wouldn't be needed.

Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>
>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>
>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>> limits their earning potential.
>>
>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>> track?
>>
>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>
>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>> conversions.
>
> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in the
> scenery than the vehicle they are riding in.
> Then engage some good marketing that promotes the green side of the
> operation with no dirty diesel
> emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .

This thread got me wondering what had happened to another preserved EMU
fleet which were briefly in the news in 2020, but then went quiet: the IoW
class 483 (nee 1938TS). I recalled that it was planned to run them on the
EOR using battery power, but wondered why we'd heard nothing more. This is
what I found:

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2023/11/project-483-appeals-for-funds-to-repaint-class-483-train-in-island-line-toothpaste-livery.html

Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in the
> scenery than the vehicle they are riding in.
> Then engage some good marketing that promotes the green side of the
> operation with no dirty diesel
> emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .

I think there's a good scope to build a modular battery pack to fit in a Mk1
guard's compartment and provide traction supply. Pick an 800V architecture
EV, repackage the batteries and control system into modules which will fit
in a Mk1, fit new cooling and a charging connector.

There are already projects which will talk to an EV battery (eg Nissan Leaf)
and use it unmodified for stationary storage - not sure if any 800V batteries
are supported yet but give it time. Alternatively you can double up 400V
batteries. That means it's mostly a matter of packaging and safety
protections (EVs are already pretty good here).

A scrap Ioniq 5 battery (800V) is currently £7500 on ebay, a Tesla pack is
about £6k.

800V would power a 750V (nominal) DC EMU. For AC EMUs, don't many of them
have a 750V DC bus?

Theo

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in the
>> scenery than the vehicle they are riding in.
>> Then engage some good marketing that promotes the green side of the
>> operation with no dirty diesel
>> emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>
> I think there's a good scope to build a modular battery pack to fit in a Mk1
> guard's compartment and provide traction supply. Pick an 800V architecture
> EV, repackage the batteries and control system into modules which will fit
> in a Mk1, fit new cooling and a charging connector.
>
> There are already projects which will talk to an EV battery (eg Nissan Leaf)
> and use it unmodified for stationary storage - not sure if any 800V batteries
> are supported yet but give it time. Alternatively you can double up 400V
> batteries. That means it's mostly a matter of packaging and safety
> protections (EVs are already pretty good here).
>
> A scrap Ioniq 5 battery (800V) is currently £7500 on ebay, a Tesla pack is
> about £6k.
>
> 800V would power a 750V (nominal) DC EMU. For AC EMUs, don't many of them
> have a 750V DC bus?
>
> Theo
>

Wouldn’t safety approvals be prohibitively expensive?

On 01/04/2024 11:27, Theo wrote:
> I think there's a good scope to build a modular battery pack to fit in a Mk1
> guard's compartment and provide traction supply. Pick an 800V architecture
> EV, repackage the batteries and control system into modules which will fit
> in a Mk1, fit new cooling and a charging connector.

The 507 that is being preserved has been mentioned in the rail press
that it could run with a battery pack. The Preservers have rose tinted
glasses on,like the majority of preserved loco/unit Owners, they havent
got any money, and fitting such a battery pack will be non-trivial and
expensive.
Keeping a small diesel loco in good running condition is a large job,
keeping a 2/3 or 4 car MU going is far more difficult. Their best
solution would be to use it as loco hauled stock. At least it'll be used
then.
Even a team of professional fitters, who worked on the original 4VEP
units, and have access to all the original maintenance equipment cannot
get their 4VEP unit running on the mainline yet. They've restored it to
near running condition, but adding the safety equipment required is
currently beyond them. They are hoping to get some redundant TPWS, et
al, kit from more modern units that will be scrapped in the future, as
they cannot afford to buy new (£100k+ new). Running it on an heritage
line will not happen, as, well, there are no electrified preserved
railways, and unlikely to be within the next 40 years, if ever. In the
meantime, it'll be used as hauled stock, just as it was when unvelied at
Waterloo recently.
On the plus side, the Hastings Unit has had a tremendous last few years,
and continues to sell out whenever it is used, but it does have the
advantage of already being a DEMU.

On 01/04/2024 10:32, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>
>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with
>>>>> nowhere
>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at
>>>>> least
>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which
>>>> severely
>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>> track?
>>>
>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>
>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>> conversions.
>>
>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>
> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>
> I suppose a "museum" can have just one exhibit, but even the most lame
> preservation societies usually have two or more.

There are actually quite a few preservation societies that only have one
exhibit. eg groups set up to preserve a particular locomotive/aircraft/ship.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>> track?
>>>>
>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>
>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>> conversions.
>>>
>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>
>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>
>The latter wouldn't be needed.

Why?

--
Roland Perry

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > I think there's a good scope to build a modular battery pack to fit in a Mk1
> > guard's compartment and provide traction supply. Pick an 800V architecture
> > EV, repackage the batteries and control system into modules which will fit
> > in a Mk1, fit new cooling and a charging connector.
>
> Wouldn’t safety approvals be prohibitively expensive?

You wouldn't be running it on the main line (there is already 3rd rail
or OHLE there), so this would only be for preserved railways.

You would need to ensure no staff or members of the public could come into
contact with the traction supply - isolate it from the shoegear and any
exposed electrical parts (with no third rail they aren't needed anyway).
EVs are already good at isolating themselves when off, being worked on, or
in case of an accident. You would need to write procedures for those.

You also would need some protection in case of fire - fire alarms and
auto-isolation. I think diesels already have such things. You'd need a
fire protocol ('call the fire brigade and say...') and an evacuation
procedure.

The traction system would need electrical testing (insulation resistance,
earth leakage, load currents) and values confirmed to be nominal.

What other safety approvals would you need? A BEMU isn't too different to
running a DEMU or diesel-electric locomotive in preservation - all have
high voltage DC traction power to consider. But most of the safety
protocols would be similar I'd have thought.

Theo

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>> track?
>>>>>
>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>> conversions.
>>>>
>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>
>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>
>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>
> Why?

A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.

On 01/04/2024 22:01, Recliner wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>>>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>
>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>
>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>
>> Why?
>
> A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.
>

They'd need some form of charger kit, presumably a car charger could be
modded to suit.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 22:01, Recliner wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>>>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>>>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>>>>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.
>>
>
> They'd need some form of charger kit, presumably a car charger could be
> modded to suit.

Yes.

The key thing is that they wouldn't need a 1000 amp rapid charger. They
could spend, say, 10-15 minutes charging at each end of the route (or just
one end on shorter lines). It'll still be quicker than running a loco round
and watering it.

GWR will have sort of simple depot charger for its BEMU(s), probably in
Reading

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:16:47 +0100, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 01/04/2024 22:01, Recliner wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>>>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>>>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>>>>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.
>>
>
>They'd need some form of charger kit, presumably a car charger could be
>modded to suit.
>
What voltage do they need? If they work at around 700-800 volts and
there is a local 33kV supply available then there is maybe an ongoing
assured supply from scrapped EMUs.

In message <pgFON.36294$lu2.18136@fx15.ams1>, at 21:01:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and
>>>>>>>>with nowhere to let them work, money runs out, they get
>>>>>>>>neglected, and sadly at least some of the coaches go for scrap.
>>>>>>>>As is happening to the once "preserved" class 503. One coach
>>>>>>>>being saved, the other two coaches as rusting hulks, last seen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power,
>>>>>>>which severely limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>
>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>
>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>
>> Why?
>
>A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.

I suppose that if in service an overnight charge might last all day,
depending on the length of each trip.

On a wider point, do battery EMUs all have a "slow charge" socket on
them?
--
Roland Perry

On 01/04/2024 22:44, Recliner wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/04/2024 22:01, Recliner wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and with nowhere
>>>>>>>>>> to let them work, money runs out, they get neglected, and sadly at least
>>>>>>>>>> some of the coaches go for scrap. As is happening to the once
>>>>>>>>>> "preserved" class 503. One coach being saved, the other two coaches as
>>>>>>>>>> rusting hulks, last seen dumped in a yard near Stoke On Trent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power, which severely
>>>>>>>>> limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.
>>>
>>
>> They'd need some form of charger kit, presumably a car charger could be
>> modded to suit.
>
> Yes.
>
> The key thing is that they wouldn't need a 1000 amp rapid charger. They
> could spend, say, 10-15 minutes charging at each end of the route (or just
> one end on shorter lines). It'll still be quicker than running a loco round
> and watering it.
>
> GWR will have sort of simple depot charger for its BEMU(s), probably in
> Reading
>
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:37:13 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <pgFON.36294$lu2.18136@fx15.ams1>, at 21:01:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and
>>>>>>>>>with nowhere to let them work, money runs out, they get
>>>>>>>>>neglected, and sadly at least some of the coaches go for scrap.
>>>>>>>>>As is happening to the once "preserved" class 503. One coach
>>>>>>>>>being saved, the other two coaches as rusting hulks, last seen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power,
>>>>>>>>which severely limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with little or no
>>>>>>>> customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they have some sentimental
>>>>>>>> value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>>A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.
>
>I suppose that if in service an overnight charge might last all day,
>depending on the length of each trip.

They could do a 15 minute top-up after each trip (or return trip on a short line).

>
>On a wider point, do battery EMUs all have a "slow charge" socket on
>them?

Well, there aren't enough BEMUs to generalise, but it seems highly likely.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> On a wider point, do battery EMUs all have a "slow charge" socket on
> them?

The Vivarail one does, because it goes 'on tour' to depots that aren't
fitted with the fast charging apparatus. Not sure what kind of supply that
is, but maybe a 3 phase Commando (IEC 60309) plug in 32A or 63A variant is
common in industrial premises?

I don't know whether the unit contains the AC charger within it, or it's
a separate bit of kit that needs to be moved to the depot (either on the
train or separately), but I'd guess the former.

Theo

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> On a wider point, do battery EMUs all have a "slow charge" socket on
>> them?
>
> The Vivarail one does, because it goes 'on tour' to depots that aren't
> fitted with the fast charging apparatus. Not sure what kind of supply that
> is, but maybe a 3 phase Commando (IEC 60309) plug in 32A or 63A variant is
> common in industrial premises?
>
> I don't know whether the unit contains the AC charger within it, or it's
> a separate bit of kit that needs to be moved to the depot (either on the
> train or separately), but I'd guess the former.
>

Apparently they've set up an overnight charger in West Ealing sidings.

In message <6uun0jtkdlukpqpv53coml4ls1pf5ncea2@4ax.com>, at 13:37:47 on
Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:37:13 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <pgFON.36294$lu2.18136@fx15.ams1>, at 21:01:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on
>>>>>>>>Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and
>>>>>>>>>>with nowhere to let them work, money runs out, they get
>>>>>>>>>>neglected, and sadly at least some of the coaches go for scrap.
>>>>>>>>>>As is happening to the once "preserved" class 503. One coach
>>>>>>>>>>being saved, the other two coaches as rusting hulks, last seen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power,
>>>>>>>>>which severely limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with
>>>>>>>>>little or no customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they
>>>>>>>>>have some sentimental value or national significance, who will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>>A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.
>>
>>I suppose that if in service an overnight charge might last all day,
>>depending on the length of each trip.
>
>They could do a 15 minute top-up after each trip (or return trip on a
>short line).

Manually plugging them that often seems like a huge faff.

>>On a wider point, do battery EMUs all have a "slow charge" socket on
>>them?
>
>Well, there aren't enough BEMUs to generalise, but it seems highly likely.

--
Roland Perry

In message <zlWON.79125$au2.50155@fx12.ams1>, at 16:27:11 on Tue, 2 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <6uun0jtkdlukpqpv53coml4ls1pf5ncea2@4ax.com>, at 13:37:47 on
>> Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:37:13 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <pgFON.36294$lu2.18136@fx15.ams1>, at 21:01:09 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <uovON.8359$jC2.443@fx06.ams1>, at 09:47:06 on Mon, 1 Apr
>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <l6v8scF8g0cU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:17:16 on
>>>>>>>>Mon, 1 Apr
>>>>>>>> 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <THlON.20797$2G2.10163@fx07.ams1>, at 22:45:07 on
>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 31 Mar
>>>>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2024 00:44, Yenc-PP-A&A wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merseyrail 507001 to be preserved at Tanat Railway Centre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/Merseyrail_507001_t
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o_be_preserved_at_Tanat_Railway_Centre-55069075.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how long it will survive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other EMUs have been "preserved", but that costs money, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> with nowhere to let them work, money runs out, they get
>>>>>>>>>>>> neglected, and sadly at least some of the coaches go for scrap.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As is happening to the once "preserved" class 503. One coach
>>>>>>>>>>>> being saved, the other two coaches as rusting hulks, last seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's hard to run preserved EMUs under their own power,
>>>>>>>>>>> which severely limits their earning potential.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone should start a museum adjacent to the Old Dalby test
>>>>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As static museum pieces, they cost money to preserve, with
>>>>>>>>>>> little or no customer revenue to offset the costs. Unless they
>>>>>>>>>>> have some sentimental value or national significance, who
>>>>>>>>>>>will pay the net cost?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the future the same problem may arise with quirky battery
>>>>>>>>>> conversions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could see a quirky battery conversion being used on some of our more
>>>>>>>>> scenic Heritage railways where many passengers are more interested in
>>>>>>>>> the scenery than the vehicle they are riding in. Then engage some good
>>>>>>>>> marketing that promotes the green side of the operation with no dirty
>>>>>>>>> diesel emissions or reduced use of Steam locomotives .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thus just one quirky conversion being preserved, along with incurring
>>>>>>>> the overheads of installing its quirky recharging infrastructure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The latter wouldn't be needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> A preserved line wouldn't need the rapid charger kit.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose that if in service an overnight charge might last all day,
>>>> depending on the length of each trip.
>>>
>>> They could do a 15 minute top-up after each trip (or return trip on a
>>> short line).
>>
>> Manually plugging them that often seems like a huge faff.
>
>The 230 BMU could probably do several return trips on one charge. So it
>might only need one recharge at lunchtime on a typical heritage line.
>
>In any case, it's far less faff than running a steam engine round and
>watering it after every trip, with coal top-ups from time to time.

They don't water the steam engines after every trip!

Running an engine around is part of the spectacle and where most of the
photos get taken), which plugging in a charger is unlikely to be.
--
Roland Perry