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uk.railway

Posted: 8 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-61983118>

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

Hunting through a box of odds and ends I discovered an Accurist watch I bought with my first BBC salary in 1969! Sadly it doesn't seem to work any more.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

Mechanical or electrical? Not sure whether they still have mechanical movements in stock. That I didn't know about. My last service was done by the last surviving watchmaker in Southampton, now retired.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 27 Minutes ago by: MB

Some years ago I bought a Tissot automatic, I was surprised at the poor accuracy got it checked out. I was surprised how poor the specification of accuracy was.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 30 Minutes ago by: MB

A previous Seiko watch of mine died and sent away for "repair" (they seem to usually just stick a new movement in the watch). They quoted a price but offered a very good discount on a discontinued model - there was a special catalogue

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

I didn't realise Clive had changed his name by Deed Poll to Andrew Hunter.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

You often have to dig a little deeper into the system to find it. Try tapping on the time at your local bus stop and you should get a map showing where the bus actually is and how late it is running. So they lack the means to display

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

But wasn't a wedding present from your wife :-) The thing is, I have the watch, it works well so why change it? When it finally packs up I will probably be in the market for something like yours but until then I'm happy with it.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 30 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 36 Minutes ago by: Clank

That is the ancient version of chip-and-PIN still used in the UK (and indeed the reason why - almost uniquely - in the UK if you exceed the contactless limit you have to stick your card in the machine instead of just entering the PIN.) "

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Not always, just checked my closest bus stop and it just the aspirational times. For balance I just checked the bus stop closest to where I was living (busy city area) in the Midlands 10yrs ago, same answer. Perhaps you could nominate

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 44 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

On your phone? A what granularity - different on Tuesdays and Fridays for a specific service, or just a long-term eyeball from a guard, or even loading sensors?

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 46 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Which was right though? I could show you things downloaded from bus and train company websites that are nevertheless years out of date. Or contradictory - like the three different versions of where m-tickeing is available that were on

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Recliner

I have a slim analogue watch that shows the day and date, with (not very) luminous hands and markers (plus a light). It's solar powered, radio controlled and very light, thanks to a titanium case and strap. The sapphire crystal also makes

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 55 Minutes ago by: Clank

The Dacia Spring will be a touch more expensive but significantly more useful: <https://heycar.co.uk/blog/n2022-dacia-spring-electric--price--specs-and-relea> Don't think there's a RHD version yet, but hopefully... I saw one out in the

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

Never been that impressed by Rolex, I've heard lots of stories like yours about them. The thing about my Seiko and Ken's Omega is that they weren't particularly luxury items, though more expensive than Timex for instance. They were goo

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Recliner

I had a boss once who had an expensive Rolex. It was often off for servicing; if not, it was always wrong. But when it was being serviced, he used a cheap digital watch, which was, of course, accurate and much more functional. He also use

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Recliner

Fair enough. I must admit I was surprised at the pronounced modal shift from HEx to taxis/minicabs in recent years. I wonder if that's because of Uber and its ilk? It could be that regular Uber customers just automatically call up an Ub

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Hours 33 Minutes ago by: Recliner

Yes, though the HS2 buffer stops will be very close to the SSL platforms. That's because the Thameslink platforms migrated from the southeastern corner of the site to the far northwestern corner. They were previously quite close to the

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

I believe first bus have that info available on their app, at least for some areas. Haven't checked it personally but I've seen the adds on their buses.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Hours 45 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Whenever I ride a bus/tram after searching for that journey in Google maps, I get a pop-up in the app with questions about how full the journey is, what facilities are on board etc. (Sometimes I also get that question even if I didn't a

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours ago by: Bob

Thameslink doesn't offer AP fares, so if you have an AP fare, it will be for a train starting/ending at either StP or KGX, meaning the gateline at SPILL solves the problem. Robin

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 3 Minutes ago by: Bob

You specifically chose to use the example of Ealing Broadway to Paddington on a paper ticket, then changing ones mind to extend the journey. I was just exploring how passengers with different levels of familiarity, confidence and cap

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 3 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Hold it guys, you’re arguing past each other. It’s certainly a fact that HEx was seen as alternative to taxis when it was planned; it’s one of the ways they justified the high fare. Whether replacing taxis was a formal planning re

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

The thing is, the surface stations are inevitably somewhat to the north of the Circle line, just like MML at StP. Yes, they probably could, like KGX/StP is an amalgam of four tube stations (with three ticket halls) and six heavy rail

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

Same with my 1977 Seiko automatic. If and when it needs anther service it would be cheaper to buy a Apple Watch!

Re: OT: Second fatal Amtrak collision this week (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

But are they hotter than the hottest thing in the universe, namely the jam in school dinner jam roly poly pudding? Sam

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

The info is generally available, eg bustimes.org shows how late a given bus is. So it is just lack of room on the display, not some vast conspiracy to hide things from the sage of Ely.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 14 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Yes. For some of us there’s a rite of passage moment when raindrops keep falling on your head and no longer on your hair. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 15 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

I don’t use the fingerprint sensor on my phone, but it’s on the back and if I hold the phone in my left hand the side wake button is under my thumb and the sensor is in reach, but not immediately under, my index finger. Sam

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 18 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

That'll presumably be a subset of their how-busy-is-the-shop-each-hour system, and will rely on sufficient number of people on the bus the past weeks and months having built up a history, from their trackable phones. How they normalise

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 19 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

That sounds like the equivalent of bus-stop PIS where hh:mm means "that's what the timetable says, but we have no idea where the bus actually is", versus "3 min" which means "We think we know the bus is 3 minutes away (but who knows

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Ken

The problem is solved as you can get (one) replacement for a season ticket. But I suppose it's a bit late to try to change any system requiring paper or a ticket office. BTW, is GwR the only operator that allows you to buy ALRRs online?

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Rolf Mantel

This reminds me of our holidays. My son insisted there was no bus back because Google said so. My downloaded PDF timetable did not count because it said 2019 on it, even though Ihad downloaded it directly from the bus company's web s

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: Recliner

I believe they're very popular, particularly with teenagers.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

I wouldn’t want to climb Arthur’s Seat with my hands in my pockets, and a January or February blizzard would probably be colder, but each to their own! Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 24 Minutes ago by: Ken

That was me, and I find it more convenient to use my index fingers to unlock.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Ken

Now you're boasting.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 26 Minutes ago by: Ken

Neither will I. My 1977 Omega automatic, a gift from my grandfather in the days when Omega were decent but not a 'lifestyle' watch, has every feature I need (time AND date) and it looks much better than any smart watch. Mind you, its

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Ken

I think it's a security feature. My phone was playing up recently when on a day out to the point that I could hardly read the screen, so I reset it. I'm not sure I had any choice but it's not a step to take lightly. I restored all apps

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Rolf Mantel

I remember Arthur's seat in a blizzard in autumn. Warm coat was necessary, scarf would have been useful, glvoes or mittens might hve been useful if I'd attempted to take some photos or things like that; as it was, the hands were happi

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Recliner

Huh? See below. Your regular repetition of an untrue marketing claim does not turn it into a 'basic fact'. HEx is an increasingly unpopular mode of public transit, and not remotely equivalent to a taxi. It's no surprise that it's don

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 38 Minutes ago by: Rolf Mantel

IIRC, this haqs been available on the Paris car-sharing market a couple of years already. I saw one in Aix-en-Provence a couple of weeks ago, parking next to my car as I was waiting for my family to finish their shopping trip (parked

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 53 Minutes ago by: Ken

Again, thank you for pointing out a feature I was unaware of; that is the second click to get earlier times. I still find Maps astonishing in its scope, even to the point of having a decent guess at telling you how full your bus will b

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 59 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

One of my banking apps requires the card's PIN to authorise certain payments and transactions. The other requires a code specific to the phone app. That's unrelated to the query occupying the rest of this thread, btw; just a side observ

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 21 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

Funnily enough, on the phone that dare not speak its name (to Roland at least) that happens seamlessly.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Which simply proves that despite being the biggest and most successful IT company on the planet, they still can't find people to design satisfactory user interfaces.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

^^^^^^^^^^^^ The reported situation at 7.30 am ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <DEEP BREATH>> It said that *later* in the day. When I was posting contemporaneously, at 7.30 in the morning, it was saying cancelled "Issue with train crew" Thanks. I'

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 24 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

Never seen them say anything but "Due", but then I haven't taken a train though the Ely triangle in 50 years.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

In message <1IKdnT3ZZMkG7ib_nZ2dnUU7-KHNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 22:33:14 on Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> remarked: And there is of course a reason why sad anoraks might want to know, for example if seeki

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

I tend to broadly agree, although that doesn't stop usual suspects haranguing us all saying how easy it is to research unfamiliar routes in foreign places, ahead of arriving there by plane.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 34 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

This reminds me of the generation of PIS perhaps 15yrs ago which counted down how many minutes until the train was expected to arrive. If it got to "two minutes", then a minute later 'updated' to "two minutes", then a minute later 'up

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: Muttley

How magnanimus of them.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

It absolutely is. It's their stated reason for building the line in the first place, and met its targets. Expansion at Heathrow was decreed by the planners to be predicated upon on controlling the pollution from road traffic, and black

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 43 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Because (just one rather obvious case) I have an AP ticket, which isn't available to Z1/2 tube stations. Or a walk-up ticket to London Terminals, and the expectation of using contactless for roaming around having got there. Not a del

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 54 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Like they committed to opening EL in 2019, and to roll out proper weekly capping of CCC (I forget the date they said). I have this bridge for sale.

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 56 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

You've missed out Bob, the person who thinks everyone has a goof grade in A-Level railway ticketing. I'll stop you right these, that's only a subset of the use-cases I was describing earlier. You've just wasted a lot of time on a

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 5 Minutes ago by: Bob

With Apple Pay, when you (attempt to) load a card into the wallet, the Apple Pay system interogates the issuing bank, and that bank authenticates that the person loading the card on the phone is the legitimate card holder (in the case

Re: OT: Second fatal Amtrak collision this week (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

It's more to do with hillbillies trying to race freight trains to the crossing. Pop Tarts get hot, when heated.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Obviously I don't work by osmosis, so in this case it's a feature I would need to explore first. FWIW, my Android Watch works perfectly well for the majority of tasks without being linked, and when linked the Twitter and Facebook feeds d

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 49 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

That's why I was exploring what's exactly meant by PIN. I'm puzzled by circumstances where a banking PIN would *ever* be entered into a mobile, phone, and hence wondering what this thing about entering a PIN(sic) "before it will presen

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 55 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Is that sloth, or once again risk management kicking in? Found this security blog just now: Despite the risks, we understand the motivation behind Express Transit. Public transport is often a crowded, high-pressure environmen

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

I'm looking forward to exploring the function of the watch, in this regard. Was going to check my card setup in Google Pay, but it turns out to be yet another App that didn't survive the back/restore/transfer process from my old phon

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The most recent time was only a few weeks before their unit numbers started appearing in RTT!! #DontTellCrossCountry refers ;) Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: OT: Second fatal Amtrak collision this week (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Hours 56 Minutes ago by: John Levine

Partly that, partly the US is really big and a lot of Amtrak trains run in very rural areas where fencing and signals would be hugely expensive. The high-ish speed northeast corridor is fully grade separated and mostly fenced. I realiz

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: Arthur Figgis

There was some fuss a while back when CrossCountry's Twitter people said unit numbers were secret for some unconvincing reason (rather than just "stop wasting our time you sad anorak" or whatever).

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Hours 26 Minutes ago by: Arthur Figgis

The various systems one might use to track such things seem to lose trains in south London when they get diverted to avoid whatever has broken around Selhurst or Norwood Junction on any given day, and they reappear when they get to so

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Hours 45 Minutes ago by: Recliner

I think the speed had to be capped so low to stay in the quadricycle category, which allows younger drivers and, presumably, exemption from safety rules. It reminds me of the late, unlamented G-Wiz: <https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Recliner

It was originally expected to be much cheaper than that, around £6000: <https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10012579/Citroen-sell-tiny-Ami-electric-car-UK-6k.html>

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Hours 52 Minutes ago by: Tweed

If it went just a few mph faster it would be useful for my commute. But having a max speed just under the 30 mph limit is just going to cause problems.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: ColinR

Ah, the "Sinclair C5" resurrected!

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Recliner

Yes, that's how I understood it.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Recliner

Yes, that's clearly documented. You can't set up an Apple Watch without using its paired iPhone, but you can then go out and use it with limited functionality, leaving the phone at home. Roland keeps speculating here, without doing a simp

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Hours 40 Minutes ago by: Recliner

True.

Re: OT: Second fatal Amtrak collision this week (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Nigel Emery

Interestingly from a UK perspective the adjacent running line M1 has reopened after less than 24 hours. The assumption is that will close again when the investigation is complete and recovery can start. BNSF Z trains (high priority inter

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Each leg of the journey on Google, if you click on it, will say "also at xx:xx and yy:yy". Clicking again will give earlier times too, so you can plan your own earlier departure. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

What I've written is what I understand to be the case, and doesn't contradict what you say below. My gWr colleagues with access to the correct railway systems (which is mere traincrew can't access) can indeed see XC (etc) train formati

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I wear a winter hat to keep the rain off my hair. (woolly/bobble-type, but without the wool or bobble - not sure of the word to describe it. Thinsulate branded. Beanie hat, maybe?) Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Someone else in this thread has posted that the fingerprint sensor on the rear is exactly where his finger naturally falls, so perhaps some people hold phones differently? I switched off fingerprint for unlock on my iPhone, because my thu

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

That depends how often the ECS run, surely? You've seen one in the core going one way, and I've seen one in the core going the other way (but who's to say it was going to/from depot rather than to enter service?), and I saw one today whic

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Tweed

About half of active phone users in the UK use iPhones. Can’t just be yuppies or cake eaters. https://cybercrew.uk/blog/iphone-sales-statistics-uk/ “iOS had the largest market share of mobile operating systems in the UK in June 2021

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Hours 59 Minutes ago by: Tweed

Then you are out of luck. But there ought to be the option to register your railcard should you so wish. I buy mine online so they know all this information.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 6 Minutes ago by: Arthur Figgis

Unless those are all working from home (possibly having decamped to a house in the country), leaving plebs and key workers to use London transport...

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

I don't think they cared how you got the money.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

How are they going to find out if I have a rail card? I didn't buy it online but at a ticket office, it doesn't have my photo on it and they don't have my address.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Tweed

I’d not be relying on Google maps for timetable information. It’s a closed book as to how it works, and what might be the state of play one day might be different the next. Everything they do is in permanent beta and a state of flux.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 14 Minutes ago by: Arthur Figgis

OOI, was it possible for "new money" to buy a (high) rank, or would it have been blocked? Or did the situation not arise, because a job managing your family's satanic mill or whatever was much better than going off to get speared by

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 15 Minutes ago by: Bob

A bunch of passengers arrive at Ealing Broadway intenting to take a train to Paddington. Let's consider eachf of them and how they might behave. Anna is a normal Londoner, who has Oyster/Contactless, uses it all the time. They tap t

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 16 Minutes ago by: Tweed

I’m just a bit hacked off with the customer hostile attitude of the railway, especially with respect to forgotten rail cards. You’d think with modern comms they could look up if you had a rail card if you provided your name and postco

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 21 Minutes ago by: Tweed

Brand new for £7695 :) https://heycar.co.uk/blog/new-citroen-ami-electric-car-2023

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Tweed

Neither once in a lifetime nor once per trip. You select the card you wish to use and that remains in force until you perhaps choose to use another card. I don’t own an Apple Watch, but I’m not convinced it can have a practical sepa

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 45 Minutes ago by: Tweed

But they may not have been allowed access, as others had greater priority.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 45 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Try Scotland, or the Fens where Roland is. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Says the man who can’t find out the PT options at his foreign destination. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Yep. Just have to keep changing things until it works. :-) Sam

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 56 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Of course, but for some people, and in some situations, that might not count as having a clue what being a soldier was about. Sam

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Hours 1 Minute ago by: Sam Wilson

Anecdata aside, very likely antique: Some 10 years ago or so I had to travel from Burton-on-Trent to Loughborough, changing at Derby. There was some incident on the line from Birmingham to Burton that made things late and my train disapp

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Recliner

The Barbican entrance to the EL Farringdon station is only a couple of minutes walk from the Barbican LU station entrance, and I assume London Thameslink tickets will be accepted at that entrance. It's step-free (escalators or inclined li

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Clive Page

Indeed. But it *used* to be a London Thameslink station when there were through trains to Moorgate, so it they are just a few years late about updating rules, it might still be valid. You can, and they should, but they cost quite a lot

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Hours 52 Minutes ago by: Muttley

Someone can flee the country in a matter of hours as has happened on numerous occasions. How long the DNA tests take is moot.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Hours 58 Minutes ago by: Recliner

I read it to mean you can designate one of your stored cards as being used for paying fares. You might have a different card set up as the default for paying other charges. You wouldn't then need to change these settings unless you wanted

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: Recliner

I don't think Android (yet) has an equivalent to Apple's Express Mode.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Hours 27 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

That's a function of your phone, rather than of TfL's interaction with it. I can't speak for Android phones, nor for previous/future versions of iOS; but on my phone, I have two cards set up. I’d defaults to the one I've chosen it to

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Hours 38 Minutes ago by: Recliner

Yes, but most had to pass out of the appropriate officer training college before then starting out as second lieutenants.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Hours 55 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Yes… but we’re not, or at least I was not, talking about any of those things, but about the fact that Google put the same option, start and finish times, in different places depending on which mode you’re using. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Hours 59 Minutes ago by: Recliner

As a mobile phone expert, you obviously know that you need to have your iPhone set up and connected to set up and use an Apple Watch. An elderly Android phone won't do. If not, you'll simply be buying 'a pretty bracelet that cost far too

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Hours 3 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Surely the vast majority of officers enter the service at officer level, and very few come up through the ranks. Sam

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Hours 16 Minutes ago by: Graeme Wall

Anyone who could afford to buy the rank they fancied.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Hours 33 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Yes, but only a few tpd, not the eventual 12tph. At the other two depots? When test running through the core began, there was no through running available at Paddington (except under engineering possession); the trains used for testin

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 23 Hours 3 Minutes ago by: Recliner

No, it's the verbatim transcript: <https://subsaga.com/bbc/entertainment/mastermind/2011-2012/episode-26.html> I've not been able to locate that one.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 23 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Ken

<<Snipped for space reasons>> Very good. Is this a transcript or have you made it up? The one I'm referring to was specifically signalling. The first question, the free first point, was about the sequence of four-aspect colour lights.

Re: OT: Second fatal Amtrak collision this week (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

Yes, a very different balance of risk aversion in the US compared to here.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

Until the 19th century (as late as 1871), cavalry and infantry officers could simply buy their commissions: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase_of_commissions_in_the_British_Army>

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

Mastermind, 2010/11, Episode 26 And your name is? 0:05:44 0:05:47 Your occupation? 0:05:47 0:05:48 And your specialist subject. 0:05:49 0:05:51 Railways in the 20th century, minute and a half starting now. 0:05:54 0:05:57

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Bevan Price

There have been plenty of those in the past. People who got to be officers just because their father was a Knight, Lord, or close friend of "somebody important".

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

Yes, the whole Shenfield-Liverpool St operation switched to TfL on one day, complete with its existing old train fleet. In effect, it started out as just a rebranding. I'd have thought it highly likely that most of the drivers transferr

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

This is through running during passenger service hours, when all the service trains were reversing at Paddington, so the through tracks couldn't be used for reversing. <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/52179296608/in/album-72177720

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

Already committed by TfL.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

There are plenty of used cars that don't incur ULEZ charges on sale for under £5000, almost down to your price bracket.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

As I've already told you, you'll need a working, connected iPhone in order to set up and use an Apple Watch. The Watch can then be used autonomously, with its limited functionality, but you can't use one at all if you don't also have a p

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Bob

This begs the question of how you came to have a ticket not valid between St Pancras and Farringdon when you know you want to travel between those stations. Every example I have so far seen involve a deliberate choice to avoid buying an a

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Recliner

This isn't a project for TfL. It's a DfT project. Technology, not accounts.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

They are all over the place. But they do. The crowds at Cambridge in the Rush Hour are so big they have to open a side door and wave everyone through. Part of the problem in other parts of the country is they have gated stations with

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Erm, if they weren't through running all the trains to OOC a least once a day, where else are they stabling them?

Re: OT: Second fatal Amtrak collision this week (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

They take a different view of this kind of thing in the USA - "Shit happens". I remember reading that at one time they had 1,000 people a year killed at crossing bashes (no particular train company to blame) and no-one seemed particula

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Most of the people I see doing it scan the items into their own bag that's inside a trolley. I haven't done it for ages, but I expect I'd scan the items into a trolley, and then unload the trolley into the car boot. I thought the poi

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: MB

It does if the criminal has left the country and witnesses' memories are more reliable soon after the crime. Months later they will have forgotten details.

OT: Second fatal Amtrak collision this week

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

At least three killed after train derailed in truck collision <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1c61d9f4-f66a-11ec-84c1-32e852e780b0?shareTokenp371b3bdc7efcc3fde6d3f4be7ec44f>

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Still whingeing, it's nothing to do with let them eat cake. Lots of things are only available on recent iterations of hardware/software, it's called progress. Plenty of cars available for under £20k that qualify. Or take the train.

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Northbound I don't think they are easy to find. Where are they at StPancras? If my onward "paper" ticket is from StP, or London terminals, touching out at Farringdon tube platforms means my trip to StP is unticketed.

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

On one hand why are we dismissing people who make that choice, and on the other hand what if their travel plans changed en-route and they only needed ticketing beyond Paddington after they'd boarded. And why are we so dismissive of

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Bob

You can have more than one card in the wallet, so the instruction relates to choosing which of them to use for the transaction. Then use one of the more available options. There is nothing preventing you from using a non-phone option.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

Even though I never lived in London, I encountered gated platforms mostly in London ;-( Gated platforms outside London tend not to have the crouds that require optimizing the "gate passing time" either.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

Serious criminal doesn't equal smart criminal, its just means they're probably violent psychopaths. Anyone of average intelligence and above would know to wear gloves at a crime scene. If it takes months or years to solve a crime I do

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

At the time I posted my earlier remarks, it was showing as Cancelled, and no reports at the stations it would have already passed. AT 7.05 it should have been passing Glen Parva. I'm happy to pick another trains which really was cance

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

Well fair enough :) I guess the old programmers have all retired and the new ones decided to reinvent the wheel or simply couldn't understand the old code.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe my circulation is bad, but there are often weeks on end where the temperature is below zero and if I don't have gloves on I wouldn't even be able to use a biro, let alone a phone. It's all gone London-centric again.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

So the best answer would be "only every time you decide to link a different card to your wallet". Like I said, the "let them eat cake" approach. Whether you like it or not I'm rather more inclusive than that, and would prefer to see

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Bob

You'll find them on the platform at Farringdon. They are located to be suitable for passengers entering/leaving the LU system. Robin

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Bob

Ealing Broadway has facilities to sell NR and LU paper tickets and is valid for both Oyster and Contactless. There is no way to get on a train there and not have the ability, before setting off, to be fully ticketted by any of these m

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I doubt the telecoms engineers with three years longer than they originally expected to install these facilities, were redeployed to stick duct-tape round the PEDs, debug the train software, plug leaks in the Connaught tunnel, or do what

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I can think of some outfits that would buy into that!

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Ken

Exactly. I wear a coat if the temperature drops but have never, in England, felt the need for gloves, a scarf or hat (other than to protect my balding pate from the sun).

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

UK, cold? I can't remember more than 5 days in my 7 years UK where I hat to put on full gloves for cycling rather than fingerless bicycle gloves(helped by rarely arriving at the university before 11 AM). If you don't cycle, keeping t

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

One of my engineering colleagues at TVS was an ex-RAF (617 Squadron) radar technician.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm pretty sure it would have become a celebrated event, had it happened.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yesterday I looked at RT, and hat correctly said a train was cancelled (which Google Maps said was expected, running on time). The original question posed was "how much do we trust Google Maps to be correct?" and the more we investig

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Clank

Scraping is great when there are multiple independent sources for the same information - for example, one of the business units I'm responsible for does collection of market information from public sources (around 150 of them) and then a

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: MB

You read reports of where very serious criminals have been identified because someone was careless and left a fingerprint. Also someone can be quickly be identified with a portable fingerprint scanner, I presume there are now ways to q

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

On one hand the train formation data is disjoint from revealing the precise unit-number, on the other hand it could be an out-of-band communication between XC and EMR. On the third hand, a few years ago I saw that the ops-room at my st

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Ken

Maybe they can lower bank charges? Arriva around here also charge the 10p initially, even if you buy an all-day ticket.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It was 1 minute late at Coleshill Parkway, but I wasn't quick enough to see if Google Maps reflected that [in place of the earlier observed "on time" for a cancelled train].

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Apologies, I hadn't noticed that this time you were fighting Lew's battle for him. Amalgamation requires sophistication the back office. I've explained that already - the 10p is just a minimalist check the card hasn't been cancelled

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

How does this expansion of TfL taking fares for National Rail journeys chime with TfL reportedly wanting to back away from the out-boundary Travelcard market? "Using the same technology" (your words) would be.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Ken

A contestant on Mastermind has British Railway signalling systems as his specialist subject many years ago. I wonder if it was Clive?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Does it however, in practice translate into deciding that 2FA isn't needed for the pet insurance payment, because if it turns out it's a scammer buying it, and not me, they can cancel it later (and as long as my pet hasn't needed any t

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Ken

I wondered the same thing only yesterday. But I think he posted on the SimSig forums only a day or two ago.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Ken

I'm not surprised Google's getting confused. According to RTT that train did run. Passing and arrival/departure times are show between BHM and PBO as you'd expect. It arrived at PBO on time and when I started writing this post it was

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not quite clearly enough: "Paying for journeys on Transport for London is easier with Express Mode for Apple Pay. You no longer need to authenticate your payment with Face ID or Touch ID. Simply select a card for

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Bob

That kind of feature would also be useful for services that are prone to distruption, eg buses subject to traffic delays. It is often wise to get the first option heading in the right direction rather than waiting for the last one tha

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The fingerprint sensor on one of my phones is round the back, which isn't where I'd naturally be grabbing the phone. On the other it's at the bottom of the screen, which is even less involved in phone-grabbing. You need to get out mor

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

So put the card you routinely want to use somewhere else, like in your shirt pocket.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's only because you were insufficiently prepared, and didn't have the specific card/ticket you knew you were going to need in your shirt/back pocket, rather than crammed inside a wallet. Many? Faster than Oyster - really?

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <39sbbhdfli8ruboebpb73dpmvrgbtv24ag@4ax.com>, at 18:16:51 on Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked: One of the interesting things about education (as an industry) is that internal promotio

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <0dCdnT-m-6KMACn_nZ2dnUU7-XnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 18:04:15 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> remarked: Only if that meant getting rid of the teachers (whose salaries are the vast majority of

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <s89bbhp1fmt765rmkarqm8v2ocqtp32efr@4ax.com>, at 13:02:26 on Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked: When I was at University (in the 70's) the course was specifically designed to not only

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

A decade or two in the classroom provides very little experience in the tasks of a Head Teacher - balancing budgets, talking to architects about the plans for the new sixth form centre, negotiating with unions about redundancies and eq

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <WNqdnSFVIJkKByn_nZ2dnUU7-RfNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 17:53:41 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> remarked: You've hit the nail on the head there, and of course some Head Teachers get appointed b

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It's an existing issue that they designed-in, and can't be bothered to fix. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they don't think it would benefit a sufficient number of customers to warrant the cost of a couple of validators.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Tweed

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Tweed

Is that really the case? I would imagine the train formation data has to be provided to NR by the TOCs. Otherwise how do the information displays work on the platforms? As an example, Derby is a multi TOC station and the displays show the

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm trying really hard not to scatter-gun the examples, so here's another Stansted train today: <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P88922/2022-06-28/detail ed#allox_id=0> Cancelled end-to-end "Issue with train crew". (Ros

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

The expiry issue is easily dealt with. Just change the railcard validity rules. Make the validity cover the time of ticket purchase rather than date of travel. There will be a few edge cases where this could be gamed, but not enough to be

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

It hadn't occurred to me that Google would actually pay non-trivial fees for push-data sources. I'd also assumed that scraping public web sites was simply too unreliable, but maybe Google's AI and language skills can make it smarter at co

Uncracking the IETs

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

Richard Clinnick has tweeted: The first of 220 @HitachiRailENG Cl.80x has gone to Eastleigh Works for crack repairs. @GWRHelp 802003 is the first to be treated. In total there are 90 Cl.800, 42 Cl.801, 60 Cl.802, 5 Cl.803, 13 Cl.805 and 1

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Ah, OK (Thinks: by analogy with the insurance discussion we’ve been having in Another Place, could there be any corner cases that invalidate the ticket en route? Actually yes - an open return ticket that the passenger decides to try to

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

No it’s not - there might never be a first time. That’s no comfort, but the statement isn’t true. Sam

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Tweed

Recent EMR useage just required me to tick a box agreeing to conditions. No email address needed, so agreeing to the conditions is somewhat pointless.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Tweed

Because I can then have a ticket that’s not dependent on me also having a railcard with me. The railway seems to be keen on imposing penalties on those without the railcard with them (although they claim you can be let off for the first

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

I don't think you can have a completely autonomous Apple watch. Later models can be used autonomously with limited functionality, but they're still linked to an iPhone.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

If it’s an option, why bother? Sam

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Paddington: if you need ATO to run trains every 2.5 minutes between all the other stations, presumably you also need ATO to run trains every 2.5 minutes between Paddington platforms and the reversing sidings/NR boundary. If you're relying

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

<quote> Véhicule Automatique Léger (lit. 'automatic light vehicle') or VAL is a type of driverless (automated), rubber-tyred, medium-capacity rail transport system (people mover). The technology was developed at the Lille University

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Is that something you don't characterise as a PIN? Don't have that set up. Reminds me, I must get back on the project to find an autonomous Apple watch.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Well, exactly. Muttley, seems to have a different view. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Tesco know what you are buying and those items fall into various categories. That information does get sent to the credit card firm as far as I understand. Company credit cards can be set up to disallow certain categories. Probably varies

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

For e-tickets there doesn’t need to be a single app. The app, which can even be a web browser pulling a pdf, gets the information to create the Aztec code from some sort of database, presumably the same one the gripper’s checking app

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Yes. And presently, while through-running isn't occurring, perhaps the adjacent Eastbound and Westbound running lines are also available for reversals. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

No it won't, because the signage is very clear about which lift goes where. And the link to Barbican SSL station isn't shown on any of the maps anyway, that's why it's "secret". Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Again, not my description, this is my first post into this sub-thread. Secondly, I still don't see why a series of fares can't be amalgamated, even if they're all different (after all, the driver asking your destination and then picking

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

True. I don't do trolley-loads of shopping any more (and my front door is up a flight of stairs from my car, so I always used bags even with a trolley) so I'd forgotten that scenario. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Whether the train is moving or stopped probably makes little difference to the complexity of switching between systems. Failure to switch on the move brings the train to a stop. Failure to to switch whilst stopped means the train can’t

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

The WiFi service isn’t complete yet. It sounds like the in station part is working but the in tunnel parts aren’t. It is supposed to give continuous Internet access once all fully working. Probably not a high priority given all the ot

Re: Comparison of journey times - Manchester to Sheffield via (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Bevan Price

Until the 1960s, the "Hope Valley" stopping services ran from Manchester Central via Stockport Tiviot Dale, then via Marple & New Mills Central & Chinley; some just shuttled between Chinley & Sheffield, connecting at Chinley with expre

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

Why? Why? Why? If ETCS is so crap it can't cope with all the above why is it used anywhere and is being rolled out to replace the current NR system? No, do it AT stations.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

Or hire their programmers who seem to have more of a clue than the ones at Seimens.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

So what the hell is the time constraint for? One train arrives in the siding and the previous one leaves. Simple.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

Do they require that? I'd have assumed it was a standard unencrypted use-at- your-own-risk link.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

Once you have the cloned print you can do what you like with it including I presume fooling fingerprint scanners.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Firstly, trams use their own system on-street which needs to be non-confusable with traffic lights. Secondly, LU and NR/BR/predecessors have always been two separate organisations with very different needs. Trying to get them to agree on

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Thank you for clarifying that, and apologies for my mis-remembering the details earlier. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

There were very few actual signals anyway (Machynlleth area only). The line was RETB before changing to ETCS. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

They have three. Anna Noyd-Dryver.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If the signalling boundary was at Paddington platform then you wouldn't have auto-reverse and you wouldn't have ATO from there to the NR boundary and reversing sidings, and presumably you'd therefore lose any capacity advantage from havin

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Thr Cambrian line didn't have (many) signals to cover up! It's also an exception to the next few lines to be converted in that it *did* have a 'Big Bang' changeover after which non-fitted trains aren't permitted to operate. Anna Noyd

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

We can be pretty sure it gets the data from the open APIs, but how often does it poll the data sources? Are some polled more frequently than others? Is it always a pull mechanism?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

********************************* *** For the avoidance of doubt, it was Ken who said that. No need for that attitude. My phone requires a PIN after a reboot.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

From your description - your bus company not having implemented such a thing.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <8vibbhh818vtg9dkk0tkidjnl06omuijji@4ax.com>, at 15:41:35 on Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Sounds like a corner case - for example why wasn't TfL down by one fare, or did they cha

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I suspect the card companies don't have a particularly sophisticated way of knowing which of these various camps your purchase falls into. I can buy anything from pet insurance to a massive flat screen TV from Tesco, for example.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I know, just I suspect he knows a damn sight more about signalling systems and their applications than Neil does.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's a huge expansion of the existing London scheme to a much wider area around London. Something similar is likely to happen around other conurbations, possibly using the same technology. It would be if that was the suggestion, but o

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter Johnson

There are those using the handscanner who load their purchases into a trolley, Tesco ones have a holder for it, and offload their stuff into their car in the car park. Don't need a bag for that,

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

You haven't got a phone, remember. Wouldn't you be wanting to block your Apple Pay, rather than say a Barclaycard?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

'falsely' I presume. Anyway that's I mean below: It happens a lot more in the London area, especially if they are policing off-peak restrictions with a one-size-fits all, rather than a big lookup table which says when each ticket is

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I see you don't dispute that they are all near London! On the other hand perhaps I was being a bit hasty on the "filling in" thing - because that's what they are doing on Thameslink routes north of London. Being able to charge Great M

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

That's already been answered many times, in the discussions here, very clearly in the photos, and in the video: no. And you could have worked that out for yourself, with no photos or discussion — all the inclined lifts on LU and the

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

No, joining the WiFi almost cetrtainly requires some kind of authorisation and checking, at least of the “tick this box to accept the Ts&Cs” form, and possibly checking some other credentials. That may or may not need access to some

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sounds good (and the squeaky drivers was recruited from the buses).

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Thanks for the useful diagram. It annotates three turnbacks, btw (A, B, C).

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not even an intranet server on the train with real time running information for that train?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

When I've tried that (on various railways) it usually fails, because the authentication process requires access to a central server. They don't cache the relevant information on each train. Having said that, it's not going to a huge am

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not seen much of him recently. By the way, rail signalling(etc) is his hobby, the day job most of the time I've known him was a policy wonk in the Internet industry.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They do have more than one. Next contestant please! ps they have three.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Like I said the other day, too many photos. The helpful answer (instead of all this bluster) would have been a simple "both at the Barbican exit". But if the Barbican exit has two sloped lifts, it will still leave some people wonderin

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Traffic, transfer, and "less walking" don't apply to cycling and walking routes. And wheelchair is moot for cycling, and incompatible with the 3mph baked in for walking.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Which Google Maps doesn't appear to be reflecting in two examples I've managed to find in seconds (even if it takes half an hour to type in the detail). So we still have an open question: where is Google Maps getting its data from, an

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Those were "available" feeds (to which I have no access check) but Google isn't reflecting this very well either for things like the regular train to Cambridge (arr: 8.45), or the "planning error" one *from* Cambridge this morning.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, that's the well understood (generally six-monthly) routine. But what we are discussing here is how that gets to Google Maps. Is it pushed, or pulled; and at the industry end does that involve NR, ATOC, each TOC individually, or wh

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

No, the standard system that will eventually prevail had Not Been Invented Yet.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Part of the problem, maybe, that there's no one single app for tickets. Perhaps you should be able to add tickets to the railcard app, or perhaps even purchase them through that app? Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

So far we've identified two out of how many equivalent services worldwide who do offer it? That implies that it's not very popular (perhaps because 'we never thought of it' or 'we consider it so unlikely to ever occur that it's not even

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, it's hard to understand why it's apparently so problematic.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Here's another possibility: <https://twitter.com/garethdennis/status/1541393036349001728> "@GarethDennis what's the reason for the 4 wooden sleepers between runs of concrete and metal bridge deck replacement Here's a common sight - in

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

AFAIK, presently all five lines are available for reversing (three through lines and two with buffers). I'll try to remember to check which lines are being used when I'm passing. According to my route maps, the changeover signage is bas

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The intermediate phase has both systems operating, like in Thameslink. The same control system controls all the trains, and those which can only respond to colour light signals just follow those; while those fitted with ETCS can run more

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Recliner

Yes, it appears that TL doesn't actually use CBTC, but ATO on ETCS: https://www.railengineer.co.uk/main-line-ato-becomes-a-reality/ And why Crossrail uses CBTC: https://www.railengineer.co.uk/crossrails-signalling-challenge/

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

Wooden sleepers would (sorry!) also transmit less noise than concrete when a train passes over.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

What happened to Clive Feather BTW?

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

Anna posted a list of Network Rail data feeds available.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Wilson

I hadn’t noticed the CBTC term before this discussion, and neither TL nor EL are mentioned in the Wikipedia article on it, though the DLR and a number of LUL lines are. Sam

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: John Ray

At Norwood Junction station the track directly above the pedestrian underpass is laid on wooden sleepers. I often wondered why, but you have explained it. John Ray

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

But did his cloned print actually unlock her phone?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Muttley

No reason why they couldn't, wifi connects to the access point. What happens beyond that makes no difference.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

It has those for the PT options, but the “start at…etc” setting for driving is in the three-dot menu, as Anna has pointed out, not in the same place as for PT, and that option isn’t there at all for the cycling or walking modes.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

The trivial diagnosis is that the WiFi access point(s) on the train are still operative - why would they not be? - but the uplink from the train to the Internet has been broken. Presumably devices still (could) have access to whatever se

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Muttley

Unlike yourself of course. What are your signalling qualifications again?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Muttley

What a genius decision. Lets do a complex switchover on the fly! What could possibly go wrong.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

See Tweed's very informative post.

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, very likely.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

As always in software development, cross-system integration is the most important driver of costs and of delays. As soon as a "big bang" approach is not feasible (not possible or deemed to dangerous) you run into integration issues, an

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's so handy that we benefit from the knowledge of the world's leading signalling engineer in this group!

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

There are no boundary changeover stations. All three signalling boundaries are between stations.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Muttley

So in other words an automatically driven train is automatically reversing too. I'm pretty sure the French solved that in the 80s with the VAL system except it doesn't even need a driver.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Muttley

A solution looking for a problem. If they'd had more than one reversing siding the time the driver takes to walk from one end of the train to the other wouldn't have mattered. Oink flap.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

I think the existing drivers transferred over to Crossrail, but more were recruited as well.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Not sure. I stopped bothering with it when I discovered that internet access was lost underground.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Depends what you man by "step free". I'm afraid I'm getting a bit snow-blind it comes to things like that and these various travel guides. That would be in a different paragraph, describing step-free(sic) access to those stations. O

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: mechanic

Not Invented Here syndrome.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What, to have automatic reversing sidings, that the other technologies couldn't deliver? It's said the entire contract for the signalling was "only" £50m.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Clive Page

Presumably there is also access, perhaps step-free, to the EL line platforms, and therefore via the escalators to the northbound Thameslink line, without having to go through any further gate-lines. It will be interesting to see whether

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter Able

Your question arose in my mind whilst watching the BahnTV cab-rides many years ago. A very high correlation between wooden sections and under-track structures on older main lines in Germany. Less weight, less transmission of energy (d

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

Then stop the train if he does. Hardly a valid reason. And should never have been done on a civil project this expensive funded by the tax payer, it should have used tried and tested systems, not some over specified dogs dinner. If

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

That was their decision. Either way, CBTC wasn't required and probably cost hundreds of millions of extra taxpayers money for little benefit.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: NY

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote in message news:t9brqh$1jtm$1@gioia.aioe.org... Maybe the automatic switchover is required a) in case the driver forgets, and b) in case the train is not scheduled to stop at the boundary changeover stati

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

IMO having 3 seperate signalling systems wasn't the smartest idea. For the core section they should have used ETCS as per the GWR but they seemed to be wedded to ATC for some reason despite the trains not (yet) being frequent enough to w

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

As we've seen in the discussion of the reversing sidings, the switchover is not at a station.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

For precisely this reason, our company has sucessively split the old "development Manager" role into three: "Line manager" takes care of people development(training, pay rises etc) "product owner" takes (investment) responsibility of de

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

Unlike the tube I've yet to spot a DLR substation so hard to tell. I presume some of them must be hidden beneath viaducts.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

Seemed to me the issue was the *automatic* switchover between signalling systems. Given this happens as stations when the train is stopped I don't understand why it couldn't simply be a manual process done by the driver. A lot simpler.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Bob

Biometrics are convenient and easy to use. While a phone stores data on it, most of that data is relatively low value. The high value stuff is not stored on the phone, but the phone acts as an access point. In effect, the phone is on

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

Every interesting albeit mundane activity seems to require that these days by the tristrams who work in TV. Lots of fast editing of the video along with some irritating jeopardy/victory/urgent/suspense background music.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Muttley

Obviously its not going to be used for an an-hoc phone theft. But if someone finds out that say you've got 50K in your bank savings account it might be well worth their while to go to that trouble before they nick your phone. https://ww

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Based on my other observations in the area, that's probably where a chap sat all day, popping out from time to time to open/close the wooden crossing gates. If they are employing someone to sit there doing nothing, now that it's been

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

I imagine fingerprints these days are only useful for catching halfwit drug lusers who burgle a house to fund their habit and don't have the wit to even wear gloves. I doubt they're much use for crimes committed by people with anything r

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

Am I supposed to be a mind reader? How should I know, ask one of them.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

On Garmin SatNavs that is an optional setting.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

From 2014: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30623611 I imagine the criminal state of the art has moved on since then.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I thought I saw mentions of RTT etc. They are intermediaries. But if you believe they get it direct, who do you consider that to be?

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Why would I be passing through a gateline to change from a Thameslink train to St Albans (which I boarded at Loughborough Junction), to a Thameslink train to Peterborough (where I'll change to a local train to Lincoln), at StPancras. O

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

That’s the one. The cabin is presumably the wooden one on the far side. Ta, Sam

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

No one suggested they use an intermediary.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Ken

Oh, thank you. I've never seen that, whereas my old TomTom is configured to automatically select the best route if it's faster by x minutes.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I didn't know Thameslink had the same core signalling (yes, we know it's new and had its own teething issues). But that must have proven transitions somewhere in the StPancras and Blackfriars areas, so why all the problems on the EL?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No black bags on the Cambrian Line yet?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not just me, then?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What happened to the drivers previously on Heathrow Connect and GA to Shenfield? I'm pretty sure the lady in question was described as having been specially recruited by Crossrail for testing in the core.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'd have expected the reversing sidings to be part of "the core", and firewalled off from for example random GWR trains out of Paddington Mainline station. According to OpenStreetMap the sidings are entirely a bubble between the EL ru

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What *does* the wifi give access to. Some sort of intranet only?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

From December 2019 (railway-tchnology.com): Just over a year ago, in August 2018, Crossrail Ltd announced that the central section of the new east-west line from Paddington to Abbey Wood would not open in December

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

So what's the "provided I remember to take a shopping bag in with me" all about?

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The thing about travel insurance (of which this is a subset) is that it looks at the percentage of times a claim might need paying out. Not a good look for them to in effect be saying what some travellers would interpret as "Why not tr

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And much of it is out of date, or as I've said earlier only available as pdfs. There are an awful lot of small bus companies to go round polling. As I've just checked, Google Maps isn't getting its data from RTT (well, not in erm...

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed, but the initiative comes from the TOC, not NR. The latter don't say to Hull Trains "Hey, why don't you run another train every afternoon, we might have a path available".

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's the aspirational timetable. Then things get can get changed. For example today's first XC service Cambridge to Birmingham has been cancelled "planning error", which is code for "We bungled the staff rostering". <https://www.realt

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 12 Hours ago by: Recliner

The two systems will be overlaid for a long transition period before the old colour light signals are first covered in black plastic bags, and finally removed altogether. That will happen first on the GN Moorgate line, where ETCS trial ru

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: NY

"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t9apsp$22iu$2@dont-email.me... So presumably there will have to be a period of parallel running when any trains that use the ECML have to be able to work with the older standar

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

We are on a very slow journey to ETCS, but it didn't exist when BR still did. So BR wouldn't certainly not have picked it. Railtrack effectively went bust because it bet the farm on not-yet-available in-cab signalling capable of deliverin

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

IIRC the EL core was originally planned to be ETCS, but at some point the realisation occurred that there wasn't an approved version currently capable of what was required, and the decision was made to switch to a known, approved product

Re: Comparison of journey times - Manchester to Sheffield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The curve at Hazel Grove to connect the Sheffield line to the Buxton line was only constructed in 1986, to allow the express Manchester-Sheffield trains to serve Stockport. Previously the high-level line through Hazel Grove had been part

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: NY

<hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:t9alad$1c02$1@gioia.aioe.org... I wonder why British Rail or Railtrack or Network Rail, in conjunction with London Transport, didn't at some point in the past introduce (impose?) a common si

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

I agree as I myself have witnessed that. It was, slightly counterintuitively, I was on a southbound, New Haven Line train bound for GCT. The train was going through MO (CP 6), which is a spaghetti junction of points as the Hudson Lin

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

Which task?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

I know that, but I thought that ETCS would be able to handle a task.

Comparison of journey times - Manchester to Sheffield via Woodhead versus Edale routes

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: NY

When the Woodhead route carried passengers, did both the Woodhead and the Edale routes have limited-stop express services between Manchester and Sheffield? How did journey times compare? Was there competition between the two routes, prob

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Last time it happened to me they checked my railcard as well. Mind yio I'd twigged what was going on when the barrier refused to let me out and had the card ready.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Ken

Indeed. It's absurd that I have to open a seperate app to show that I have a railcard.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Ken

Yes, I see the point, but in practice they seem to wave you through the barrier with the most cursory glance and no railcard check. Perhaps they ignore us crusties as being low risk and are looking for those claiming to have an 18-25?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Ken

True enough.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

I thought that wooden sleepers were the preferred, at least over regular stretches as they are more reliable than concrete or polymers, each of which tends to crack. IIRC, treating the wooded sleepers also tends to protect them from the

Re: Are there any steam hauled excursions going North of Carlisle? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 17 Hours ago by: MB

Had this work started, might make even less steam friendly. Glasgow Central: train station set for major refurbishment after plans approved Glasgow Central is set to undergo a major refurbishment, after the council approved plans. By

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I'm pretty sure that the times are agreed between TOC and NR, and published by NR (initially in the form of the Working TimeTable). TOCs can't just randomly make up a timetable without it being agreed with NR. If NR say we can't run a t

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Oh dear, I'd have thought a computer guru like yourself would know the very simple anser to that one. The electronic timetabls and real time running information for just about every form of mechanised transport known to man is availabl

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: NY

"Mark Goodge" <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote in message news:rrugbhds88cga0fh4e3h8jjoplvpqif14o@4ax.com... Self-scanning (either as you go along or at a checkout) raises an interesting ethical dilemma. What do you do if you get h

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

Isn't the timetable produced by NR, taking into account all the requested movements from TOCs and FOCs?

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

60k flights a year is 165 a day, so perhaps 25,000 pax, that'll solve their baggage handling issues!

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But the TOCs must have provided it to NR in the first place.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

There's certainly been some interesting, plausible suggestions.

Re: Are there any steam hauled excursions going North of Carlisle? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I can't see any listed here, unfortunately <http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/tours.html> Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Are there any steam hauled excursions going North of Carlisle? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Certes

Edinburgh is also perceived as more of a tourist destination than Glasgow, even if passengers don't get time to see much of it.

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: NY

"Mark Goodge" <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote in message news:rrugbhds88cga0fh4e3h8jjoplvpqif14o@4ax.com... Self-scanning (either as you go along or at a checkout) raises an interesting ethical dilemma. What do you do if you get

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

The frequency of random checking is also based on some fairly complex algorithms. The more often you use it, the less likely you are to get selected. Non-standard behaviour, such as scanning then removing a lot of items, will tend to tri

Re: Are there any steam hauled excursions going North of Carlisle? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, they're pretty rare. I did find: https://secretglasgow.com/clyde-aberdonian-tornado/ <https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/whats-on/tornado-steam-train-returns-glasgow-23518924> There are far more to Edinburgh. I think the Great Britain

Re: Are there any steam hauled excursions going North of Carlisle? (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

Not quite what you are asking, but the Tornado Clyde Aberdonian claims to start at Glasgow, then Sterling to Aberdeen.

Are there any steam hauled excursions going North of Carlisle?

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Alan

AIUI, most charters change their steam engine for an electric/diesel for the run Nprth of Carlisle to Glasgow etc. The Great Briton (ain?) land cruise and others typically use this route 2 or more times a year. I cant recall any steam cha

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

That's provided by NR rather than the TOCs, AIUI. The train formation data in RTT is supplied separately, by the TOC, in a separate agreement with RTT. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

We're not talking about your M&S bag drama, that's a different sub-thread. This one is discussing scan-as-you-shop options (your own mobile device vs. store-provided handset) in various stores. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter Johnson

A lot of people, including me, use it in my local Tesco Extra. There is a button on the handset for returning stuff you don't want/have change your mind about; useful for schecking the price of an item if the shelf label has gone missing

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter Johnson

Lot of people, including me, use it in my local Tesco Extra. There is a button on the handset for returning stuff you don't want/have change your mind about; useful for schecking the price of an item if the shel label has gone missing. A

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter Johnson

Lot of people, including me, use it in my local Tesco Extra. There is a button on the handset for returning stuff you don't want/have change your mind about; useful for schecking the price of an item if the shel label has gone missing. A

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Well, that’s a crappy UI - why not put it in the same place as they do for PT? It does, however, change for me. I can get home from here in 3h02 just now, but if I want to get home to central Edinburgh at 9.15 tomorrow morning it cha

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

As referenced by Opentraintimes themselves…. https://datafeeds.networkrail.co.uk/ntrod/login;jsessionidn1AA88A22734F09C1D5625F4DBA53C0 We have a number of operational data feeds available to developers. By providing access to these fe

Re: Train travel better on strike says (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe I need to shoot you, now :) The Cambridge-London fasts have added stops in the rush hour (making them in effect semi-fasts) so it's not impossible. The ECML up to Hitchin is apparently very busy too! And even Hitchin to Cambridg

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Google Maps defaults to automatic re-routing, in my experience. Even telling you how much time it's estimated to save, compared to staying on the original route. Not for public transport trips, I expect.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I think they must do, or sites like Opentraintimes couldn't function.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

In message <g3hgbhhir9fidq34c7gpc9ho8egcepljo5@4ax.com>, at 12:40:07 on Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: They probably asked when he got his licence, and those are hard to obtain without having

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

The M&S in question only had self-checkout (it was a Covid thing). And I hadn't forgotten to take a bag, we were delayed within the workflow at the hospital and so had a couple of unexpected hours to while away.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I know. Handy if you live within walking distance of the railway station (it's really supposed to be a rail-air link, not a stage-bus for local residents). It would only be delays from Paddington to Heathrow which triggered it. I kn

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Recliner

I don't think you can do attribute ordinary corporate dividends to individual business sectors, but the certainty that it would no longer lose money on any of its UK rail operations might have made it easier to pay a dividend.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

And then there's the luggage. A few years ago I gave a party of two a lift from Cambs to Heathrow, and they had *lots*, including a fairly big dog in a crate - essentially emigrating to USA. My fairly large estate car was completely fu

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Reading has a dedicated hourly express bus link to Heathrow. Exactly. And they've decided that the risk of paying for someone's flight, for a reason out of their control (NR, gWr failure, fatality etc), isn't worth any extra custom wh

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If you forget to take a bag with you, you revert to conventional checkout (self- or otherwise). Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I mean, in general. It's not unique to M&S, it's something you can do at any supermarket. All the bag for lifes have a barcode on them, and every self checkout will ask you about bags at the end. Paying twice for a bag is something I did

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Recliner

That would be ideal, but probably isn't possible. I wonder how wide an area uses the same third-rail power supply?

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Tweed

Happily not. He had a car in the long stay. Things are going to be bad long term at Schiphol: https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-amsterdam-pollution-ac23e08623f38235f201b59453b58f21 BRUSSELS (AP) — The Dutch government said Frid

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Tweed

Once more than one of you travel airport taxis from the East Midlands to Heathrow become competitive with rail. Especially as you can’t rely on Advance tickets given the uncertainty of landing times. Rail has never really cracked the mor

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Charles Ellson

Yes, I'll put the right glasses on next time. :-(

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Charles Ellson

I have only hit a pump limit once and that was years ago. I haven't reached 100-00 yet.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Charles Ellson

You can make the same mistake in my local Sainsbury's. (yes, just once)

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Average sized pubs usually. Maybe three or four staff at busy periods. I'd normally head for a face *I* recognised behind the bar, too. Dipping in and out of numerous series (because they are streamed when you want), rather than watch

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Charles Ellson

I wasn't insured for the first couple years of my driving as the vehicles were covered by a certificate of deposit. When I bought my first vehicle, the insurers were happy to take my word about how long I had been driving but ISTR they mi

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Things are especially difficult at the moment. Were you having to pay short-stay car park fees?

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

By there being a facility to do it. Such as I've seen at Schiphol. There you go again, you really should stop making silly remarks like that! I was at Heathrow just before Xmas waiting for someone who was delayed mainly by bag-handlin

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Minicab firms in Cambridgeshire all publish fares for Heathrow. And 32% of passengers at Heathrow travel by cab (next most popular 20% Tube, which is a fairly roundabout way to get to from Reading), so you have quite a bit of persuadin

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter Able

RPI is currently just over 11% - but it may fall BACK to 10% by August. My Crystal Ball is on the blink! PA

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

A mistake you only make once, perhaps?

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe you only shop there once (this was in the food court at a hospital, I don't normally shop in M&S on the High St, not least because the nearest branch is an hour's drive away).

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

Ah, I wondered about that. It makes a lot more sense that way. The maps I've seen show the boundary as being at the portal itself.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If it finds a faster route, it asks you if you want to change route. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

IIRC wooden sleepers are less deep than concrete sleepers, so might be used where there's a structure not very deep under the track. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken

The only thing I don't like about the Depart At option when using public transport is that it then tells you the latest departure of your first leg that gets you to your destination no later than the earliest departure. In other words it

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The changeover to conventional railway signalling (apparently now referred to as TPWS despite that being only a sub-system thereof) is beyond the reversing sidings. The auto-reverse is a function of CBTC). Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

As has already been mentioned, there'd no mention of when that piece was actually filmed; it may have been at the beginning of test running in the core, when it would indeed have been a new thing. And the drivers involved won't only have

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

That's a mistake you only make once, of course. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Pamela

It still seems like magic to me now!

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

I've seen reports that there were tunnelling problems at that station, the rectification of which took a long time. That meant that all the subsequent fitting out tasks started many months late. Apparently the station is now physically co

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Pamela

I wonder if there's a statutory duty for the rail companies to provide up tp date timetable info to third parties? It sounds like the sort of thing which might get specified at privatisation.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken

Same here. It would have seemed like magic not at all long ago.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken

But there doesn't seem to be the option of automatic rerouting, unlike TomTom.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken

Normally, I think it's every bit as up to date.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter Able

Reduces the load on under-bridges, I believe. PA

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: D A Stocks

"Clank" <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:t96hkh$3gb4l$1@dont-email.me... It'll be some combination of the cost and ease of installation and maintenance for that particular piece of track. I'm certainly no expert here, but

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

So why not shut up about it till then? My high resolution images and captions give you all the information you could possibly need, but you are deliberately ignoring them, because they are from me. Similarly, you were so keen to find fau

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Perhaps this occurred on her first day of using it, many months before the opening?  She seemed unfamiliar with the commands to enable it. Given all the problems with the train software, it's very likely that the Auto Reverse feature

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

The software is late because they are doing something that’s never been done before on that scale. Add to that the issue that they’ve had to delay testing because of late handover of the line. I thought the documentary series (incl se

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: mechanic

On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 07:06:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed wrote The side comment near the beginning of Episode1 that the project was a bit too digitised seemed spot on. Big software integration issues on such a complex project were expected and see

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <4kiebh1ud7js1af9cti26a7e0lnbbon9u9@4ax.com>, at 18:53:37 on Sat, 25 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: My son has never had any car insurance in his own name (mainly because he's never, and st

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Some of the images were confusingly annotated, none seemed to directly support the point you were making, and frankly the whole thing was getting so repetitious and time consuming I decided to wait until after I'd done a field trip. We'

Re: Train travel better on strike says (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Tweed

Pick up/ set down only are hard to enforce. I wonder if adding off peak stoppers south of Kettering might mess up the timetable and pathing for other trains. It’s a busy old route now with the electric services from Corby and the electr

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I don't want to get all Boltar-ish about how easy it is to drive trains, but how many dozen times would one expect it to take to become familiar with this particular aspect? I don't recall how long after the first trials of the auto r

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I feel embarrassed for the staff who were depicted. What it conveyed to me was a project whose workflow was drastically dysfunctional, so if that's the image they want to convey...? Or was it a cunning plot to try to place all the bla

Re: Train travel better on strike says (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Even without suggesting Pickup|Setdown only stops {shoot me now} there's no reason that stopping patterns couldn't change during the day, facilitating against-tidal-flow commuting to the East Midlands.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

But not with Auto Reverse. It looked like she'd only just started using that new software feature (which, as we know, is still in beta). And even that bit of track wouldn't have been available for the whole of the three years. Through r

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It could be lots of places. The same "insider" sources as RTT and Opentraintimes, perhaps. The answer may depend a lot on how automated they want it to be. Scanning 5 month old PDFs on more than a dozen TOC websites doesn't sound very

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, in any of the London Thameslink stations. In all but Farringdon you'll be passing through gatelines anyway, which is why the problem only arose with the new EL connection at Farringdon. That's an existing Thameslink problem, and n

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Where do you think google gets its info from?

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Train travel better on strike says (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Tweed

With every change there are winners and losers. But there’s been a massive improvement for north of Kettering users. The northbound Inter City trains out of StP are no longer clogged with short distance commuters in afternoon/evening.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <4djebh17drj4ku2eg18bap347jfnevb4vh@4ax.com>, at 19:10:58 on Sat, 25 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: So very much has changed since then. Supermarket contactless terminals are online, so th

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Tweed

Do you gain pleasure from anything or just sit there picking holes? I thought series 2 episode 1 made a very good job of conveying the software issues to a lay audience, and why this was holding things up.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

(A brand new one, not re-using an old one)

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Some stores have hand-held scanners in a rack by the door, and once you are registered in the scheme (often linked to a loyalty card) you scan each item as you put it in the trolley. It's a bit of a pain if you change your mind about a

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And it's this kind of randomness of behaviour/facilities, which makes a lot of people just give up on pay-at-pump altogether, and plan to head for the kiosk instead. Supermarkets of course have the added randomness of how efficiently

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

M&S have added confusion factor in that if you take a bag to pack into, you naturally scan the barcode (wouldn't want to shoplift it). At the very end it says "how many bags are you using", and if you say "one", it charges for a second

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It's the producers who select the people they depict, and what they are shown doing. (Rather than for example picking a person and then saying "if you make enough of a fool of yourself in the next 20 second's we'll broadcast, otherwis

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <d8kebhtpfvodujch2ipj6bdsdacdnlvp4o@4ax.com>, at 19:20:11 on Sat, 25 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: It seemed odd for someone who had been driving test trains for three years along the same

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Thankyou. You dodged a bullet by 0.8m ;)

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I find train operator websites to be some of the least useful because not only do they only have timetables for *their* trains, but typically it's a pdf of the twice-yearly changing printed timetables, so it's much more aspirational th

Re: Train travel better on strike says (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Nor do I think Bedford-Leicester is served directly any more (apart from like Luton, two very early trains) . Service patterns are set mainly by the DfT And EMT wanting to rid itself of Luton/Bedford to *London* commuters clogging u

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The browser version always gives me the next four journey opportunities, if you pick the "Depart at" option, so some of that is immediately at hand.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The Google Maps app on my Android phone has the same "Depart At/Arrive By/Last" options as the browser, as well the radio buttons for selecting which public transport modes. And another set for "Best Route/Fewer Transfers/Less Walking

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Because from Lincoln there might not be a "London Thameslink" fare, or I might not be aware of its existence. Can you get AP tickets to London Thameslink? [The answer to the latter is "No - not from Lincoln".] And even if I did have a

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

I have had a Garmin SatNav do that on the A3. At a rough guess the traffic just before had been dense on the main flyover, causing the SatNav to divert via the relatively empty "better route" down below.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 13 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Most modern pointwork, certainly in the UK, is fully tensioned throughout and doesn't need the sliding joints at either end. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 13 Hours ago by: nib

I think continuous welded rail is not supposed to expand - at least over most of its length. It stays the same length and instead the tension changes as the temperature changes, high tension when cold, lower tension when hot (or even

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Pamela

My main interest is to know if the timetable info shown in Google maps is materially less up-to-date than the train or coach operator's own web site.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Pamela

That semblence of total confidence is the problem. The info looks spot-on but is it? I'll try Moovit. I have been using the Trainline app which I find is much better that National Rail's own app.

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

150-220, not an excessive 190. <https://www.specifiedby.com/building-regulations/approved-document-k-protection-falling-collision-impact>

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

I thought it was movements to and from the depot on the Victory Line? But as these trains all have ATO, it should be possible with any of them.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

No, I was thinking of the need to accommodate linear movements at sliding joints. I hadn't considered additional vertical forces, but they may also be a factor.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Tweed

I was specifically talking about electronic tickets, ie the ones you receive as a pdf, in an app etc. There’s no re-equipment to be done there.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Wasn't there discussion about 10-11 years ago about introducing auto reversing on the Northern Line?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Or the Beeb trying to dramatise everything.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

At the sliding joint (these days only installed at the ends of CWR sections where they meet jointed track, though in older installations they're either side of pointwork), there are extra strengthening components (usually bullhead rail on

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Not really, just give them your railcard number when they're purchasing. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: MB

But fingerprints are normally used to identify someone but you would expect other evidence to get a conviction. Like DNA they are a useful way of narrowing down the number of suspects but both not infallible.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Certes

If your first purchase is a variable-weight item priced "each" rather than "per kg", such as a melon, you can probably sneak a bag or two onto the scale with it. But you shouldn't have to.

Re: scan me, baby, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: John Levine

My local supermarket has a phone app that uses the phone's camera to scan the barcodes as I shop and put stuff in my bag. When I weigh veg, the scale shows a barcode I can scan, so I don't need to print a label or even to use a separate b

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

English. Other regulations can either lead or lag in accordance with particular needs and/or type of premises. Not for domestic premises apparently. 190-220 seems to be commonly quoted.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Quite possible for many people to be alarmed when the unusual movement is recognised before the full circumstances are recognised. Most drivers will do it often where an unusual road layout makes it look initially like an approaching vehi

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

They didn't raise it before when a tankful could exceed the limit. The pump stopped at the limit. It is possible to fill up more than once at the same place but I have never done it at the same pump.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Or both in cooperation? The exceptions I have experienced were back in mag stripe days at individual supermarkets which is suggestive of localised fraud. I wouldn't expect the bank to actively manage a supermarket's fraud risk beyond supp

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Clank

(Speaking to myself, bad habit I know) - maybe you mean 'vertical' flexibility, or more to the point the ability to resist any 'hammer blow' from wheels crossing a joint which might cause concrete to crack...? That would make a lot of s

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Clank

Internationally, I find the answer to be "incredibly variable", for local transport at least - in some cities they may be great, in others they are woefully inaccurate (giving times for routes that ceased to exist years ago in one annoyi

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Yes but IME they cannot be relied upon to be fully working, having no labels left being the usual defect. Thus providing plan B for weighing.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Insurers use addresses as a significant factor in determining risk/premium so the precise relationship could be relatively insignificant. I would presume thar second drivers are subject to the same basic checks (previous claims, accidents

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Clank

That is plausible, yes; unfortunately my train was non-stop through there and I didn't spot if there was a join at those points. (Genuine non-argumentative question) does it 'work that way' though? I presume rail expansion-contraction i

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The offence lies in using a vehicle in or on a highway or public place without insurance. A vehicle cannot use itself so the user (usually the driver) gets it in the neck if there is no correct insurance in force. In theory the vehicle it

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Clank

Indeed; I make a conscious choice to use Carrefour as often as possible for the 'big shop' because their self-checkouts are essentially just a regular checkout without the staff - nice big belt to arrange your bags on while you're packin

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Not if it’s just an option

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

My local Sainsbury’s pumps claim to be able to scan loyalty (just Nectar?) cards, but since I don’t have one I’ve never had to test it. I visited a different Sainsbury’s recently and it doesn’t have pay at pump, but the pumps d

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

MX2 Sam

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I’ve recently noticed some which have the new, inclined pad on the top of the terminal but also put up a “touch here” message on the screen when the payment is activated. Uhhhh…? Sam

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Makes me want to Shout.

Re: Concrete or wooden sleepers - why choose one or the other? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

Could it be a section where two long continuously welded rails are joined, where more flexibility is required?

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

Why would you book to London Terminals rather than to London Thameslink? You then need validators only at Farringdon for switching to/from LU services. All the other potential interchange points involve passing through a TfL gateline any

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

Well, what they actually said was Neighbourhood officers stopped the driver of this vehicle in New Barns Road, Ely over the weekend and reported him for no insurance, dangerous driving and using a motor vehicle on a road with a lo

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

But why would they want to do, and I quote, “tedious admin”? Sam

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

The BBC story says that "The driver was reported for having no insurance", and the police post on Facebook says that the officers who stopped the car "reported [the driver] for no insurance". Obviously, you can't read too much into a t

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

I don't believe you can steal and use fingerprints nearly as easily as you think.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

Because then they'll have an idea of how much effort and manpower a task will require or whether its possible at all. They'll also be able to discuss issues and future upgrades with higher management and customers beyond "I'll get back

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

The sea level calculations are completely unnecessary, as both the stations in question have the same height of 14m above sea level. The UK building regulations states that steps must have a height between 150-170mm. This a requirement

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Nobody

The gift that keeps on Gibbing...

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Clive Page

The limit for fuel purchase with pay-at-pump still seems to be £100. I wonder when they will have to raise that, given that filling a gas-guzzler is now likely to cost more than that?

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I’ve seen that happen with Waze when there was slow moving traffic on the main carriageway. I suspect it may have happened when I was in slow moving traffic on the M90 approaching the Queensferry Crossing last week. There was about a

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Yes, I’d sort of gathered that. It also has disclaimers about the suitability of the chosen route! Sam

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

(a) not everything is a battle (b) the subject under discussion is something which I'd introduced to the discussion (c) the specific point which I was re-introducing to the discussion was something I'd said, and had been forgotten in t

Re: Train travel better on strike says (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Clive Page

Well I haven't had to travel on a strike day, but that what the news reports are saying. One other interesting effect: I used to commute from Luton to Leicester, and until fairly recently there were direct trains morning and evening tak

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

And making it really inconvenient to purchase tickets for other people. Sam

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Genuine question: Why do you think that people who manage should be ones with solid experience of the field they’re working in? Wouldn’t they rather be doing the work like you do? Sam

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

Unless they physically re-route the LU lines, there will inevitably be some walking involved getting from one line's platforms to another. After all, there are three Tube lines and one SSL station, and the platforms aren't adjacent. But

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Or more likely just playing up for the cameras making the most of her 2 nanoseconds of Z list fame.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Always a first time!

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

You've missed the point. If your biometrics are stolen thats it, you can never use them again and unlike passwords you can't choose new fingerprints or iris scans or a face. It also makes it far more likely someone could steal your entir

Re: What happened to the Circle line? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No, they need to do it when switching to a "paper" ticket. Take this use-case, I have a "paper" ticket from London Terminals, and only want to use contactless inside Z1. What good does having a validator at Peterborough, where I change

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Funny. I've specifically avoided management roles because A) I'm already earning a similar salary and B) why would I do tedious admin when I can do something far more productive and interesting with a sense of accomplishment at the end.

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

I wonder if they timetable it so the regen from a train coming down powers a train going up? I've never thought to check. Otherwise thats a lot of lost energy which probably won't be all used by trains back down the line.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's possible, very little of the footage is time-stamped verbally let alone visibly. But the aura surrounding the programme was that it covered fairly recent incidents. Best clue is perhaps the 3yr (I think) previous experience as a

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <jpibbhh2omk8j529s7ne3hm2819e6483ge@4ax.com>, at 15:34:05 on Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Not on the certificate, I forget if the relationship was one of the questions asked by th

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <509bbh98hjmv3ij419slbbq59hckjm9rqr@4ax.com>, at 12:48:15 on Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked: What's remarkable is they felt confident saying that so publicly so quickly.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

I think Auto Reverse testing had just started when that was shot.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The police report said "no insurance", not "uninsured driver", so I don't think it's settled yet. But I'm getting very bored with this.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Sounds like a major re-equipment job, new ticket machines everywhere for a start.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.transport.london

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I've not found one yet. cf Amex and their "No preset spending limit", which actually meant "we will change your spending limit up and down on a whim, because it's not 'set' ".

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That diagram has both long passageways, and lacks an aerial view (which is what I saw earlier and would be a better guide).

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No to which? One or the other, or both? It's drafted ambiguously. But you seem determined not to re-draft it.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Like I said, I've postponed a 'road' trip (because of the rail unions) and one of the things I'll be looking for is some signage on the building saying what it's called. The best indicator so far is TfL publications calling it the "Lon

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Or at some point in the three years before being filmed, been on one of the EL trains in question.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Perhaps we could take advantage of electronic ticketing by ridding ourselves of this need for separate cards. When buying online it could check you’ve purchased a railcard from a database and issue the appropriate ticket, with your pict

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <kq1ebhp2mlp4407dum8dpde5to6e3ere53@4ax.com>, at 14:05:11 on Sat, 25 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Yes. Volunteered by the store, or imposed by the banking risk assessors? FWIW none of t

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <471ebhpba9jla5klgf5son0e2c87s37jok@4ax.com>, at 13:56:25 on Sat, 25 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Aren't those sorts of scales at the veg counters, rather than next to the self-service ti

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They've done an awful lot of restructuring in the mean time, including losing the lucrative[tm] FCC franchise. And according to Wikipedia: "In January 2020, SWR announced that they were in discussions with the government regarding the

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The trains freight got running again after the crossing-bash late yesterday evening. As for what someone is doing in a cabin at a crossing like that all day, well maybe something which more modern working methods might eliminate. <htt

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I don't know if they can be set to discriminate between different railcards. Last time it happened to me was at Waterloo a few months ago when it was stopping senior and student railcards at least, judging by the people involved.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lew 1

That seems to be the standard setup at Waitrose self service tills. Mind you, they don’t have bag-pack weighing scales either. They can obviously be set at different levels: Sainsburys seem to basically accept anything as long as the w

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Chris J Dixon

Which reminds me of what I was told on a visit to Silverstone. Apparently, for one of the early races there, the circuit was laid out so that, on one of the old runways, cars were approaching in opposite directions before turning sharply

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

I suspect they had to shoot a lot of footage to get that little clip!

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lew 1

They do claim that… but there are plenty of retailers who have not updated their systems to allow it - deliberately or otherwise. See also Apple Pay supposedly having no limit at all… but many retailers have not got that set up on th

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Perhaps it was something to do with travelling on a railcard as has been mentioned elsewhere, but I normally do travel on a railcard and there hasn’t usually been a problem. Just looking for the ‘D’ on the ticket would account for

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Set by a coordinating/cooperating body? AFAIAA individual retailers can still have a lower floor limit which forces Chip and PIN at a lesser amount.

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I was about to say something similar - curse you, earworm! <shakes fist> Sam

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

My contact is saying that the man at the Third Drove crossing is sitting in his cabin as normal - it’s not clear what he does there - and doesn’t seem to be on strike. No other obvious consequences that far north. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Jeremy Double

I was using a Senior railcard…

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lew 1

I am genuinely astonished by that. I find it easier to remember times when I *haven’t* had my ticket rejected by the gate at some point on a journey. Lew

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Jeremy Double

In this case, the paper ticket was one of the large flimsy one with a 2-d barcode to work the barriers, not a credit card size one with a magstripe. So both smartphones and my paper ticket were using the same scanner on the barriers. Ye

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Charles Ellson

Sainsbury's at Fulham Wharf does that with loose veg but AFAIR the tills still have their own scales.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

At Wilko here they want you to put the items in the output-chute, which is inconveniently far from where the hand-held scanner is for a customer DIY rather than an employee on the other side of the counter. I usually scoop items out of

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

FirstGroup just paid dividend for the first time since 2013. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I tells me I could walk to Edinburgh in a little over 100hrs, but that's without any breaks. [The algorithm is merely 3mph, by the way]

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Not that many years ago I was driving up the M6 near Carlisle and for whatever reason (glitch in the algorithms) it sent me off on a slip road and back down again the other side.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe not confuse the situation by fighting someone else's battle then. But the point here is does the barrier assistant ask the adult how old the children are, and accept the answer without question, or something else. They are get

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Tweed

Perhaps they have duff ones in Ely. I can pick things out of my basket/trolley and scan them and put them in my bag almost as easily as placing them on the belt for the cashier.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

People do them here as well, the British-English is "Garage sale". Maybe we have quite a lot of US servicemen and families attached to the bases, and they don't get a great deal of notice before being re-posted somewhere else, and have

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

The only ones I've seen away from the manned tills are on the tills where you check-out the self-scanned-while-shopping basket, and the staff use it to re-scan the whole lot if you apparently look disreputable enough.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roger Lynn

There was no near miss, hoax or otherwise. The driver was apparently alarmed at seeing a train coming the other way without a driver.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I don't actually find the Wilko handheld scanners very easy to use. And for buying more than two or three items it'd be painfully slow.

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I've now done a site visit, and there's not much to see. The gate on the outside of the bend on the Littleport side is missing, so the car must have been on the wrong side of the road as well as failing to stop. The Obstacle Detection

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

Available in many supermarkets.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

That is unusual, I've usually found the gate-line staff at Southampton more than usually friendly and helpful.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

The point is with railcard tickets you can buy them from machines and on-line without having to produce the card. A time when a lot of people with a particular type of card will be travelling is a good time to run a station block for t

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

What we need is the two heights above/below sea level. So DLR@Bank is 41.4 minus 14 = 27.4 If Tower Gateway is the same height as Tower Hill (a reasonable assumption) then we have 14 plus 59*(0.12) = 21 (other estimates of step height

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I mentioned that. It doesn't solve the problem I mentioned, though. The app version does all that too. The only thing you can't do on Google maps app which you can on the website is drag and drop a route to different roads. The liv

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Harefield Hospital groundhog day?

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Except there are no dividends, and what's happening is those private companies are either handing back the keys or selling that bit of their organisation. One hopes that not very many pension funds still have shares invested in these

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

They are mainly striking to support their colleagues at National Rail, not because of a dispute of their own. Although there is some independent dispute at Greater Anglia (I haven't looked up the details). And you have to look at the

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I didn't mention anything at all about how the age was verified, that was someone else. But I did mention being accompanied by an adult, before the age verification question was raised, and I was simply pointing out that contrary to your

Train travel better on strike says

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

On the ECML at least the strike is providing a better travel experience. I have a relative who has travelled on strike days from/to London to/from the NE. Restrictions on which train you can use have been lifted and passenger loadings are v

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Wilson

My three examples (Android and iPad apps, desktop web browser) all offer a “leave at”, “arrive by” and “last” option when using PT. The browser version also lets you pick a time for driving and estimates the traffic. Weirdly

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken

Normally the case, except for a particularly obnoxious individual at Southampton last month. I walked up to him, showed my Rover and said that they don't work gates. He insisted I try. The gate he told me to use wasn't working so he he ma

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken

Yes. It seems to be one of those things like not selling off-peak tickets until the last peak train has departed. It stems from the railways absolute terror of fare evasion. They seem as if they'd happily inconvenience thousands of peopl

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

You’d best not start moaning about dividends going to foreign companies, otherwise someone will be moaning about overseas dividends flowing to the UK to pay your pension.

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Thanks, I’d guessed about RTT. Thanks for that too. I’ll see if my contacts in the area know anything. Sam

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken

I'll take your word for it, because a yard sale isn't something I know of. I thought it was an American thing, a sort of one-person self-hosted boot sale. Most charity events are organised by - wait for it - charities. They don't organis

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

That is exactly my point. A decent handheld scanner and no weighing of purchases transforms the self scan experience.

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Ta

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

No, they were passing on adjacent lines, but there was a crossover in the vicinity, with the points clearly set correctly. It really wasn't a remotely scary situation, just trains passing at modest speeds on adjacent lines, the other w

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

I doubt that much pension fund money is invested in the railways — it's a lousy investment. Most assets are owned directly by NR, and hence the government, and most staff are effectively employed in the public sector, either directly o

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

One thing to beware of is that it will give the quickest journey for leaving *now* (or at the time you specify); for example, if your departure time falls into a gap in the timetable and getting three buses and two changes of train gets y

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I haven't seen the programme yet, but presumably that's a situation where trains approach each other on the same line, and both turn off at points at the last possible moment? As a driver, that's not a situation encountered regularly; in

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, I guess she must never have travelled on the DLR!

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The bypass has a bridge over the railway, of course. That suggests it was someone who spun off on the bend, coming from the Littleport direction. All the "works" for the flashy new automatic full barrier crossing are on the Peterborou

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But you didn't mention them asking the adult to confirm the age, just looking at the child. That sort of thing is the Achilles Heel of many transport discount schemes (for tourists). I remember going to an Eastern European capital ab

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Which bit of the DLR, track level or platform level?

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: JGD

I did try to get through there soon after 7pm last night from Ely --> Littleport (old road = old A10, not the new bypass). But couldn't really make out what was going on from the back of a short queue. Barriers down, lots of blue flashin

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

The DLR is 41.4m below street level at Bank, and on an embankment at Tower Gateway (59 steps up from street level).

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Is Hampstead in central London? No, onve again a lack of attention by you to what they actually said. Not really surprising, as the DLR crosses underneath the Northern Line.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

On the third visit in a week I'd expect them to remember the face, maybe after the fifth visit over a month, the drink. How does that work? You bump into someone and remember their name, but not the face... I'm systemically averse t

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Aren't RMT members in TOCs also striking? I think that's one reason for the minimal service even on the non-strike days this week. I think it's a long time since running a TOC was very profitable. Some of the early ones were, but th

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Th University station episode could be caused by the barriers being set to reject tickets bought with a railcard so the staff can check that the ticket holders actually have the relevant railcards. Come across that a few times recently

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Clive Page

What makes you think that? It's a formula that has been used just about every year for about the last 30 years. With fuel prices for road vehicles going up by a lot more than that, a 12% increase in rail fares won't seem so bad that t

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And I bet they have signs on the pumps prohibiting the use of mobile phones DUH! That's what it's like at the BP garages here (who also have an app). There's that too, although it depends how much stuff there is in the shop to buy in

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Wilko doesn't have those.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

At the CoOp here, the self-scan tills don't have scales. You have to use a separate set of scales which prints out a barcode to attach to the weighed produce.

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Third Drove is the nearest RTT data point, the crossing is at Chettisham (on the old A10). Reports that road is still closed (it's fairly busy and also a bus route, albeit not that many buses). I expect they'll be needing to replace o

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Thanks. Can you clarify the actual location because I’ve forgotten the details of the earlier discussion - Third Drove crossing is AHB not full barrier. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Try booking significant journeys with cycle reservations online. It’s horrendous. I think I’ve only once ever had a paper ticket rejected by a gate. The member of staff who was manning the gateline took a very casual glance at the

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Ken

The readers of paper tickets seem very reliable. The problem I find in TfL land is that the readers are broken on oo many gates, making no attempt to suck in the ticket. And, as has been reported here before, many perfectly valid paper

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Ah yes, we used to have people assigned to Special Projects, usually senior people whose roles were redefined after a reorganisation. Also referred to be some people as “Retirement In Post”. Sam

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Still the same as I posted earlier "details sketchy". No actual news reports, just chatter on Facebook about the road being closed, the collateral damage visible on RTT, and brief notes at NRES (which fail to say when it reopened).

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Ken

Yet it hasn't happened in 66 years. Odd.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Ken

I agree. Google Maps is good at reflecting delays, but less good at replanning a route as delays occur. Google is even very good at accurately predicting when my local bus will actually turn up. But I was let down about a month ago. I w

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The aren't actually that far apart, and there used to be a regular bus, which I caught once on a trip from EU to Luton (then via Hitchin) back to my office in Peterborough. Brussels paid for my air fare, and ground transportation at th

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Actually, do you have a link to a news report of some kind? Sam

Re: Politicians on track again? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The line serves her constituency, and she's been campaigning for improvements to the rail service for years. Here she is being "absolutely delighted" at the go-ahead being given 10yrs ago for the £25m upgrade. Hang on a moment, where's

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It as shown in the V documentary the other week (but that was likely trial running). When the ex-bus driver with three years experience on the EL was squealing about the hoax near-miss with the train coming the other way.

Re: Politicians on track again? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

One of the people looks rather like the Foreign Secretary, but I expect she’d be too busy to stand on a railway for a local story. Sam

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That still doesn't help me put a cross in the diary.

Re: Different kind of bash in Ely (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

To be fair, at the underpass the van’s cab is generally intact and the van doesn’t burst into flames. Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Jeremy Double

They need to make the automatic ticket machines quicker and slicker if they want to get rid of ticket office staff: it takes less than half the time to go to the staffed window at my local station than to use the machine. And I won’t u

Re: [OT} Bavaria train crash (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

ITYF it’s been different since long before that, sometimes awkwardly - Wallace and Bruce refer. Sam

Re: Politicians on track again? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Including this his one here (four councillors, one later to become mayor, and an MEP) trespassing in 2013 on the live tracks where they were campaigning for the reopening of Soham Station <https://images.cm.archant.co.uk/resource/image/

Re: Politicians on track again? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Normally, people standing on railway tracks for a photo-opportunity (whether it's electrified or not) is "a story".

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

If the track at Tower Gateway is more than 22m above sea level. The Circle Line at Tower Hill is 7m above sea level, but I can't picture how much above that the DLR might be.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Tweed

Seems to be accurate today. The MML is shut for engineering works at the southern end. A journey from the East Midlands correctly shows the rail replacement bus between Luton and Hitchin. Says there is a wait at Luton of “up to 7 minute

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Gnash, while Bank is on the Northern Line, the DLR concourse isn't! Anyway, that's wrong because Hampstead is 58m below street level. Once again a lack of attention to detail regarding the difference between Street and Sea level. Mean

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <31mbbh9d9jgcc5kv93iup4uo54uuao7802@4ax.com>, at 16:29:22 on Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: That was Waterloo. The connection at Bank doesn't have much in the way of corridors.

Re: Drax (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

While all this is true, the National Rail spokesperson made a specific point about heroically continuing to deliver fuel to power stations (which turns out to be not delivering fuel to the one power station that's relevant).

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Given this strike is about Railtrack workers (although other strikes are in the pipeline) none of the ticket revenue goes to Network Rail. What they get are track-access charges (plus a huge Treasury grant), and the track access charge

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Tweed

I don’t think the software is working properly. I presume that since there’s nobody to jump in if things go wrong it has to be perfect. In one of the recent TV programmes it was stated it took 10 months between identifying a bug and t

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The advertised times of the trains are spot-in, even on strike days (I just checked a local trip from a station without a service today, and it said catch a bus to the nearest station with a service, and change there). That includes th

Different kind of bash in Ely

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Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yesterday evening, at the only full-barrier crossing (we've discussed its obstacle detection system before) car has crashed through the barriers and caught on fire. No train involved apparently, but other details sketchy. NR probably hav

Jacobite

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Posted: 4 Days 7 Hours ago by: MB

I noticed as I passed Fort William station yesterday that the Jacobite seems to be running on the days between the strikes. Looked reasonably busy too,

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Recliner

I don't think the unions are to blame on this one. Apparently, it's a technical issue, but I don't have any details.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 11 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Unions? Vienna U-Bahn uses auto reverse on its relay tracks, BTW.

Re: Drax (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 12 Hours ago by: Recliner

Surely that's true of all power generators?

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 12 Hours ago by: John Levine

It varies by bank. American Express is reported to have a $200 limit. I couldn't tell you what the limit for my bank (HSBC) is other than it's more than I've ever spent at the grocery store.

Re: Rail strikes and RPI (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

Apparently, the biggest gap was over whether the essential job losses should be voluntary or compulsory, and the employers are likely to concede on that one. It seems that there will be plenty of takers for the voluntarily redundancy pack

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

They didn't have a choice. It's what comes of not owning or having exclusive use of most of the tracks the service runs on. Yes, though the TPWS will eventually be replaced by ETCS. No, CBTC was needed for the high frequency core, a

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's funny, but I don't even notice the rock hard seats any more. They hit me when I first encountered them, almost five years ago, but now I just expect similarly awful seats in most new trains. For example, the GatEx 387s have far worse

Rail strikes and RPI

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Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Clive Page

The current rail strikes are largely because the unions want a pay increase of 7% but the employers are only offering around 3%. It seems worth pointing out that RPI is likely to be around 10% in August which (I think) is the point at wh

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Clive Page

No, the original EL trains I took were Heathrow to Paddington, and then after the awkward change, Paddington to Farringdon. So there were some intermediate stops. I guess that explanation is that I only looked at the display when it ju

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Clive Page

Yes, that must be it. Or, just possibly, the only times I looked at the display it only showed the name of the next station.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

BTW, I'm not quite certain why Crossrail decided to have three different signalling systems for the Liz. I understand that the Heathrow Branch is ETCS, whereas the core and Abbey Wood Branch are CBTC, while the outer ends are TPWS. Wo

Re: Drax (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Bevan Price

I would also add that some power stations shut down for maintenance purposes when demand is low. Fiddlers Ferry (now closed) used to shut for maintenance for around 2-3 weeks each year in summer.

Re: Drax (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Bevan Price

They won't need to produce as much power on hot summer days. Also, there are always gaps between deliveries of biomass to ports such as Liverpool or Immingham.

Re: Train timetable in Google Maps (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Bevan Price

Sorry, no idea. Personally I tend to avoid almost anything from Google and other "big names" if alternatives are available, and would prefer to use here: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ For shortish, simple trips, I might also use Rea

Train timetable in Google Maps

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Pamela

How accurate are the train times given by Google Maps when it plans a journey? I am not thinking of unusual days, such as when there are strikes but ordinary days.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Tweed

The calibration department

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 16 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Or when an MD is trying to find a place for somebody who serves no purpose, yet cannot be dismissed.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

Ah, that's a perceptive question!

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The railway likes to move people like that 'sideways' to "Special Projects" where they can't cause harm. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've arrowed above where being accompanied by an adult was mentioned. Indeed not; postal submission with photo and proof of age required.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

On your third visit? I'm the opposite, I tend to remember people's names far better than faces. I tend to end up having generic conversations with people who clearly know me because they greet me by name, and I have literally no idea

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

When I've added named drivers IIRC I've had to specify their relationship to me (which includes the option of 'unrelated'/friend). But not, IIRC, their address. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Definitely not in passenger service, the core has platform edge doors and the door spacing is all wrong for 315s. Definitely not ECS during normal working, the core has in-cab signalling, which 315s don't have. As a special working,

Re: Politicians on track again? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Theo

The regular 'story' being people on the permanent way for a photo opportunity without appropriate trackside training or PPE, putting themselves at risk of being hit by a train. In particular politicians who should know better. They're a

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

The Peter Principle I believe <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle>

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Not if (as I suspect) the door spacing doesn't match, probably plus many other reasons such as the signalling system.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Ah yes - far more succinct than my half-memories! Lew

Re: Politicians on track again? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roger Lynn

Is that the URL you intended to post? It links to an image of two people who appear to be standing on an electrified railway. There is no story.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Ken

I don't see why they can't take cards. All you need now is a terminal which costs from about £25. Even Big Issue sellers have terminals in some cases.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

There is still a lot of truth in that, although greater understanding of the necessary skillset required for management has tended to diminish it. It's most common in places which still have the mindset that all promotion should be inter

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Just out of curiosity, can the loading gauge within the EL core capacitate 315s? Is there any prospect of them operating in revenue service there?

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Chris J Dixon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle "The Peter principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter, which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to "a level of respective incompetence": employees are

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

I mean the scales fitted to weigh every purchase to check you are putting the correct thing in your bag, not scales to weigh loose veg etc.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Isn’t there a school of thought that, the way most western companies are structured, you will *always* end up with people promoted beyond their ability because the only time their aptitude for higher role is tested is once they’ve rec

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

That may well be your experience of being promoted to management. It in't true for everybody. Mark

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Which is exactly why the express travel mode exists for smartphones. You don’t even have to bring the phone out of standby for it to work… hold it up to an oyster reader and bam, through you go with the relevant fare being taken from

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Theo

I suspect many commercial drivers are on fuel cards - do those work in pay at pump? Esso doesn't have pay at pump, they have an app instead. But individual garages have to opt into it, and many don't. They claim the pay at pump machi

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Right, I’ve just been and walked the entire length of an EL class 345, above ground, to avoid all doubt and confusion. The front of the train has a single-line orange LED display showing only the final destination. The sides of the

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Immediately as in no other type of train was used on those services in between the two types mentioned. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, that's quite a spectacular descent (round a curve) in a short distance. The drop must be over 50m.

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

And don't you know it when the DLR does its rollcoaster ride from the viaduct at tower hill down to bank.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

True :/

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

You keep the card you use for transport on 1 side of the wallet and the rest on the other then you just flip it open onto the pad. Obviously if your wallet is not a folding type this won't work of course and you'll have the problem you m

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

From <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/england/london/articles/London-Underground-150-fascinating-Tube-facts/> In Central London the deepest station below street level is also on the Northern line. It

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

You need to do some people-watching. Joe Public can be fairly stupid.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Ah, pressed "send" too quick. AIUI insurers cannot get out of covering the legal minimum "Road Traffic Act" element of insurance but IIRC that only covers third party death and personal injury not damage.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

There does seem to be a grey area between stupidity and criminality with different insurers drawing their trigger point in different positions. Some will just be doing the "small print" trick to get out of paying a claim while others migh

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Bob

Correct. Credit cards offer far stronger protections than debit cards for exactly this reason, which is why if you are buying anything from a vendor you have even the slightest concerns about, it is far safer to use a credit rather th

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

There used to be a difference in the amount of time you had to keep VAT records compared with ordinary receipts but that was harmonised when Inland Revenue and Customs & Excise were amalgamated.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Bob

Trouble is I have multiple cards that have contactless payment options on them in my wallet, and I'm not confident that I can be sure which of them would be recognised by the oyster reader (or if it will simply throw an error for mult

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Isn't that calculation spoiled by some sloping bits of pedestrian tunnel?

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Difficulties are now probably physical rather than procedural. Incidentally, one bit of subterranean "clutter" that has turned up via the Land Registry is an LUL cable tunnel "ten feet in internal diameter at a depth of thrity[sic]-seve

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

The scales on the self-serve tills are exactly the same as the those on the manned tills.

Re: Plug doors (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Theo

Single leaf sliding doors are less wasteful on high speed trains where they sit near the carriage ends (inhabited by toilets, luggage racks, etc) than on commuter trains where there are double-leaf doors at 1/3 and 2/3 and the door pocket

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

Would Third Party insurance be withdrawn in case of gross negligence or or illegal use of the vehicle? In Germany, Third Party Insurance must cough up in the first place but can then sue the driver in the second place. If I'm maimed b

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Current vague sampling locally and across various bits of London - Aldi, Lidl - touch on the screen Tesco, Sainsbury's - touch above the screen ASDA - about 50/50 ? The newer readers seem to be the current standard where supermarkets ot

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Muttley

What clown keeps their wallet/cards in their back pocket? You might as well have a sign saying "Nick me" on your backside.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Muttley

If you pay with a debit contactless its absolutely not a loan and if you get scammed then you're going to have fun arguing the toss with the bank.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Muttley

Yeah, eight. Just have the card/oyster you wish to use in one side of a wallet you flip open onto the pad and walk straight through. No farting about with clunky phone apps or id.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Muttley

Until someone clones it then good luck changing your fingerprints. Ditto iris scans.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Muttley

IME people get promoted to management based on how much noise they've made or arse licking they've done. It has little to do with any ability either with their current role or ability to manage. Leadership != management. Management is m

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Muttley

Do keep it , this is highly amusing :)

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Muttley

I've tried arguing the point with you but then you kicked off about Healy so really, what do you expect?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

I didn't have reason to follow it up as it had not cost me anything extra and there was no amount due from me for the journey anyway. The only "loser" was possibly my bank having to pay the postage for the statement.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Would third party insurance be withdrawn because the driver was doing something stupid? The insurance exists to protect others.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Is he actually specified as your son?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

I'm not sure if that particular loading would be a certification matter rather than grossly exceeding the manufacturer's recommendations as given in a vehicle handbook (i.e. the overload was "bleedin' obvious"). That normally involves a l

Re: [OT} Bavaria train crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Just like every other country which isn't England. Maybe not that simple. It sometimes has to be established that the actions are or now are criminal (e.g. rape within marriage as an important recent Scottish example) rather than proving

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

At 8am on a Sunday morning?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

Almost two years earlier: Back in 2018, TfL Rail became the operators of the five Class 360s from Heathrow Connect, but replaced these with Class 345s from July 2020, with the last one withdrawn in September 2020. Since December 2020, a

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Immediately as the day before the EL opened, a week later, a week earlier... ?

Politicians on track again?

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

<https://images.cm.archant.co.uk/resource/image/9095806/landscape_ratio 16x9/640/360/44ce026e7f066ab75c7495c4c52e850e/kT/webimage-87bcbd5f-9d4f- 4e5f-8e063280af67da5b.png> Is becoming a bit of a local issue. The main story is the governme

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

Whew! That's much worse than my already bad three recent experiences in that baggage hall. There were a lot of dumped bags there, probably belonging to pax from previous flights who'd given up waiting, and gone home. And my next trip,

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

They probably need to start installing cafes in the baggage halls. My son arrived at Heathrow T3 last Sunday (from LAX) and it took 3 hours for the bags to come up.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

How would they obtain any kind of Oyster card in the baggage collection hall? You have to go through Customs and head to the Tube station first. And you've obviously not flown in the modern era if you think the bags arrive in five minu

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

Surely it's just that you didn't wait for the display to cycle round? One of the displays is indeed the next stop, but it then moves on to the more useful next-three-stops-destination and the altogether useless security message. Most pr

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

I think that’s mainly because self scan tills are so bad. The ones that have scales are terrible as you have to wait for each purchase to settle. Even those that don’t have these have scanners that aren’t that good at finding the ba

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I know that too, but it doesn't provide an answer accurate to the nearest metre. However, don't you have an app which shows the number of steps between lines, and knowing what a step's height is, maybe you can deduce the result by ste

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

So why don’t they print a credit/debit card receipt that has all the information on it? Even when I lay at a petrol station kiosk they hand me a credit card receipt and then ask if I need a vat receipt. If I buy something at a supermark

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The visual assessment above didn't specify any interaction with an accompanying adult. Only because the procedure is probably so bureaucratic you couldn't hope to get it done in five minutes while waiting for your luggage of come off

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But it's a valuable asset in hospitality staff at venues which have many "regulars". Some regulars might say it was an almost essential part of the experience - walk through the door and, the barman greets you glass-in hand with "Your

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Or even if they purport to provide, don't work half the time. My Sainsbury's pumps don't do Nectar, and the Tesco pumps have only accepted key-fob (so scanned rather than swiped) loyalty cards since they were upgraded about 18 months

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Whereas now that Covid precautions are winding down, I must experience about once a week. Technophobia. My local quite big CoOp installed three self-scan tills about six weeks ago, and de-manned their four - but rarely more than one

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Except for the internal displays, which I therefore conclude must be fitted to only 69 units out of the fleet of 70. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Plug doors (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Recliner

Plug doors seal better for high speed trains. Hitachi has to fit a pressure mechanism to seal the doors once they close. But sliding doors remain the norm in Japan, and Hitachi stuck to its normal design.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Clive Page

2nd day after the EL started. No, it looked like the EL trains are supposed to look like.

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Recliner

The thick, brick tunnel walls were under the pavements, which is where the station access would be. In any case, why do you think they would have had any trouble acquiring a very modest space for a station exit?

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Recliner

Oops, I sent it too soon. The plan is to create a new, unified underground station, with a link from the eastern end of the Euston Square platforms. There will be a new entrance to the joint LU station in Gordon Street, south of the Eust

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Recliner

Yes, as shown here: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/52165266721/in/album-72177720299998834/> The initial route to both LU lines is towards the eastern Way Out. Then, there's a split from the central concourse tunnel, with the N

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Mark Goodge

Another good example is football, for those who follow it. Historically, it has almost always been the case that the very best managers (eg, the likes of Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Arsene Wenger, and going back further, Alf Ramsey) wer

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mark Goodge

The only agitation I've seen comes from those who seem to think there's something remarkable about the fact that the police stated that the driver was uninsured. Mark

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mark Goodge

Most large insurers have 24x7 hotlines for their customers, on the basis that an accident can happen at any time. Even those which don't have at least some availability at weekends and bank holidays. And the police have access to number

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

Has to say VAT receipt or invoice and give Tesco's VAT number, can't off-hand remember what else, I deregistered from VAT around 10 years ago

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I like to have a receipt with the number of litres of fuel stated (and the price per litre), whereas sometimes in-store all you get is the card transaction receipt unless you ask for the VAT receipt (which has the information I want). OTO

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Not every person has the capacity to remember every person they meet. I struggle with faces, so if you were a customer at a retail place I was working (eg shop, bar) I'd probably not recognise you on your third visit of the week, unless w

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

Because it has to have VAT relevant information including the VAT number of the petrol station operator. Most pump machines merely produce a Credit card receipt. Which, incidentally, is another reason for using the manned till, current

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

Never having the need of a VAT receipt it is something I don’t understand. Why isn’t the standard receipt (which pay at pump devices issue unless they have run out of paper) good enough? Newer pay at pump machines accept loyalty car

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

A named driver ought to be able to proffer the address of the policy holder. Anyway, a named driver won’t have rights to drive another vehicle third party. This is a privilege granted to the policy holder only (on most standard policies

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

On that theme, local Facebook groups report the convenience store will no longer change a note into coins, for charity/yard-sale folks to be able to give change. Of course, such people won't have the ability to take cards. I've no ide

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

It’s you that seem to be the most agitated.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Some staff just seemed programmed to have a bad attitude. One particular thing I notice is whether or not if it's the third time I've been in there in a week and they just look straight through you like you were a stranger, whereas at

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I used to do it to get a VAT receipt which the pumps don't provide. Also I suspect they don't deal with loyalty cards, eg Nectar.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

Then stop stating that it is a question that remains unanswered.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

I, quite literally, can’t remember the last time I *had* to pay with cash. Which brings me to a related matter. At petrol stations where every pump is pay at pump significant numbers of folk, around half, still go to pay inside and most

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

Here’s Apple’s take on using an iPhone on TFL https://www.apple.com/uk/apple-pay/transport/ Explains it clearly enough.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

But it will vary hugely by individual circumstance. Taxi will be most popular for Bristol Airport at 2am for people who live within 5 miles of the airport, undoubtedly; but I very much doubt it's the most common way for people who live in

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

What prevents a series of walk-up fares being amalgamated into a daily/weekly cap? Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

Because without such a card you have to ask to be let through the gate line by the attendant, who may not be immediately available. That I imagine becomes tiresome. Fine for a visit, a pain if you live in the area.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: MB

True but there are many things much have a very low risk of fraudulent transactions. They normally seem to go for high value items tha can be sold on.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Ken

Contortion? Have you malformed hands? It's the natural way to grab my phone from my pocket, and a lot less hassle than reaching into my back pocket and extracting a card. I can't comment knowledgeably on gloves as I never wear them, but

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Bob

[snip comments on signage indicating convoluted routes] The way signage on LU stations is layed out is chosen quite carefully and deliberately. The signs often direct passengers via not the most direct route, and this is done to enab

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Bob

Because buying something by credit card is a loan, credit card transactions are covered by the Consumer Credit Act, which gives the borrower (ie a person buying something by credit card) significant protections which even the most acc

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

I know the DLR is the deepest at Bank, so that provides a clue.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Bob

I don't particularly care for the contortion of extracting my wallet, identifying the card I want to use (which might be a credit card, Oyster card, or paper card ticket), extracting it from said wallet, and presenting it to the devic

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I find different brands of terminal have the contactless pad in different locations, some at the top, the screen, the bottom, the side… By the way the card payment terminals at almost every supermarket checkout will lift out of their c

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

No PIN is required by the payment terminal, nor will it randomly request one as with contactless card payments. If you choose not to use biometric ID on your phone, or it it fails (grubby fingers, gloves, facemask, grubby lens etc) you

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

From the description of the in-train display as being a single line of dot-matrix text, I think the poster concerned may be remembering the TfL Rail class 360 which immediately preceded the EL class 345 on the same route. Anna Noyd-Dry

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's not remotely like those. The HS2

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Or the buses, and Atlanta is also notable that the fares basket only covers 1/3 of the cost of running the system. The remainder from grants and a 1% extra sales tax in certain white suburbs (whose residents put up with it because with

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm just looking at the national statistics for how people get to airports. In that context "popular" means 'most used' not 'least resented by the pax concerned'. And to avoid going down a popular(sic) rathole, I don't think the stats

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Bob

I'll type it again so you can have another chance to read it and comprehend. The phone requires either a PIN or a biometric authetication Authentication is required. Methods of authentication other than a PIN are available. Therefor

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Because many claims for chargebacks after a fraudulent transaction only happen after the cardholder has received his monthly bill, and then checked it. Even the most account-holder-hostile banks give the consumer 90 days.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

If it's pouring with rain, or cold and I have gloves on, I'm not particularly interested in ensuring I do that that contortion every single time.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Travel costs the supplier nothing for one extra passenger, so they have a risk assessment which says "we'd rather encourage 99 yuppies by enabling their phone-pay, rather than die in the ditch over preventing 1 scammer". Only they are

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <bdq9bhts5ci7vrf8hbkl2akg73kbr3eq60@4ax.com>, at 23:32:57 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: That's right, and as I mentioned to MarkG the other day, that's not a setup which transfe

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Which makes it sound like a series of walk-up fares, not anything which could be amalgamated (aka daily capped) into a traditional PAYG scheme. Yes, the transaction can be instant, but *doesn't* come with sufficient information to cha

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Ken

I hadn't heard of it but I can see its value in some situations. My phone has the fingerprint reader on the back so picking up the phone with your finger on the reader is second nature.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Ken

Sorry to take away one of your sources of amusement, but my fingerprint is more secure than a four-digit number.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And some card transactions (especially for TfL fares, but another is car park charges) have zero or virtually zero cost-of-sales, so it's not useful for vendors to pursue trivial sums from difficult-to-trace cardholders. Not even "to d

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Ken

Thank you for this list: I'll bear it in mind next time. I really must visit what's left of the Cromford and High Peak. It's a very interesting area as is shown by Don Coffey's cab view video of a freight train running from Hindlow to C

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That directly contradicts other assertions that "no PIN is required".

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But it's also related to demographics of people who have a relevant finger[print] but a zero or negative credit rating. Back in the day the best (ie least) credit risk for a Carphone (bought from an eponymous warehouse or otherwise) wa

Re: [OT} Bavaria train crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Bob

Scotland, being awkwardly different since 1707. I appear to have missed a "not" in my prior statement, and generally phrased it poorly. The purpose of a coronor's inquest is to establish what happened rather than to establish who di

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Chris J Dixon

There was a time when my Chief Engineer and Engineering Manager, whilst both excellent engineers, had no real management skills. This was such a shame, as their real talents were wasted, and their ineptitude diminished the work of those

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <3i59bh9qtotmi98tt1sdgceroa2kk9c1a4@4ax.com>, at 17:40:50 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: I've only ever seen that latter in some hospitality venues there the terminal is a portab

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <g369bh11qcgot89kka095serstqr8sof04@4ax.com>, at 17:48:09 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Why then do they issue 5-10 photocards to London residents who are children?

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Where did you source your map? It reminded me a lot of the very long subsurface passages at both Green Park and Kings Cross (below and beyond the Northern Ticket Hall).

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sure, my son is insured as a named driver on my car. At no point have I told the insurer where he lives.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <noe9bhl2fm30h1rmup38lddb4s988888kv@4ax.com>, at 20:24:38 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked: Which leaves us with the mystery of why people are quite so agitated about the whole thi

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But that was covered by the "dangerous load" charge. Whether the bricks exceeded that car's permitted roof loading might require weighing the bricks (as we've discovered it's about a third of what some online bystanders estimated) and

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <hee9bhlphr6in2648l2atf5jiquf4mfq9b@4ax.com>, at 20:10:33 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked: And as it seems trendy today to accuse people of ignoring things, there's also the added

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No, I'm not ignoring that. It is one of many possibilities.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

You've twice admitted to being confused yourself about things the last day or two. There seems to be some special fog surrounding the EL. .... That's right, it's the exit to the Barbican from the Farringdon EL Station. In the past y

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

:-)

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, I know, but there's something about the EL which seems to breed confusion. Take the differences of opinion about the double-lifts at Farringdon, and in-train displays from Heathrow to Paddington. "How long ago was this", well sure

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What a good idea. Normally when people ask about "how deep is a tube station" they are unable to verbalise whether mean below street level (eg Hampstead, -58m) or below sea level (eg Waterloo Jubilee, -26m). I'd perhaps prefer a way o

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

Is there any mechanism for you to hear more, assuming you haven’t registered that card with TfL?

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Nobody

I guess as we're all rail lovers on this group, we're fans of the Bee Gees.. and "How Deep Is Your Love"?

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The cut and cover work was mainly under highway which remains with the highway owners. Tunnels don't inevitably involve obtaining land rather than an easement through the land. The surface buildings OTOH would almost certainly involve acq

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Nobody

'Xactly. When Vancouver-Whistler won the *privilege* (sure...) of holding the 2010 Winter Olympics, the IOC naturally wanted infrastructure improvements. (The City of Vancouver eventually had to bail out a very-troubled Olympic Village

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

It was land they'd have had to acquire to construct the huge cut and cover tunnel. Effectively, the modest surface infrastructure would have been above the platform ends.

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Not if they didn't want to put a fully convenient access at the east end. They would however have needed to obtain land from somebody if they didn't own the land at ground level above the railway.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

Incidentally, this seems effectively similar to Liz Heathrow fares. Single fares include a premium of £6 (peak) or £7.30 (off-peak) for Heathrow access, but this gets gets lost in daily capped fares (and, I assume, season tickets). So,

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

With my Android phone it is the individual banking apps which have to be set up with one or other form of ID.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

I managed to start a journey by pulling the wrong card wallet out of my pocket and touching in with an expired credit card. I later received a bank statement showing the card transaction along with an equal cancellation entry and never he

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Nobody

Apologies... reeed and inwardly digest, after having some lunch to thwart hunger pains.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Most of the major insurers seem to be in the business of some form of 24hr cover for other matters such as home insurance etc. so it is likely to be a case of just looking up a different database.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: John Levine

Um, you're agreeing with me. Pay per trip gets the $5 surcharge. Daily or monthly passes do not get the surcharge.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

It isn't false but using it for a false claim that insurance is in force when the driver _knows_ the insurance has been invalidated can be a false representation.

Re: Hardline union bosses accused of sending progress into buffers (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

It turns out that coaches weren't the only alternative transport options: From <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/top-gun-tenor-flies-rescue-illness-threatens-glyndebourne-show/> When the tenor for the role of Marc in Ethel Sm

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 15 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Toronto used to have an airport express bus (don’t remember its name) which toured the major city centre hotels and connected to minibuses which went to more outlying hotels and hostels. I used it a couple of times in about 1997. Sam

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 15 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's not just in education. In almost every field, people who are really good at something don't necessarily turn out to be good at managing teams of other people of more variable ability doing the same job. And they're even less likely t

Re: Trains disrupted after lorry crashes onto tracks in East Lothian (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 15 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Just about here, I think <https://goo.gl/maps/FLMh8uVYeGkMzaYZA>. It’s slightly interesting in that the ECML goes under the roundabout without being visible from the road - slightly odd! Sam

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 15 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Exactly the same used to happen in Universities, where a Professor, distinguished by being a good researcher, was also required to be head of department, requiring good administrative and political skills. There were some disasters and t

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 15 Hours ago by: Recliner

Surely the overloaded, damaged state of the car was enough for the police to be sure that any insurance would have been invalidated?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 15 Hours ago by: Recliner

Ah, I misrembered. Which modern trains (not LU) do make such announcements? In particular, do any Aventras?

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 16 Hours ago by: Nobody

Absolutely not so... as a local resident, I've used monthly passes since the introduction of Compass without any surcharge on relatively frequent (pleasure) travel away from YVR. Here's a quote from the Translink site: "YVR Airport AddF

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 16 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Most retailers in Sweden really don't want cash, AIUI. I actually spoke not too long ago with somebody there about that, and he told me that he has not carried cash in a while.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 16 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Something similar in Chicago, AIUI. IIRC, the problem with the AirTrain at Howard Beach-JFK Airport is that it requires a separate fare of $8 to the airport. The same applies for journeys originating and terminating at Jamaica. Passen

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

Ker-ching :-) Mark

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

Yes, of course. Do you really believe that the insurers *don't* have people working at weekends and bank holidays? This isn't the customer call centre we're talking about here. Vehicle insurance has legal significance. As a matter of rou

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

The mystery is simply that the publicly accessible MID, a couple of days after the incident, showed that the vehicle was insured, and yet the police have stated that the driver was driving without insurance. But there are at least a co

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

Which means that it wasn't an edge case, it was a straightforward "no". Either there was no insurance at all at the time the car was stopped, or the insurance didn't cover the driver who was driving at the time. Both of those would be si

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Can always tell when you are out of your depth, you start trotting out the insults, or at least what you think are insults.

Re: How deep is the Tube (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Neat

Re: [OT} Bavaria train crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Northern Ireland, England and Wales. Scotland has Fatal Accident Inquiries. It isn't; it is a judicial process. Coroners have not been allowed to attribute criminality to parties for many years; like e.g. the Railway Inspectorate they ca

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

How long ago was this? Did the inside of the train, perhaps, look like this? <https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heathrow_Connect_interior_August_2013.jpg> Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Lew 1

https://www.compass-travel.co.uk/express/

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Unless you have turned on the Travel Express mode which doesn’t require an ID - but that will only work with authorised travel vendors (LU being one). And again, you have to choose to enable that. Lew

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Yes, the same process again. Except the 10p comes out straight away… I know this because my banking app ‘pings’ to tell me I’ve spent 10p, usually before I’ve even found a seat. What I have wondered is whether it’s because

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: John Levine

All forms of pay per trip has to pay the $5, daily or monthly passes do not. A while ago I bought a ticket book at the 7-11 on the lower level of the airport, dunno if that still works.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Thameslink doesn’t announce what sides the doors will open on, only that they will open automatically. Lew

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

This reminds me of an amusing set of charging at Gibraltar. A Spaniard was caught trying to fly out of the airport with drugs attached to his person. Note that the airport is just yards inside the border. He was done for both illegally im

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: MB

I can't see why some common sense cannot be used with 2-step verification. It seems a waste of time if you are paying for something like a subscription that can be immediately cancelled if the payment 'bounces'. Same for goods that ar

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

I'd have thought so. Thameslink must have many equivalent stations, where the train can use different tracks and platforms in a station (eg, Blackfriars). Even the Victoria line does at its termini.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

They can’t splash more cash than is in the account. Controlling that is ultimately a parent’s responsibility.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: MB

I wonder if it can mean an extra charge? Driving uninsured and also producing a false document?

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Germany has changed. On a business trip to Munich I experimented how far I could get without cash. Everywhere, including the taxi driver, accepted my credit card, except for a small bakery come coffee shop. Netherlands is the only place w

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Is their system intelligent enough to cope with the odd stations where the platform can be on either side {e.g. Wembley Park and Harrow) ?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

Of course they would, but that event was weeks ago. They probably just didn't see it as a high priority, particularly in the absence of through running. The Farringdon interchange will become much busier after that.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Nobody

In Vancouver (strictly speaking Richmond), the contactless (or cash) fare departing YVR dings a passenger with a $5 surcharge. It's not clear whether locals with a loaded (deduction by trip) Compass card are similarly hit, as I routinel

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

The Met wouldn't have needed any land from the LNWR just to put a small surface building (or simply a staircase down to an underground booking office) at the east end of the platforms.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

If you kept watching it, it would have cycled through all of its displays — I've seen them on that route. It's a high res flat screen, not a simple dot-matrix LED. <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72177720300029095>

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Do you honestly thing the database doesn’t include the address of the insured?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

You are, as usual, conflating two things. I simply pointed out that holding an insurance certificate is proof of nothing. Sure, it’s indicative that you might have purchased insurance, and for the first month of its validity is very lik

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

With the delays, other operators might have been waiting until XR was definitely working?

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Or the LNWR were unwilling to flog required land to a competitor?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Clive Page

This was on a train from Heathrow to Paddington. The carriage that I was in had on the ceiling a simple dot-matrix display which just showed the name of the next stop, nothing more.

Re: Rail unions threaten to continue striking until Christmas (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The difficulty being the "c" word. That is at least two (in some form) certified competencies required. Not a single contractor? Not a single contractor? What does the reduced team do now when it has been split up, possibly now with no

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

I'm pretty sure getting rid of the kids would solve a lot of the money concerns, while getting rid of the money wouldn't solve the kid problems. See also: the pandemic showing that railways really do run better when there are no passen

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

In the past I've heard anecdotally of teachers complaining that being "good at teaching" doesn't provide the skill set needed for managing other teachers (or things like procurement), and have heard of heads struggling with the transit

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tweed

Congestion on the signalling channel perhaps?

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The same as done on e.g. buses and trains for 3, 5 or whatever-year olds for decades - a quick visual assessment via the Mk.1 eyeball. If in doubt ask for age and date of birth which tends to screen out a fair proportion of "offenders".

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

There could be a different reason for the ratio changing. The card readers have been changing during the last couple of years (old ones - tap card on screen; new ones tap card on top of reader above the screen) and the new ones seem to be

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Bob

The crossrail platforms have two exits: to St Giles Circus, and to Dean St. The only access to the Central and Northern line platforms is via the St Giles (eastern) end, to get to the passage, you exit the EL platforms into the centra

Re: Plug doors (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

All LU stock, DLR, HST new doors. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Plug doors (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Manufacturer preference, presumably. I guess they have their reasons (increasing internal space, perhaps?). Hitachi were criticised for *not* using plug doors, so I guess you can't win either way. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Bob

Google's website implies it's per-payment, but also has an asterisk that the security requirements vary by country, depending on local laws. Presumably un-authenticated transactions are handled in the same way as un-authenticated cont

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: John Levine

Yes. US law limits customer liability to $50 but in practice banks make it zero. It's all baked into their fraud model. If you use a card in a way that is very different from your usual pattern, it's likely to be declined, e.g., you no

Re: Plug doors (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Kawasaki, for Metro-North/LIRR's M-series trains?

How deep is the Tube

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Londonist have posted an interesting article <https://londonist.com/london/transport/how-deep-is-your-commute-these-diagrams-show-the-depth-of-each-station> about a set of diagrams showing the height of every LU platform, including sea leve

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Unless they're insured by a small, obscure insurer, yes. The major ones have 24/7 call centres. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

Never mind grandad. Go watch Cash In the Attic.

Re: Plug doors (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

Siemens.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: John Levine

In Atlanta there is definitely a presumption that white people don't use the subway. I did and lived to tell the tale. It was fast and cheap.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: John Levine

In Toronto you can take the 2tph UP Express on the upper level for C$12.35 which takes you to the downtown union station in 25 mins, or on the lower level for $3.25 you can take the 6bph 900 express bus (formerly the 192 Rocket) which con

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

What are you wittering about now? Dropping what mic?

Trains disrupted after lorry crashes onto tracks in East Lothian

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-61908969>

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Why, are you so desperate to have a drop-the-mic moment? You've proven you can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag so I'm not interested in your hopeless attempt to add gravitas to your argument.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Getting a bit circular, isn't it? Plod has roadside access (and training in interpreting what it says) to insurer's databases, as well as MID?

Re: Plug doors (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

Other than Hitachi, which other train manufacturers don't use plug doors in modern trains?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Sure, but once its unlocked its fair game.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

No Read what I said.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

In Farringdon, yes, apart from the northbound TL platform, which has a direct escalator connection. And also in TCR, between the Central Line and EL. In both cases, there are other low level routes.

Plug doors

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Just curious if anyone knows why the Elizabeth Line trains have gone with plug doors when they seem to have gone out of fashion on more modern rolling stocks (and even some buses)? Isn't it a more complex mechanism and hence greater chance

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: nib

Not optional it claims. If you don't set security to a high-enough level it won't let you use Google Pay. nib

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Yes, we know you're getting on a bit :) Poor old thing, out of arguments, bit of arthritis, sad....

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

Only your muddle. We've regularly said that it connected to the westbound platform at Barbican. I've also posted copious pictures of it: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72177720299439052> Both E and F are inclined lift

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

At that moment, yes. You can't pay with your phone unless it's positively ID'd you. Usually this will be biometrically (fingerprint or Face ID depending on device) but if that fails it will ask for your phone-unlock passcode. The ways

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Yup, see Fingerprint ID and Face ID.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Bob

WIkipedia states, with regard to Google Pay: "To pay at points of sale, users hold their authenticated Android device to the point-of-sale system's NFC reader. Android users authenticate unlocking their phone by using biometrics, a pa

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Oh dear, you really ought to check out the quote in question.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Bob

That'll be another security-related reason to add to the list of reasons I don't want an Android phone, then. Robin

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

One inclined lift to the street, and another to the Circle Line? Or which exit does your "which" refer to?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

That's what computer databases are for.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Was it Healy who said that? Ah well, poor old Greem, run out of arguments as usual, defer to some quote. How predictable.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I think in Martin's case it is a matter of seeing very few vehicles at all, at least compared to the wilds of London.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Bob

The phone requires either a PIN or a biometric authetication before it will present the payment details to the reader, and that authentication is only valid for a short time and a single transaction. To make a new payment, a new authe

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Apple might require biometrics to use contactless payment I don't know, but with android it was optional last time I looked.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Good job I'd put my coffee down :-)

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

You're the only one who's (still) confused.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Oh, you should, you really should :-)

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

So the phone knows who's carrying it does it?

London’s_Retired_Tube_Trains_Live_on_an_Island

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

I've done some more searching for images, and have an found an official photo of two Lift Cs at LE platform level: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/crossrailpress/51321800524/in/album-72157697979244605/> So, yes, you were right, there ar

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sorry, are you saying the "via ticket hall" route is the signposted one?

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not at all, see my other posting just now.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Just the general muddle surrounding this particular topic. For some reason I had gained the impression it surfaced on the northbound TL platform at Farringdon. Like I said, I was waiting to do a road trip. That's the most useful one -

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Nothing to do with demographics. 100% related to the fact that your phone confirms your ID (usually biometric). Therefore never a need to enter your pin at the terminal to confirm your contactless payment. Apple Watch allows you to pay

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <j8l8bh95t2q3usijhvqva8clbmkjr3gdnr@4ax.com>, at 12:59:21 on Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: On a Bank Holiday weekend?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Its brave of them to issue a press release based on that, without actually link the three, which would have only taken three or four additional words.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Similar to what the JFK Express did.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

There's all kinds of reasons for that, to do with the demographics of the users, who carries the risk of fraud, and so on. And of course you sign into the phone first which adds a layer of security, and maybe notice sooner if it's lost

Re: [OT} Bavaria train crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Bob

Indeed, hence my point about the legal systems operating differently. In the UK an accidental or unusual death will involve a coronor's inquest which, while similar to a legal proceeding, is directly a criminal matter, and unless evid

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Bob

I'm not aware of a pay-by-phone method that doesn't use either biometric or PIN based authentication. Robin

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

These are the messages that the displays cycle through. You seem to have only seen one of them: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72177720300029095> Arguably, the selection is poor. We really don't need the fatuous 'See it.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Paying by phone absolutely, 100% does involve an ID check. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Certes

Was Graeme just savaged by a dead sheep?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

It does amuse me how people think their payment method not requiring some kind of identity confirmation is a good thing. I wonder if people in the past thought "Cheques are great, but wouldn't they be so much better if we didn't have to b

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Well thats nice, whatever it is. But I don't give enough of a toss to google it.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: Certes

Ah, so you have. Much better than the blurry image I found! Thanks.

Re: [OT} Bavaria train crash (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: Rolf Mantel

In Germany, the 'criminal investigation' is a necessary part of any accidential death. As the RAIB (in German: EBA) investigation has no legal standing, teh police must investigate completely independently (probably there is data shar

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: Recliner

As other posts have suggested, the police might have simply decided that the obviously unsafe load and consequent damage to the vehicle would have invalidated any insurance policies that might have been in force. No need to check any doc

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: Recliner

I think only Oyster cards provide an immediate confirmation. Contactless credit cards are not written to when touching in, so the gripper's device has to query the back office system. Doing so means that if the card turns out not to have

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days ago by: Recliner

That's one of areas where Citymapper scores.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days ago by: Recliner

I know someone who's a canny Glaswegian, who makes frequent leisure trips to London. He's a habitual HEx user, partly because it's so cheap (£5.50). HAL will probably have to make more such fares available to survive.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

They don't need to. They'll just follow the signs like the rest of the normal passengers. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: Charles Ellson

The manner of use is extremely unlikely to be covered by insurance, the Elephant Test applies. The test then being proved by contacting the insurers.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Charles Ellson

There are plenty of police vehicles around, they just aren't all marked. In the Met, in addition to normal unmarked cars any forfeited vehicle at e.g. the car pound at Charlton has half a chance of turning up later in police use, includin

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

It's at the clearly labelled Barbican EL station exit.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

Yes, for sure.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

All the trains are identical. Are you perhaps referring to the displays on the *outside* of the train, rather than the inside? Or, perhaps you're referring to the one set of class 315 units still operated on Elizabeth Line services fr

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Six items of railway interest in the immediate vicinity. Peak Rail at Matlock Crich Tramway a short bus ride from Ambergate station (or a steep walk from Whatstandwell!) Steeple Grange railway, 18" gauge using battery locos, on the outs

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Oslo-Gardemoen Flytoget makes the same promise <https://flytoget.no/en/travel-information/travel-guarantee/> Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

You don't get that problem with Apple/Google Pay ;) Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

Why on earth would you think the 'secret' lift at Barbican would go to a Thameslink platform, when TL ceased to have Barbican platforms 13 years ago? Yes, I've already shown these images of it: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Charles Ellson

The standard method seen on the television often seems to be the PC on the spot telephoning the insurance company for confirmation, occasionally resulting in the driver being informed insurance was invalidated when the cheque bounced.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

It goes directly from the Elizabeth line platform level to the Farringdon surface level, with an intermediate stop at the Thameslink southbound platform. Yet again, you're confused by double-ended stations. There are no Thameslink platfo

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

None of them. We're discussing the Farringdon exit, not the Barbican exit, which has two inclined lifts.

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

No, in this case, it doesn't matter where on the train you were located. If you want to change to either of the LU lines, you will first be directed towards the eastern exit, but then there's a right turn for the Northern Line. You might

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

Yes, it's an easy, direct link from the EL to the Northern Line. But I guess that someone looking for the Central Line connection might not notice the divergence of the signposted routes to the two LU lines, after the initial signs show t

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Not at all. They can begin their enquiries, and set in train an investigation which decides a week, or some such later, what the situation was. Can I remind you again, again, that the roadside case study under discussion here apparent

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Absolutely, and if anyone thinks a casual tourist will have researched all this before setting out from home 10,000 miles away (despite having Internet access), they are misdirecting themselves.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But the bottom end is at *Farringdon* *EL* station (and whether or not via a mezzanine is still not sufficiently clear).

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

OK, so now what would help is if the various photo-bloogers annotated their output with lift-numbers.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

The logical conclusion to all your objections, Roland, is that there is no point in the police trying to check insurance at the roadside: the overlap of policies and conditions is too complex; the driver might not remember the necessary d

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I have no idea - it was a casual comment while I was paying (by chip and pin after the contactless was declined) and it would have been rude to question her and to delay the following customer. Indeed, but I don’t know anything else.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I’ve had, I think, three quite recently, one of which occasioned the comment from the till operator. I hadn’t noticed an uptick since the £100 limit came in, but of course I use contactless much more frequently now. Sam

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I see police cars regularly, but then my bus route into town passes the hospital and the police station!

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Not noticed any increase in rate personally, though as it is supposed to be random that may change.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: MB

At least if you have a printout with all the reference numbers on it so he has something to check then if there is nothing suspicious about you then he might send you on your way. Police officers used to be able to get a good idea whet

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That was covered in other aspects of the press release, here we are talking about whether the insurance was valid.

Drax

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Remember the promise to keep Drax supplied with fuel? How did that work out... Loads of trains on Monday, from Liverpool, Immingham, Hull, Tyne, Milford etc. Tuesday, down to seven from Liverpool and one from Immingham. Wednesday, none

Re: [OT} Bavaria train crash (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Bob

In the UK railway accidents are investigated by the RAIB (Railway Accident Investigation Branch), which is not part fo the criminal or police system, but an independent body, whose primary objective is to find out what actually happen

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm not sure what "originals" are in this online age. Maybe a PDF on a memory stick. Would plod be able to read that?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Which is yet another dataset that this super-special MID-query engine has to embrace. And what if he has no proof of address on him, does everyone just take his word for it?

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

If you do two trips the same day, does the second one also involve the driver finding your stated destination and the fare? The 10p thing could also be an artefact of the bus not being fully-online, and simply doing a check to see if t

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Lew 1

I’m not sure it’s as simple as that, because it only takes 10p from the card… then changes to the full amount a day or two later. Lew

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Ken

Probably not, as I haven't heard of it. I first noticed the speed of the phone v ccc in pubs and coffee takeways. Very fast indeed, and you never need to enter a PIN.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's because it's not post-pay back office PAYG, but pre-pay using the card simply as a payment method.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Ken

I did, apologies. As it was I didn't get to make the Matlock line as the unit failed at Derby, so I went by train to Macclesfield then caught a very scenic bus to Buxton.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Lew 1

I certainly agree that the lifts are by far the best way to transfer from TL Southbound to EL. I guess it’s not signposted because if everyone tried to do that you’d end up with a nightmare. It’ll become one of those ‘insider kn

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe, Google Maps is currently saying Malvern to Buxton is 6hrs 51 mins using five buses and two trains (which are probably on strike today).

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Clive Page

I'm glad that some trains have that, but clearly not all of them do. I've only taken two EL trains but neither had a display anything like that - just a plain dot-matrix display showing the name of the next station stop.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Clive Page

I certainly had not realised that the lift(s) on the Southbound TL platform would take us directly the EL platforms - would have used them if I had known and I didn't see any signposting to that effect. As it was there is indeed a what

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Eh? We’re not talking about the secret lift at all - we are talking about the lifts at *Farringdon* LU/TL station. ‘Lift C’ connects Farringdon ticket hall with TL Southbound and EL platforms. (But is actually two lifts side by si

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Certes

Lift G, according to the notice inside <https://anonw.com/2022/06/10/the-barbican-entrance-to-the-elizabeth-line-10th-june-2022/dscn0131-23/>

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sounds very plausible. I've just tested my work phone to personal phone, different networks [EE and O2], and it was a little under 3 seconds. Ditto sending an SMS from my Laptop to my personal phone (adding a third network into the mix

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Certes

If you meant Matlock, it's a scenic trip with plenty of good walking if you have time and even a preserved railway.

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I don't know if it matters, but which end of the train did you get off? Victoria Line at Kings Cross has long had different signage depending on how far you are along the platform, to get to the outside world.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Now I'm seeing even more contradictory information. Is lift "C" the secret one, or not. If it is, it reaches the surface by just one door in a small and somewhat neglected lobby off the Thameslink platform.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Is that 1:10 customers, or one in ten transactions by any specific customer. If the latter, how did she do the research? In any event, as the £100 limit co-incides with Covid and society being encouraged to go contactless, the great n

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And if our friend with the pile of bricks on his roof was driving with a cancelled insurance policy, why was it seen on MID a couple of days later. How quickly we forget *that* is the question which remains unanswered.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Modulo techies claiming they are easily forgeable by the man in the street, the PDF tobe printed out which the insurer sent you seconds after pressing "buy now".

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

A till operator at Sainsbury’s speculated to me that the rate of PIN-required transactions has gone up since the £100 limit came in - she thought it was now about 1 in 5 rather the previous 1 in 10 or 1 in 20. Sam

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

They were planning it when I was there 20 years ago! Sam

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Is that using an Express Travel Card mode (or whatever the android equivalent is)? using my iPhone with Apple Pay has become lightning fast on the tube with that enabled. My local bus company also use it (though the benefit is cancelled

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I recommend the advice of Denis Healy

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Ken

I've found that using my phone (OnePlus Android woth Google Pay) is noticeably faster than a physical contactless card at retailers. And at a TfL gateline it's almost instant.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Muttley

If you're kids are off to find the local drug dealer then you're an irresponsible parent so all bets are off anyway. As for porn - good luck finding any thats not online now particulalrly for pocket money prices.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Bob

The ticket checkers have a device that you tap the card/phone to, and it verifies it has been used to tap in. Happens regularly on the DLR, which is (mostly) ungated. Robin

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Bob

The first journey I made on EL involved changing at TCR to Northern. I followed the signs that I saw an made the connection without going up to ticket hall level and encountered no gate lines. Robin

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Ken

Just completed my regular all-lines rover. Google Maps, showing you how to get from A to B by any mode or combination of modes, is a real game changer. For example I wanted to use the Malvern and Buxton lines. To get from Malvern to Buxto

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Ken

I found this a very acceptable way to get to/from the airport. Far better than the old Howard Beach/bus that was in place before. That really flummoxed me back in the 80s when trying to get a train from, I think, 42nd St. It was counteri

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Lew 1

In effect , lift C is doubled up - I guess that isn’t specified on the lift map because, well, what difference would it make to anyone? Incidentally, there’s nothing new about these - lift(s) C have been open for years (since Farring

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Why not? Its safer than letting them use cash which they can use to buy porn or drugs without you knowing anything about it.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Muttley

Being a smartarse doesn't somehow negate your moronic comment about "joining the real world". Which part of the real world? 11 year olds can be pretty irresponsible and allowing them to splash cash with a card is not clever.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What Google Maps doesn't do is correlate its public transport options with the fare you might expect to pay (which is also complicated by time of day etc). And as a pure mapping/timetabling tool it also doesn't give any indication of

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Of course the intersection of passengers who can afford International travel, and are prepared to ever set foot on the MARTA is effectively a null set. I used to (because I had previously been familiar with the MARTA when it was only

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not true, contactless transactions at retailers require an almost tedious number of interspersed PIN-supplied purchases to refresh their risk assessment that it's still *you* who has the card.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

If your card is lost or stolen, does the bank have a no-quibble refund policy for subsequent contactless transactions?

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Rip-off is subjective when compared to local taxi fares (often the most popular means by which travellers get from the airport to their ultimate destination). But anyway, how about Oslo? There's also one for Seoul, although apparentl

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not necessarily, I've been to conferences at big hotels only a couple of blocks away. And of course the passengers' next leg might be GWML westbound (Oxford, Bristol etc). But even if their next leg *is* deeper into Zone 1, there's ple

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I've given up trying to follow the earlier threads about the "secret lift", because there was so much contradictory information. Awaiting a road trip, which has now been scuppered because of the rail strikes. Does this now confirm the

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Also, thankfully for those of us with an addiction to Japanese railways and tramways, Google translate can do Japanese (and Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean etc). Though you often need an open mind to interpret the results, the language used ca

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 11 Hours ago by: D A Stocks

"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t908os$3ib$2@dont-email.me... Dunno. The bottom two pictures here are what is on the TL southbound platform: http://www.ilpb.co.uk/Case-Study-Farringdon-Station.aspx

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

How is it represented in the station lift map? <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/52154966938/in/album-72177720299244348/>

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

There is also a Romaji keyboard setting, which will also convert your text into either Kanji, Hiragana or Katakana, though that seems to be discouraged.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

A basic word processor program is more than adept at Kanji these days. There are hiragana and katakana keyboard settings, the former of which will easily create a kanji symbol. iPhones also have a kana keyboard for text messaging. It's

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: D A Stocks

"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t905ap$4vs$2@dont-email.me... I think it's one lift on the TL northbound platform. There are clearly two lifts on TL southbound platform - I haven't used them yet but they are

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

Sorry, I meant TL southbound.

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

How would that work? There's no indication of any such thing in the lift itself, which I've used. It's a straightforward vertical lift with three levels (surface, TL northbound platform, EL platforms).

Re: Elizabeth Line: surprisingly poor design throughout (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Lew 1

I guess so. Lew

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

The latter is probably because of kanji. It's a difficult language to type, and many older people couldn't, so Japan preferred fax to telex when these comms technologies arrived. It also preferred high res dot matrix printers, rather than

Re: Thoughts on the EL double-ended stations (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Clank

Plenty of double-ended stations on the Bucharest metro, indeed I'd go so far as to say it's probably the most common configuration. Exits are typically signposted for the street they exit onto (or if both are on the same street, for the

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Something similar here in UK, IIRC.

Re: fun with plastic, not Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 15 Hours ago by: John Levine

Nope. We have had PINs for our ATM and debit cards as long as you have. People who should know have told me that the networks for US credit cards were installed a long time ago and not upgraded much. Chip+PIN takes two round trips while

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 15 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

FWIW, Japan is still very much a cash-based society. Indeed, they still use faxes.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Arthur Conan Doyle

Indeed. Even when US issuers were forced to start using chipped cards, they insisted their customers continue to use signature instead of PIN as the rest of the world did. Apparently they were concerned that as Americans apparently carry

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

It was Dulles I was thinking of.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

They were still building it when I was there last, juat realised that's nearly 10 years ago!

Re: Goat herders stranded in Washington DC: all ticket offices to (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

It was 2013, longer than I thought!

Re: Goat herders stranded in Washington DC: all ticket offices to close (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: John Levine

Must have been a while ago. Now they have a stored value card called Smartrip, buy one, load value onto it, use it, not unilke an Oyster. It works on all the local and regional transit around DC and Baltimore. We old folks can get a di

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: John Levine

The station at National airport, the small airport near the city, opened in 1977. The station at Dulles airport, the long-haul airport out in the country with the dramatic, beautiful, and nonfunctinal terminal building, was finished seve

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Tweed

Just as an experiment I’ve timed the interval to establish a ring on my wife’s phone, same cell and same network as my phone. It takes 4 seconds.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

And it provided you with that answer (best public transport option for the journey). But, for example, if you ask it for a public transport journey from Abersoch to Manchester, it won't send you to Pwllheli station, despite that being t

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I think the big problem now is that it leaves you still well outside the city centre, requiring onward travel; and if that onward travel is by public transport, the very same mode is available right there at the airport. I think even habi

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Your experience of Airport Express trains clearly differs from mine. My first experience of such was in 2007 (I was somewhat of a latecomer to international travel though have made up for that since) in Vienna. Being inexperienced at su

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Yes.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

AirTrain's structure is budgeted to bear the weight of a New York City Subway Train, I guess B2/1 division, and I believe that this is an option for sometime in the future. The Airtrain's track and loading gauge are similar to What do

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The phone I was calling was at someone's house, and had been there at least 12hrs. I find it very difficult to believe it hadn't pinged the local cellsite in all that time. QED.

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Not come across a debit card you can view porn, or anything else on. In case you've never seen one, it is a rectangular bit of plastic with an embedded processor chip. No audio or video facilities.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Is the DC one open now?

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No, but I can't see many foreign visitors being clued-up enough to pick the latter, lacking as it does the appropriate branding. Oh dear, has Recliner's Internet research skills (which apparently all travellers are bound to have) fa

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Agree with you there.

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe they need to spend more money advertising via in-flight magazines, but if the agents you prejudicially characterise as "touts" are making sufficient sales, they perhaps TfL should deploy their own to try to persuade the jetlagged

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: John Levine

Mastercard says that US issued cards will stop having stripes in 2027 and they'll all be gone by 2029. I expect that in practice it will be sooner, due to the fraud issue. It is trivial to clone a magstripe, difficult to impossible to clo

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They won't on their main account, because of the domestic risks. So maybe another use-case for prepaid contactless debit cards.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I thought they were going to do one at DFW, but I don't follow its progress much. I had to do a transfer between Newark and JFK, and while reasonably familiar with the foibles of USA railways, like your recent trip to UK "I had a pla

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: John Levine

I took it. It was an ordinary train with an attendant or two. The bus from Howard Beach to the terminals was slow but free. Meh. East Side Access is supposed to start running trains between Grand Central Terminal and Jamaica in Decemb

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Ah dinnae ken, like. Sam

Re: Where to put my railcard on my Oyter card at Heathrow? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Considering that they were way behind in converting mobile telephony to GSM, well after Europe got it, instead of sticking with CDMA; considering that New York City Transit has only in the last two years introduced a smartcard and allo

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tweed

Policy is marked as cancelled. Provable at the roadside. Cancelled due to monthly instalment payment not being made. Very common.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tweed

If John Smith can’t remember his vehicle registration he ought to know his insured address.

Re: other airports, was airport Liz tix (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Don't forget the JFK Express; It ran from midtown-Manhattan to Howard Beach-JFK Airport, bypassing many stations. It was also a premium service at $5 -- 400% more expensive than the standard fare of $1 at that time. The problem was th

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

The situation that the car is clearly damaged by its roof load is so clear-cut that a "value-judgement" is no challenge. I would expect that any window splintered so much that it is impossible to see through is clearly a "not roadworth

Re: airport Liz tix, was Where to put my railcard (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

The East Side Connnection, which will see LIRR trains run to Grand Central Terminal, is also due to open later this year. This will also facilitate getting to JFK from Manhattan's East Side.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: MB

I always carry a copy of my documents (not the originals), it might not be proof but could save time if all the details look correct.

Re: Goat herders stranded: all ticket offices to close (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: MB

That would fit with them being able to use remote offices, with all the talk of railway stations only selling one ticket an hour, don't they use similar systems? Would seem ideal for them or is it now allowed by the union?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Indeed. And I’ve just had a situation where it turned out to be free to add someone for the remaining period but there would have been a charge to add them temporarily. I didn’t get an explanation for why. Sam

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Whenever possible I do tend to pay for things in advance - probably a hold-over from childhood memories of my family’s disdain for paying on the never-never. The telephone receptionist who did the insurance changes seemed very sure tha

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Recliner

Surely that's true of most private cars? They're usually only insured for named drivers. And, typically, not for hire and reward.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, agreed. I suppose you could argue that it's a replacement for the old LU Shoreditch station, but it's on a completely different site on a new formation, so it passes the test.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Chris J Dixon

As I have posted before, back in the 70s, I was involved in regular night time testing of the Brush/ GEC class 314 prototype (converted from a 2-car PEP) on LTS. There was no rule about alcohol, and other H&S matters were treated much m

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Certes

Me too. I also failed to cancel the insurance after selling my car, as the refund would have been less than the transaction fee. That seems to be where the middlemen make a lot of their money.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Bob

Looking a bit more closely, between where the line diverges from the old route of the ELL and joins the route out of Broad St on the Kingsland viaduct, the route appears to be a new formation (there were historically lots of railway c

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Bob

I don't know the precise history of what old infrastructure was reused and what was newly built for it, but the only other candidate I can think of is the Whitechapel to Dalston Junction stretch of the ELL. Robin

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marland

I think deliberately driving a vehicle into a situation that damages it may give an option for the claim to be rejected or reduced considerably Example would be driving an ordinary car into deep flood water or driving along a beach a

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <rnrmahh8vbjbm18rv75dt9fg8bcfhpc4fh@4ax.com>, at 19:09:22 on Thu, 16 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: recently my provider’s coverage map had boundary that ran through my What order of ma

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

Vehicle may be insured for someone else other than the driver caught. Long gone are the days when most cars are insured for any driver.

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Given the current economic situation in general, and the mismanagement of the Crossrail project, almost zero I expect. The only one I'm aware of even being flown as a kite is the Chelsea-Hackney line, and that's been expanded and rebra

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <ivsmahhkgacbm4k4t4r3l54g5mu7vuksl0@4ax.com>, at 19:19:57 on Thu, 16 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Is that level of detail available in a MID check? As it happens, one of my family is curr

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Earlier, someone floated the idea: "It is possible the vehicle is insured, but the person driving it is not." Is that level of detail recorded on the PNC? If not, then even a MID check is predominantly useless at the ro

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

[Insurance certificate] I've had the situation where it was cheaper to add a person for the whole of the remaining period [one transaction fee] rather than just for short time [two transaction fees].

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But not to go public with the information the next day, without checking properly. You can't get a copy of the small-print (eg exclusions) on the certificate "over the phone". But we are missing something else here - if the MID check c

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

Pretty much zero in the next 50 years. The most that might happen, but not any time soon, are the Bakerloo extension (some of which is just taking over some NR track) and Crossrail 2. The former is much more likely than the latter, but b

Re: Barking Riverside (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 13 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

What are the prospects for a completely new line for the London Underground, BTW? I don't mean an extension onto an existing line or the hiving off of one section of another line into a new entity or even reactivating a long-disused p

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: MB

Hasn't that always been the case etc slightly easier to check now? I presume the PNC has a live link, it used to be only updated overnight from tape and quite likely even less frequently that at one time.

Barking Riverside

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: Recliner

The BBC London evening news was on an LO train running into a complete-looking Barking Riverside station. I think the trains have been running for a few weeks, and the public opening is supposed to be a few weeks away (so maybe late July?).

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 16 Hours ago by: Tweed

That was brave of you. The only value I see in the certificate is as some form of transaction receipt that details what they’ve done. I’m under strict instructions by the other half never to pay for motor insurance monthly. She sees t

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 16 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

It can be even more complicated than that. I once had to get someone added to my insurance for a weekend. The insurance company were happy to do that but there was a transaction fee, so adding and then removing someone would incur two f

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tweed

Oh but you can. I’ll grant you, it’s not signed sealed and delivered until settled by a court. Either way the certificate doesn’t help. All that shows, at best is you had insurance on the date it was issued and even that is not assu

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

It was the driver who was reported as having no insurance not the vehicle. The vehicle's insurance could be for a different driver.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

It usually does but IIRC only if the unwanted reflected signal is below a certain level. With e.g. VHF/UHF radios IME anything that provides an equal or near equal strength signal at the same frequency (as can occur if two different sets

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But you can't check that at the roadside on a Sunday, ahead of putting out a press release at Monday lunchtime. At the very least it needs a week for the dust to settle.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Nope. Read what I posted about cover being withdrawn through non payment of monthly instalments.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They are, if you have one about your person that contradicts what MID says.

Re: Stansted Express scenic route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

They lock together to transmit the forces as intended. They'd never touch each other. Since the days of Mk 1 coaches, BR has had retractable buffers which are put in their short position whenever the drop-head buckeye is in use, and

Re: OT: Düsseldorf transport (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: Lew 1

Interesting… the s-Bahn and U-bahn effectively both being tram systems but under different guises. Ah, yes that does interest me. Any tips on finding the routes those vehicles are used on? Yep - looking forward to trying the airpor

Re: Stansted Express scenic route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: Muttley

I wonder how well it works when the track is curved and the vehicles at an angle. No reason they couldn't have buffers too as a backup.

Re: Stansted Express scenic route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The couplers are designed to take the entire loading force, tension and compression. It's a better solution overall than two hooks, a bit of chain and some slippery springy things. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

Certificates are of no use these days. Lots of people pay their car insurance monthly. If for any reason the payment isn’t made the insurance gets cancelled. So you can be clutching a certificate that states you have, say, 8 months left

Re: Stansted Express scenic route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Well they did stop the train. Anyone know what speed it was doing?

Re: Stansted Express scenic route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

I have wondered how the US gets away with only having couplers on their trains and no buffers meaning in a collision or even just during marshalling the couplers have to take all the force which can't be ideal.

Re: Stansted Express scenic route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I suspect that it was being propelled at appropriately low speed (5-10mph) but was, due to the currently-still-unknown-to-us communication problem, still under power at the point of contact and probably for a few seconds afterwards, too.

Re: Stansted Express scenic route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Under the (sacrificial) fibreglass cowling, are ridged anti-climber pads intended to interlock with those fitted to another train and prevent overriding (you can see them on the front of a class 70 locomotive, or on the inner ends of some

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Whatever it was, it seems it didn't take long for them to come to that conclusion. [So perhaps just a negative MID check, rather than getting hold of a certificate and perusing it]. Stopped at the weekend, turned into a press release a

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

Perhaps a test run? I think both were converted/painted at Eastleigh.

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, but we don't get to see those very often in the mainstream media.

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But not next week, it seems. I'm sure there's one inside Network Rail somewhere, but seems a bit ambitious as a trainspotter project.

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No, I hadn't seen that one before. The picture was out and about somewhere, with a complete rake.

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

One (not back-to-back) of the new grey locos pulling blue coaches.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: MB

Do airline staff still get cheap travel? If so then would be surprised is some live in different countreies and commute to their UK base. It has been well reported that some London firemen live in Spain or Portugal and commute from the

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: MB

Though more centralised systems tend to be easier for the unions to control.

Re: No fares please (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If it's gone through official industrial action channels (eg ballot yes for "action short of a strike" then they should be covered. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: No fares please (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Not for Network Rail signallers and maintenance staff who wish to protest against their management. Nor for drivers. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Recliner

Perhaps Roland was confused by this image, taken in Eastleigh: https://www.flickr.com/photos/194497559@N04/51711831314/ Here's a couple of shots of them parked in Munich: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126584084@N05/51633925675 https:/

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

It's presumably a generic 'all-network' map rather than a 'passenger network' map. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Presumably it's about the number of signallers required, rather than traincrew. Looking at that map, at the areas I know well, the lines which are running are controlled throughout by a small number of power-signalboxes (be they pushbut

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Recliner

It might be simply that the driver wasn't insured to drive that particular vehicle.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Certes

Very good. It does seem an unfortunate slogan under the circumstances.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Certes

Though this obviously doesn't apply to the railways, many industries had a much more relaxed attitude to alcohol a few decades ago. It was normal for some colleagues to drift through Friday afternoon after two or three pints in the local

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

I was looking at major main line services, I think Portsmouth itself is controlled from Eastleigh so in theory could still have an indirect service via Southampton. Is there a map showing the coverage areas of the different power boxes

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Blue Pullman liveried power cars in Rail Adventure livery? You've got me very confused now. And you must, surely, be specifically referring to the Blue Pullman ones, because you interjected this reply into the middle of a paragraph abou

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

It's a nominal amount of greenwash trains between a very few warehouses. They won't be running out of cans of baked beans on the shop shelves (or if they do, no-one will notice amongst all the other empty shelves).

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

"Powering tomorrow, but maybe not the day after if there's a rail strike".

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: MB

Perhaps worded badly, I spent periods on 24/7 call usually about every third week though as I wrote I did occasionally have to do several consecutive weeks on call. I don't drink alcohol so missing that did not bother me. You could ta

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Or even anything else serving Portsmouth.

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

That would explain the otherwise rather unlikely Matlock, Ilkley and Skipton (although I don't know the actual arrangements there).

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, although if the driver was disqualified (or for example a learner without plates and supervision) I think the police would have added it to their laundry-list of offences.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: MB

Probably mentioned before, a friend told me how at his work they were messed around by the highly unionised wiremen. The final straw was when they refused to work one day after 1700h to get a job finished. So all the engineers 'coinci

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Each phone manufacturer has a different formula, but they are all logarithmic. 10db is a 10x signal change. A random indicative example: Signal Strength > -95 dBm, level is SIGNAL GREAT, 4 bars Signal Strength > -105 dBm, level

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: MB

I think several supermarkets use rail for moving goods, perhaps debatable whether it is cheaper or just lets them claim to be 'green' but rail could easily lose the supermarket business if they disrupt the supply chain.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

I don't think the wood pellets can be left in the open at all. They're moved in closed wagons: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/49443895648/ and stored in special domes in Drax (which probably have only a few days capacity): ht

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Would explain why the Portsmouth Direct appears to have no service, the line is still in the process of being switched to Basingstoke box which covers the SWML as far as Eastleigh.

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Possibly just traffic lights, then the expectation was that people would automatically obey the lights.

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Theo

I'm not au fait with the current state of signalling, but I wonder if that's why Wales, Scotland and Cornwall are mostly closed. Main lines with more modern centralised signalling are open, whereas perhaps lines with more boxes requiring

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Good point. I don’t think there are any non-ECS passenger moves on the sub these days - I’ll go an have a look on RTT - so it’s probably moot anyway. Sam

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

You’d think so, wouldn’t you. While I’m sure there was some sort of barriering and possibly traffic lights of some kind my memory says that it was only closed in exceptional circumstances. I think the road was at the extreme edge

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Theo

It is possible the vehicle is insured, but the person driving it is not. (for example, if they were disqualified from driving the vehicle might be insured for theft when parked outside their house, but not for them to drive it anywhere)

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Certes

The map is headed "Indicative passenger railway" and says "other lines may be open for freight and engineering services". It may be possible to run ECS along some of the grey lines, especially those which are grey because they don't norm

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Would have to have been.

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Looks like one shouldn’t read too much into lines being open. The ECML is open but the North Berwick branch is closed, which probably means that the local stations on the ECML normally served by trains to NB will be closed as well. N

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Back in the early 60s the road used to cross the runway extension of the only runway at Manchester airport. I don’t remember much more detail, but I don’t think the road was routinely closed for aircraft movements. Sam

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm used to driving past the coal powered station at Ratcliffe, and they had a huge stockpile. Maybe the biomass gets too wet if you leave it out in the rain - although the flatbed trucks which deliver the massive hay bales round he

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

That’s possible; we’re in a typical Edinburgh tenement so the back of the property faces into a quadrangle of 4 storey flats surrounding the shared greens. That does assume that the signal strenght indicator is a simple, possibly ana

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's true, and there's even a NR employee in the signalbox at Littleport who has to get to open and close the wooden level crossing gates once an hour. The other ~50min I don't expect he has much[1] to do (the three or four other cro

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 5 Hours ago by: Ken

It isn't just crews, though, is it? For example there are several signal boxes on the Ely to Peterborough line that would need to be staffed by NR employees.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 5 Hours ago by: Certes

That sounds odd. Drax has had weeks to build up its input stockpile, and surely they have at least a day's supply in reserve, so the lights don't go out if the daily train breaks down.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Certes

I've read reports of people being prosecuted for driving without insurance in addition to other offences such as no MoT, when they'd paid for cover but the insurer used the other irregularities as an excuse to invalidate it.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

From the Telegraph today: Deliveries of food to supermarkets and biomass fuel to the Drax power plant in North Yorkshire will be prioritised. The Government is trying to recruit agency staff to cover for some of the rai

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And yet the police are quoted as saying it's uninsured. Hmm. Or did they impound it, and the owner has insured it to release it?

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Unlikely, most the calls I have/had trouble with tend to take place at 9am on the weekend. That's because it's a "big country"[tm]. Main roads and City Centres, not a lot elsewhere. Of course, many towns are on main roads, so that's

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <g97lahh8dtajvhfc5dck7ff765licel1vd@4ax.com>, at 04:04:51 on Thu, 16 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: "Digital" is supposed to get around that (for both TV and mobile phones). But maybe it's

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <UZKdnaS5T-yZizf_nZ2dnUU7-QHNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 18:25:23 on Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> remarked: You've rather missed the point there. It could be someone's *sole* job, but one or two

Re: Strike service - Network Rail prediction

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Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

ps Interesting the map shows various freight-only lines, including Cranmore north of Castle Cary, Felixstowe docks, and Old Dalby .

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

There's a handful of photos showing a set being pulled by some type of continental engine, so that must be the occasion. I presume it went through the tunnel as part of a freight train. Again there's a few pictures of those in RailAdv

Strike service - Network Rail prediction

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Only 7.30am to 18.30, and not all stations on the lines in question. <https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Map-showing- open-lines-during-strike-days-June-2022.jpg> You might think "He would say that, wouldn't he", bu

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

In this case illegal use of the vehicle in breach of s.40A Road Traffic Act 1988. "... uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when.... the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the mann

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Possibly the same as you can get with television - a strong signal but mangled by multiple reflections.

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 12 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, I remember being driven over that runway.

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 12 Hours ago by: Nobody

Or the situation (as I pointed out to Graeme Wall recently when he asked about steam-rail pax service *from* an airport) in Gisborne, New Zealand where the railway crosses the runway of the local regional airport. Nowadays, that segment

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 15 Hours ago by: ColinR

Yes, the runway at Sumburgh (south end of Shetland) goes from coast to coast so the road does cross the runway - manned gates but no stinger! https://goo.gl/maps/oWzA89w366sSq1nC7

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 15 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Do they not have something like that at Lerwick? I believe that they have similar at Funafuti and Nauru.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 15 Hours ago by: MB

Roof racks normally quote the maximum weight they can carry, it seems likely that is exceeded which probably invalidate the insurance. If he had to brake hard then likely the load on roof rack would come loose so insecure load.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 16 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

That too :-)

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 17 Hours ago by: NY

"Peter Johnson" <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote in message news:aj5kahh8kei34ethfj4egcbcol07f0kc7b@4ax.com... You evidently managed to find a photo that had the full number plate, only the first couple of characters of which were visib

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 18 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

[*] Oops, missing footnote: used to have in the sense that we’ve lost touch with them rather then because anything bad happened to them. Sam

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 18 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

We used to have[*] friends who spent a winter in arctic Norway. They said that every morning at 9 they opened the curtains, and then at 5 closed them again. That wasn’t because there was any change outside but was to preserve the dail

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 18 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Or a train sim. Sam

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Those appear to be photoshops. One pair of powercars have been to Europe for display at a show in their new livery, but as I say I don't think they've yet done any of their actual, intended work. Incidentally I was having an argument

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tweed

Overloaded cell capacity? Talking of not spots, the high tech US of A isn’t doing too well. My son is currently touring California and Arizona in an RV. He’s got two phones, one on UK Vodafone and the other using a local AT&T sim. Lo

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

There’s a strong relationship between alcohol problems and countries being in higher latitudes. That’s why they have high pricing. It’s not the high pricing that causes the problem. Same problem in northern Canada. My own guess is t

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Or crap weather and not much else to do...

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Peter Johnson

Taxed until 1 February 2023, MOT expires 5 October 2022 and it's on the askMID database as insured. Is there anything in insurance policies that invalidates them if the insured does something stupid?

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Wouldn't be allowed in that sector, AIUI. Because they live somewhere where there is little alternative to hospitality work for someone with their lack of educational qualifications, and/or they can fit it around things like education

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 13 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That cite ((which we've seen before) says they were "available". Nearly a year later they were logged as in storage at Eastleigh. I suppose the thing to do is try to find some photos online of them actually hauling something. Like this:

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, looking at the higher resolution photo Mark posted from Facebook, you can see the two on the top layer.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Probably. I guess with a MacPherson strut or similar you’d have to make sure the geometry closed up the spring before hitting the end travel of a shock absorber, or that the shocks are made to withstand that kind of abuse. Actually wh

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Since then another three from Laira have gone for scrap at Newport (43069 43193 43197, 31st May 2022) Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

On further inspection I think it’s actually 4 layers of 13 - 9 across the front in one orientation and then two pairs across the back - making a total of 52 blocks. Sam

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Not just me, then! Good. Sam

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Apparently the first pair are now operational. <https://railinsider.co.uk/2021/04/20/railadventure-moves-into-the-uk/>

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: ColinR

I had a succession of three Vodaphone picocells, all of which failed, one with a loud bang and a puff of smoke! Retired now so no longer needed. Partner's O2 picocell has been reliable for many years so patchy reliability issues.

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

If they are being fettled for future operations, then "stored" isn't perhaps the right word. But almost a year on from that, there are eight showing as stored at Eastleigh - operator HH, owner RailAdventure.

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It would probably make sense to concentrate the ones you were expecting to keep for a while, at one site. Anyway, this site (last updated mid-Jan 2022): <https://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/fleetlist120120 22.pdf> .

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm not entirely convinced that the "number of bars" on a phone represents the base station you are connected to at that instant. I've had long term problems with O2 (both native and via Tesco Mobile) where calls fail to connect, or ar

Re: No fares please

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Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

It has been done here. See, for example, these instructions issued by the RMT to members during a "revenue duties" strike in 2014: https://rmtlondoncalling.org.uk/revenueaction The main problem with that is that it appears to not be ve

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

This is what the back-to-back HST locomotive pairs look like: <https://railinsider.co.uk/2021/04/20/railadventure-moves-into-the-uk/> I don't think any are stored at Ely (I believe they're at Eastleigh and Willesden).

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Several which were stored elsewhere have gone for scrap recently. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 14 Days ago by: Recliner

But that wouldn't put any load on the suspension and wheels. Roland's calculations suggest that the load was rather less than a tonne, perhaps only a third of a tonne.

Re: No fares please

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Posted: 14 Days 1 Hour ago by: Certes

Would they expect to get paid for turning up but only doing half their job? Unless there's something in their contract that says they're only responsible for train safety and fare collection is optional (unlikely) then that sounds like g

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 14 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

(Or two people, each with two large checked bags). At my previous house, I did some hard landscaping in the garden, which needed about that many aerated blocks. I think I've described[*] my problems getting a supplier of less than a pale

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 1 Hour ago by: Theo

I'm not sure it's that surprising. If the car had inverted in an accident, it should be designed to resist the ~1 tonne load of the chassis and engine bearing down on the cabin. The dynamic loading of overturning would likely be much gr

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I’m in the EE group and they have an interactive coverage map which has definitely been updated within the last year or so. Incicdentally, the poor coverage in the rear of the property is not necessarily characterised by low signal str

Re: Good news for Anna

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Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Thanks, that's less than I'd have guessed — about four people. So, the concentrated load caved in the thin sheet metal roof (as would have happened if four men had stood on it), but probably didn't completely overload the tyres and susp

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Just weighed one block (left over from my extension), and ASSUMING ITS THE SAME MATERIAL, 7.2kg x 44 = 320kg. And some data from Wickes, again: aerated blocks: Height: 215 mm Length: 440 mm Width: 100 mm Weight: 7.20 kg

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

It's the old forbidden attraction.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Don't they date from live axle suspensions?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I guess modern cars, or at least cars with modern, road-optimised suspension, don’t have bump stops. Sam

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

There have been three significant re-deployments of mobile coverage in recent memory. The first only affects customers of EE (and its MVNOs) when they rationalised the overlaps between the former Orange and T-Mobile cellsites. The sec

Re: No fares please

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What union do the ticket barriers belong to? And with about half of revenue coming from season tickets, not even that effective.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Bob

Even then, many Scandinavian countries have their fair share of problem drinkers, there is very much a culture in those countries of regularly drinking to excess. Countries with less of a problem of excessive drinking are also often

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The bag of sand in that clip might have been.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 5 Hours ago by: Chris J Dixon

This may well have been staged. https://fb.watch/dFfUMEYpdj/ Chris

Re: Go-Down under

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

The second article on that page is also interesting.

No fares please

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Tweed

A letter in The Times has suggested that rather than going on strike, the rail workers should refuse to accept payment for fares (and presumably also refuse to check tickets). Apparently this is how they do rail industrial action in Japan.

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

There's still quite a few HST power cars at Papworth sidings. Often they are back-to-back but it's difficult to see if the are actually coupled.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's not a professionally stacked palette, the wrapping is ad-hoc and doesn't cover them all (hence the lowest layer are weathered) and the palette is actually a smaller one on top of a full-size one, and well past both their use-by

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 13 Hours ago by: Nobody

There's one powered by two horses... and they sit in the engine compartment without any bother. <ducks>

Go-Down under

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

Kinetic’s energy seals deal for Go-Ahead <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/701a37fe-eb51-11ec-b47a-cf598c451bbb?shareTokenF97cc9f22ef796354c8233b4ea22d0f>

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Recliner

It says a lot for Toyota's legendary build quality that a small, budget 20-year-old car was capable of carrying and moving a huge load like that! I wonder how many other French-built small cars of that age would pass that test?

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Theo

I think some of that is for effect - I don't think the bonnet is rusty, it's just been painted that way. The 'ratmobile' decal suggests they're going for a 'rat look', which is a thing. Of course the vehicle is, shall we say, a natural

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

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Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: NY

"Sam Wilson" <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:t8at0k$ka2$1@dont-email.me... I'm surprised he was even able to set off with that extra weight - you'd think the springs would be pressed down so far that the tyres wo

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

It'd not mentioned in the souvenir handbook issued to staff when they were first introduced.

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Each layer is 8x2 making 64, so just over a tonne. Sam

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 16 Hours ago by: NY

"mick" <nospam@junk.mail> wrote in message news:mn.73fd7e66cac3b0c8.143772@junk.mail... I wonder if the car was actually uninsured, or whether it was insured but the carrying of the dangerous load rendered the insurance invalid. Everyth

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I have reliable mobile coverage at the front of the house and dodgy coverage at the rear, where the bedroom and kitchen are. Until recently my provider’s coverage map had boundary that ran through my house. That seems to have changed,

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I watched a class 87 run round a Manchester-Euston train at Macclesfield in the late '90s because of a similar fault, but of course no blunt end there, just a loco unusually attached to the pointy end of the DVT. True ;) I'm pretty c

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 14 Days 18 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In a decade of catching trains in and out of Kings Cross I only saw a blunt-end-first loco once. So it does happen, but not very often. Of course they do have other ways to alternatively-haul them, see this photo I posted last week:

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Bob

I've definitely been on a 225 set where the DVT to 91 control connection went wrong and they ran the loco round and completed the journey blunt end first. Bold of you to use a word like "never". I'm reasonably sure at some point in

Re: Elizabeth line out of zone ticketing

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Bob

This eventuality is specifically covered by the "London Thameslink" destination that covers all stations, from either direction, between St Pancras, London Bridge and Elephant and Castle. If you want to transfer between paper and Oyst

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <euGdnUuBQ766XjX_nZ2dnUU7-RXNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 18:19:34 on Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> remarked: Why do suppose I might have been the pilot? Actually they don't. There's a local issu

Re: OT: Düsseldorf transport

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Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Soon, but not yet, AFAIK. Replacements ordered last year: <https://www.railwaygazette.com/vehicles/ruhrbahn-orders-51-light-rail-vehicles/59350.article> Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

New Barns Road. That figures. Mark

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Already done that, and the blocks were delivered on an HGV. Which was very likely insured.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Were you the pilot? Its managers work to at least midnight as a matter of course. Fine for people who want that - and the pub would probably be keen to retain someone that immediately flexible. Less good for people doing it as a ma

Re:_OT:_Düsseldorf_transport

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Bob

Are the ex-DLR vehicles still in use? I thought I had read they had been retired and withdrawn. Robin

Re: OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Beat m to it. I wondered if Roland was building an extension.

OT: Good job this didn't strike the low bridge at Ely :-)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: mick

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-61794798

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

Any city that has an early morning flight will have that. With a night in bed in the middle. No, they have a night in bed in the middle.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe for legacy airlines, not so much the low-costs (that's one reason the latter turn round in half an hour not sixty minutes). I'm sure they try to minimise that kind of thing, but the clock can't be beaten. If it was, they'd h

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Apparently 99% of the public do, and for the rest there's always a picocell cell attached to their wifi, or wifi-calling. Oh, you mean some train drivers don't have that either? Too busy herding goats, presumably.

Re: Good news for Anna

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In the nick of time. Let's see what happens to the customer-first experience later in the month (they dodged a bullet there for the RMT action on the 25th June).

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

91s have a full cab at both ends [1], and were intended to haul freight overnight (they never did). They do occasionally run blunt-end first in service on passenger trains, if there's a failure of some on-train equipment which necessitate

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

Which currently is tying itself in knots over the Rwanda scheme.

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Recliner

Do we know that? Or is it taking longer than usual, because there are more people needing to be vetted than usual, and many of them had multiple part-time jobs during the lockdown period? Nevertheless, the delays are in the Home Offic

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Wilson

Thank you. Seeing those diagrams gives me some comfort that I didn’t inadvertantly blank one out when I was in and around York about a month ago (late afternoon on a Thursday)! Sam

Good news for Anna

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-61796109>

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

They were intended to be used as general purpose locos, working in both directions. For example, it was originally planned that they could haul freight trains at night, sometimes with the bluff end leading. They also occasionally hauled p

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: ColinR

[snip] Assuming, of course, that you have mobile coverage at home ...

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

That's aspirational on a day to day basis, like the last time you linked to it. But it does ring-fence the possible destinations to "no further north than Yorkshire".

Re: Elizabeth line out of zone ticketing

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

To be picky, not to Southampton, or indeed anywhere west of Portsmouth. Exception would be a track basher going deliberately the long way round to get to those places.

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: egginton

Why did the class 91's have buffers fitted to their streamlined ends, but the majority of the HST was bufferless?

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's not my picture; I just found it on Twitter. My own pictures are always on Flickr.

Re: Elizabeth line out of zone ticketing

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

If boarding the TL train at SPI, they would have had to touch out of TfL-land to get to the TL platform. If changing at Farringdon, they would touch out there.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

This is the plane that flew me to Heathrow on Sunday night: <https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bxl> You can see that it spent one night in Rome, followed by three consecutive nights in Heathrow, and tonight it'll overnight i

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: mechanic

Say what you like, 'Recliner' takes a nice snap!

Re: OT: Düsseldorf transport

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Within Düsseldorf itself, there are two effectively separate sets of tram routes, which cross at 90° in an underground station. The Stadtbahn tunnels have four tracks and you can find yourself racing another tram from station to station

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Or you could just Google "class 91 diagrams" and find this used page as the first result: <http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/locohauled.html> …which tells that there are 5 daily diagrams, mostly Leeds services, with three visits to York pe

Re: Elizabeth line out of zone ticketing

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Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The use-case at StP is someone with an Oyster used for travelling around inside London, but holding a paper ticket from London Terminals which is therefore only valid from StPancras Thameslink towards Luton/ Peterborough/Cambridge and b

OT: Düsseldorf transport

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Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Lew 1

I have a week in Düsseldorf planned for next month. Whilst most of it it is scheduled, I’ll have a day free to wonder and explore, I don’t really know the city so… are there any interesting transport/rail related sights that I coul

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The people with expectations are those wishing to fly off on holiday.

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It is claimed that there are seven in service, papering over the cracks in the Azuma fleet. I would not be surprised to discover that they are mainly on London- Leeds services, with these two examples; and further searches on the depots

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

The Home Office clearance is running within the usual time. Knowing the checks necessary I cannot see how the time can be brought down to any great extent. Although the government is reducing the number of police cuts they're now plan

Re: Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Where are the 225 sets running? We don’t seem to see them this far north any more; presumably there are no longer any servicing facilities here. Sam

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Wouldn't they be more worried about checking that if you were *arriving* in the EU? It hasn't increased your "days in the EU" count? Might not matter to everyone, but sometimes it will.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <qdteah5ka4t70a85qv3h5llchb5jq4od3f@4ax.com>, at 18:39:11 on Mon, 13 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: I was your comment that a sample of 50 didn't seem big enough, not the media.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Probably whether or not the pilots get out of the plane (for example to swap shifts with another). They need some kind of "booking in" facility, where the pilots can get the latest weather forecasts and all those airline equivalents t

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <xvadnXJwX_JK8Dr_nZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 18:03:18 on Mon, 13 Jun 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> remarked: A bit like when KLM phoned me at 4am (I'd got up at 3am) to tell me my 6am flight had be

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

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Posted: 15 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Get out of bed the wrong side, did you? All I commented was "Google Maps says...", and when referred to a different answer from Wikipedia went the extra mile of checking with DB, and analysing why the Google Maps answer was misleading.

Retro IC225 LNER livery

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Posted: 15 Days 10 Hours ago by: Recliner

<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVIWtULWUAA-hZ1?format=jpg&name=large>

Re: Unidentified Snow Plough at Shelford Cambs?.

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Posted: 15 Days 14 Hours ago by: tony sayer

In article <t88279$ncn$1@dont-email.me>, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd- dryver.com> scribeth thus Right thanks for that, just wondered why it wasn't registered at Shelford on its way to Whittlesford, know that well round 1955 "ish" longer ag

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

It also means there won't need to be any extended airport closures. Most of the construction work could be done overnight, or while the airport remains open. It's a clever plan.

Re: Unidentified Snow Plough at Shelford Cambs?.

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

<https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:47739/2022-06-13/detailed> Actual headcode 6U41, operated by Colas Rail. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Ok, let’s turn this around. What do *you* consider defines an airline having a 'base' somewhere, as opposed to just flying in and out? What additional facilities do KLM require for crews staying overnight between the 22:10 arrival and

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Ditto. Cool idea since it means they don’t have to dig under the runway, which would not be risk-free. Sam

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

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Posted: 15 Days 17 Hours ago by: Marland

None of which changes the physical reality of the nearest stations to the Gibraltar border are San Roque-La Linea and the easiest to reach Algeciras both of which are far closer than those mentioned in your contribution.and were the answ

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, almost certainly.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Undoubtedly, but Lynch has probably triggered this particular one.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

I think the sudden burst of right-wing policy announcements is part of Operation Save Big Dog, rather than anything to do with the by-elections.

Re: Unidentified Snow Plough at Shelford Cambs?.

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 18 Hours ago by: ianb

it was 618Q 1215 Whittlesford Recp. to Whittlesford Recp. shown on RTT but only at CBG ian

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

aol

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

It's not intended to have any effect on the strike, it's propaganda to try to convince waverers not to vote against the tories. You are probably right in that it will have little effect on the by-elections but when you are desperate en

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

Thanks, that clarifies it.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The trouble is often not so much the methodology (which might be quite correct for the purposes of a particular study) but the interpretation placed on a study by the media.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

No proposed future legislation will have any effect on the imminent strikes, and probably not on the by-elections, either.

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

https://xplanereviews.com/uploads/monthly_2020_09/827816912_GibraltarLXGB_Airport26.jpg.8c2365774bb2092d19663f284ef94a00.jpg It is a tunnel under the runway. It then curves through 90 degrees and runs parallel to the border fence, surfac

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

The risk is perhaps that this turns into people believing its okay to regularly tell someone at 23:59 that their imminent early morning start has been changed, and if their phone has no signal it's their own problem. I know somone who

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

So it's just coincidence that they decide to announce anti-union legislation just before the by-elections? This strike had been coming for some time but Boris now desperately needs a distraction from the tories' internal woes.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

That was nothing to do with the by-elections. And the Tories haven't picked on the unions; all the aggression is coming from the union leaders.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No, just for the TOC to have 50% of its normal number of drivers working, irrespective of how they had to achieve that.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

But deciding now was the time to pick on the unions was the tories's choice.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But if the objective is to sway next week's voters, it's not a very effective dead cat.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

This month, but the proposals to legalise agency workers is for the future. I quoted v1 last week. Here's today's admittedly rather less detailed version: "We expect our services to be significantly reduced during this perio

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

It wasn't the Tories who chose the strike dates.

Unidentified Snow Plough at Shelford Cambs?.

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: tony sayer

Was stopped at Shelford (SED) station crossing at just gone 16:00 Hrs today and heard a slightly unusual loco approaching from Cambridge surprised to see a track laying machine of sorts whizz by! Briefly saw it had written on it "General

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

What better time to fling a dead cat on the table?

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

This is getting even worse. You want 50% of staff on Rest Day to be in work?!? Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

I'm not sure how they could check a certificate in Paris of someone travelling on a train that doesn't go there? As I was disembarking in Lille, they did check my Covid vaccination certificate in St P. Had I told the bloke I was staying

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 15 Days 21 Hours ago by: Muttley

Did they do the covid vaccine checks in the UK or Paris or are they not bothering any longer?

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, those results are pretty much priced in.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Bob

It will do nothing for all the Network Rail roles that are going on strike that have a direct impact on day-to-day operations, though, such as signallers, staff at major stations, control room etc. While that is the "inciting inciden

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

From what I've read, the Conservatives are tens of points behind in Wakefield, and the tipped party in Devon is the LibDems.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Giving the electorate something to complain about that isn't Boris.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Not even a crew-room? Employing local pilots and cabin crew does not require the airline to have whatever it is *you* think "a base" consists of. Simply by flying in and out, they must have aircraft maintenance and passenger check-in

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Labour voters not able to get to the polling station by train, or something else?

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Roland Perry

The prices are burnt into the till, pulled up by the barcode on the product, and reflected on the shelf-labelling. (Or, as I'm increasingly finding for routine groceries at my CoOp, not reflected in new shelf labelling <grr>)

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Roland Perry

For example the Outlook calendar I mentioned earlier. But that still requires the staff to be agreeable to reading it before they arrive at work - potentially on the day where their schedule was changed, so they might be two hours ea

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Roland Perry

It will if the reason they aren't running is wires down or "signal failures" (which most of the time means "track circuit failures"). The original trigger for this strike was laying off Network Rail *track workers*. But are they (

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I'm trying very hard to keep them as separate use-cases, even though a great deal of train driving [why are all the other railway jobs always airbrushed out?] Sunday working is likely to be "overtime" aka "almost always worked by someon

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Roland Perry

The agency train drivers are a red herring. And if the minimum number was perhaps 50%, there should be plenty of scope to move shifts around.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Recliner

Yes, you could well be right. One of the strike days coincides with the by-elections, which will probably depress the Labour vote and help the Tories. Plus, there could be a number of other public sector strikes this summer, and the go

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

I wondered whether that was what was happening. Doesn't really solve the problem as you still have to stop the traffic while the runway is live.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

I have a suspicion that the government actually want a strike in the immediate future to take the pressure off the by-elections that are currently being predicted as calamitous for Boris.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 1 Hour ago by: Certes

That sounds like a job for a medium which can store the message for the driver to check whenever they're free and read at their leisure, such as e-mail or SMS.

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 16 Days 1 Hour ago by: Certes

They seem to be building a surface-level road along the coast, bypassing the east end of the runway. <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map/36.1501/-5.3457>

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 1 Hour ago by: Certes

Outlets which provide alcohol to 13-year-olds might not be too diligent about obeying minimum price legislation.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 1 Hour ago by: Bob

Getting a bunch of maintenance work done is not going to help keep the trains running on strike days. Whether the wires are up or not has little bearing if the signallers, guards etc are all on strike. Does that include aquiescing

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 16 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

T3 was fairly busy last night. No delays at passport control, but the luggage took forever to arrive. Slightly worryingly, while we were waiting, what looked like the baggage handler team emerged from behind the curtain and appeared to be

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 2 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If you want to force "minimum numbers of [train crew] to work" (to cover the booked weekday service) during "also applicable to non-strikes such as [not working] rest days", then someone's going to have to be forced to work rest days, bec

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Spiral ramp?

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: MB

I suspect it is being exaggerate by the unions, even the most stupid manager knows that forcing some to pilot an aircraft when tired could be very expensive for the company. We often had to drive somewhere late in the day or drive bac

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: MB

If you are on compulsory telephone standby then you will be receiving payment for it, our standby payment was quite a useful sum. We had all theoretically agree to it but I think many would opt out if it did not mean colleagues would

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, fortunately. Of the six BA AMS-LHR flights scheduled for yesterday, three were cancelled and the other three all delayed. I think some of the passengers from a cancelled BA flight were transferred to our packed flight. Next to me we

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

A friend worked at BA in I think the "VIP" terminal at Heathrow and she didn't so much commute, as spend a lot of her rest-days flying round the world on priv tickets. Came unstuck once when needing to get back from Delhi and the plan

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed. But I was disappointed that (even when "inside the tent" so to speak) I could never find out the details.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I wouldn't characterise that as a "short meeting", and would agree with the driver that it should be scheduled separately. .... And presumably, looking it up online once you've turned up at the original time, isn't very useful. You'

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I remember looking at the time and the only ones I could find were the “blade-in-a-hook” type. I remember hearing/reading (I don’t remember which) speculation that they could be broken apart to extract the blade, but I think that w

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

And the treasury is not going to allow them to send the money it is going to take to sort it out. One of the many benefits of nationalisation.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

When I worked at Television Centre we had a floor manager who was married to an Aer Lingus pilot. They lived in Dublin and she commuted on priv tickets.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Mindful that you are looking at what's for sale 20yrs later. When I looked up "box cutters" in 2001, it was the letter-opener kind, and specifically ones that sliced off the right-angle folds to get into a box, rather than cutting the

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

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Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Google Maps says "We don't have the most recent timetables for this area" but doesn't show any passenger trains, just a bus to Malaga. Cont'd... looking things up on the Internet before travelling. Having looked also at the DB site, I

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

There are also imtermediate devices which are essentially Stanley knives with sprung blades, normally retracted but which extend when the handle is gripped. But there are loads of different styles of knife sold as “box cutters”. Sam

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I suspect he's referring to replacing Network Rail track staff with those from companies which do rail infrastructure building. Not sure if they ever fully followed through, but there was a plan to do all *maintenance* in house, but th

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, it's these unofficial "we've all decided not to do rest day working the next three Sundays" [etc] which give the impression of being outside the regulatory umbrella. So a "strike ban" wouldn't prevent it happening.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It wasn't uncommon for cabin crew (BA especially) to live as ex-pats in Spain, and get a "priv" flight back to Heathrow for the start of their shift. How that intersects with "working hours" - which normally exclude even extended comm

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marland

San Roque-La Linea the stop before Algeceras is the nearest station to the border at about 6.75 miles but that is how the crow flies. Most people will use the latter. Buses run frequently from there to the Spanish side of the border taki

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Tweed

KLM? it was interesting to note the difference between EasyJet’s and BA’s operation at Gibraltar. This is an airport that has only 5 scheduled departures per day. EasyJet turned their flights round in less than half an hour. The BA p

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I was on 24/7 call for about three years once, and drinking/holidays were not an issue. Mainly because my industry didn't have an alcohol ban, and being able to go on holiday with my mobile phone was preferable to being stuck at home glue

Re: This Weekend

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Tweed

Having watched the Crossrail TV programme last night I’m very glad I don’t have anything to do with the line’s software. I think I’d be having a nervous breakdown. I hadn’t really appreciated the complexity. Even upgrading the t

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

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Posted: 16 Days 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

Algeciras is the other side of the bay from Gibraltar. It’s claimed to be one of Europe’s biggest ports (though seems very small compared to Rotterdam), so I’d be surprised if it didn’t have a rail link. From Wikipedia: Algeci

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <ebSdnQm7p73Rjzj_nZ2dnUU7-evNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 23:08:02 on Sat, 11 Jun 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> remarked: What appears to be missing is an "agreed procedure" for Scotrail to be able to call th

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <nlecahlt81il73396q7rltg8tvhgok8qop@4ax.com>, at 20:26:19 on Sun, 12 Jun 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: There's numerous references in that second report to teenage drinking, and a golden rule

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

[BA] And what I'm alluding to in another subthread is that formerly the EU crew (from Spain) were flying to another EU country, which they were in a sense citizens of. Maybe it doesn't make a difference, but the UK becoming "just an

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Leave voters: Apparently that's true of a very large number of the so-called benefits of leaving the EU. In this instance I'm suggesting that there's possibly something in EU employment law which would have made it more difficult for

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

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Posted: 16 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

According to Google Maps, as the crow flies it's a tie (~60 miles) between Jerez and Malaga. But the former is a slower trip, both to the station, and onwards by rail inland.

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 11 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

How far is the nearest railroad station in Spain from the border with Gibraltar?

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marland

It was a surprise to me, the missus didn’t believe that I had no knowledge of it though. She sometimes chides that where ever we go I will found some artefact of industrial past such as a never finished canal or and old Railway, she

Re: This Weekend

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Posted: 16 Days 13 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, that all makes sense. Another thought might be that they need to allow time for a roll-back and re-test if the new release fails the tests.

Re: This Weekend

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: Matthew Geier

The software crew probably needed to do a 48hr long run systems test or needed to test a day rollover in the management system so needed a possession on either side of the hour the 'day' rolls over in the system (not necessarily midnight

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: Recliner

My flight to London was almost an hour late departing. I tracked its movements over the day, and it did LHR-AMS-LHR-AMS-GLA-AMS-LHR over the day. The pilot on the last leg blamed the delay on staff shortages in Glasgow, but I could see th

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 16 Hours ago by: Tweed

Just like my colleague the other week who got through in 20 minutes. Probably like the M25 which goes from clear running to miles of jams in very short time.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The "problem drinkers" in the report are not the full range. It doesn't seem to deal with e.g. youngsters getting ratted on cheap supermarket drinks. Minimum pricing has only been in force for 4 years so it could still be too soon to full

Re: Tried Elizabeth line - got grossly overcharged

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

In the event, there were no unusual delays. Joining the baggage drop queue to clearing the passport control into the non-Schengen zone took about 30 minutes.

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 17 Hours ago by: Tweed

Unfortunately not, mea culpa. Got to see Price Edward though!

Re: OT: Gibraltar Roaming

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 17 Hours ago by: Marland

Nice spot, stayed there in 2019 .Did you manage to see the preserved wagon from the Dockyard Railway stood on the pavement near Ragged Staff Gate? GH

Re: This Weekend

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 17 Hours ago by: Bevan Price

Those are relatively short distance inconveniences. The WCML today (Sunday 12 June) from the South has trains only as far as Warrington - and then 3 separate coach rides if you want to get to Glasgow. Warrington to Preston (1 hour); Pr

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Checking BA's Gibraltar arrivals today on Flightradar24 shows that the aircraft fly straight back to Heathrow and BA don't have flights to anywhere else; so unless they taxi crews from Madrid to Gibraltar, that seems to be rather a red he

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

KLM crew and aircraft overnight in Bristol but they don't have "a base" there. I don't know the arrangements for long-haul flights, but surely there's no reason that crews couldn't spend the night (or two nights, or whatever) in a hotel

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

We have several Spanish people working at my TOC. And Polish, French, and plenty of other nationalities. Perhaps your pilot was already living and working in the UK before Brexit, and has Settled Status? And presumably that particular s

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I know a very very few people who are stroppy enough to re-start their break ("I'm entitled to 30 minutes unbroken rest") if the control centre call them during the appropriate time period (call them in minute 31 and they're fine), but as

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Being unable to drink alcohol or go on holiday for several years must have been quite inconvenient. That kind of thing wouldn't work on the railways, because it's quite uncommon for sufficient number of crews to be at their home depot

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

1.25x for me, which may vary by TOC (for example, when I worked for fNW, Sundays were flat time and Rest Days time+2hours (or possibly the other way around, I forget)). There used to be a list on the ASLEF website. There are, AFAIK, t

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

No problem using non-British crew though, after all the UK is just another country they fly to that they aren't citizens of.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tweed

Recliner - thanks for link Not sure how Brexit comes into this? BA could equally have well done this regardless of our EU membership status.

Re: Biggest rail strike for 30 years will cause week of disruption

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Posted: 16 Days 20 Hours ago by: Scott

No Several weeks where RMT is involved.

Re: Covid (was:12 cars KGX-CBG)

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Posted: 16 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Thanks. I haven’t fai