Chris wrote:
> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Not morally.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>
>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>
>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>
> What the fuck does that mean?
>
>> then why wasn't
>> he criminally prosecuted?
>
> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
> CJS for a long time.

Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!

Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.

>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>> charged?
>
> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>
>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>> actual justice.
>>>
>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>
>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>
>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>
>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>
>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>> in the criminal system.
>
> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>
>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>
>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>>>> society works.
>>>>
>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>> anything.
>>>
>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>
> Notable you didn't answer this.

All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.

Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.

On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
>>>>>>>>>>>> was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and
>>>>>>>> the United
>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR
>>>>>>> shells?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>
>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>
>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>
> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.

What does that prove, doofus?

For all you know, they have no more.

And where do you get your figures on how many "similar missiles" (does
that mean cruise missiles or just missiles?) Russia has used, doofus?
Russia again?

On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two
>>>>>>>>>> civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in
>>>>>>>>>> most civilised
>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
>>>>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil
>>>>>>>> case is a
>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>
>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually
>>>> assaulted one
>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>
>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>
>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>
>>> then why wasn't
>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>
>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by
>> the
>> CJS for a long time.
>
> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>
> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>
>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>> charged?
>>
>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>
>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>
>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>
>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>
>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>> in the criminal system.
>>
>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>
>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>
>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't
>>>> face
>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is.
>>>>>>>> If it
>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred
>>>>>>>> he'd just
>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one
>>>>>>>> of their
>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
>>>>>>>> Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have
>>>>>>> politically-
>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump.
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not
>>>>>> how fair
>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>
>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>
> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
> if you really want to get into that debate.
>
> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly
> committed.

Sure he has.

It is literally in the indictments.

<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>

I'll give you one example:

'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses
the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST
DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The
defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February
14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and
aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in
the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael
Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump
Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.'

That's a FELONY, doofus.

There are 33 more listed there.

Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>
>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>
>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>
>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>
>>> then why wasn't
>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>
>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>> CJS for a long time.
>
> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>
> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.

Spoken like a true misogynist.

Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.

>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>
>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>
> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
> if you really want to get into that debate.

Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.

When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.

But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.

On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:

> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>
> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.

Then what? Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?

> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short.
But scream it at them in Klingon, because life is also
terrifying and confusing." -- D. Moore

On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>
>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>
>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>
> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>
>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>

You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:

We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.

On 4/14/24 10:43 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>>
>>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
>>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>>
>> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>>
>>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>>
>
> You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
> cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:
>
> We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
> times fewer.

Canadians are just nicer than USians. OTOH, "they're not even a real
country anyway!"

--
Cheers, Bev
There are 2 groups of people you can make fun of on the Internet
without fear of attack: the illiterate and the Amish.

On 2024-04-14 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 4/14/24 10:43 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be
>>>> men.
>>>>
>>>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the
>>>> good
>>>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>>>
>>> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>>>
>>>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>>>
>>
>> You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
>> cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:
>>
>> We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
>> times fewer.
>
> Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
> country anyway!"

That's your best is it?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>

Do you notice anything about that chart?

On 4/14/24 11:13 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 4/14/24 10:43 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be
>>>>> men.
>>>>>
>>>>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the
>>>>> good
>>>>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>>>>
>>>> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>>>>
>>>>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
>>> cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:
>>>
>>> We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
>>> times fewer.
>>
>> Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
>> country anyway!"
>
> That's your best is it?

Not worth the full effort.

We have lots of guns and lots of criminals. More than we have cops.
Aside from wishing, and in the full knowledge that this situation will
continue for the indefinite future, what do you think the average
law-abiding citizen should do in case of attack by a criminal?

Yeah, most people don't carry. Would there be more or less crime if
armed criminals KNEW that their intended victims were NOT carrying?

That's all the effort I'm going to put into an argument that's gone on
for decades.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
>
> Do you notice anything about that chart?

So what?

--
Cheers, Bev
"If you watch TV news, you know less about the world than
if you just drank gin straight from the bottle."
- Garrison Keillor

On 2024-04-14 12:02, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 4/14/24 11:13 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-14 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 4/14/24 10:43 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society
>>>>>> there's no
>>>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to
>>>>>> be men.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between
>>>>>> the good
>>>>>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>>>>>
>>>>>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
>>>> cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird
>>>> thing:
>>>>
>>>> We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
>>>> times fewer.
>>>
>>> Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
>>> country anyway!"
>>
>> That's your best is it?
>
> Not worth the full effort.
>
> We have lots of guns and lots of criminals.  More than we have cops.
> Aside from wishing, and in the full knowledge that this situation will
> continue for the indefinite future, what do you think the average
> law-abiding citizen should do in case of attack by a criminal?
>
> Yeah, most people don't carry.  Would there be more or less crime if
> armed criminals KNEW that their intended victims were NOT carrying?

There's less crime in Canada...

....and the criminals all KNOW no one is carrying.

>
> That's all the effort I'm going to put into an argument that's gone on
> for decades.
>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
>>
>> Do you notice anything about that chart?
>
> So what?

Really? That's the best you've got?

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>
>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>
>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>
> Then what? Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?

It's the cops that are there spotting those with illegal guns. No waiting
required. You're making the mistake of only considering active shooters.

Maybe in the US the police are too slow/incompetent/cowardly to respond
effectively(see Uvalde, Parkland, et al). In other countries the police are
more professional.

>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business
>>>>>>>>>>>> partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
>>>>>>>>>>> civilised
>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>
>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>
>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>
>>>> then why wasn't
>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>
>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>> CJS for a long time.
>>
>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>
>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>
>>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>>> charged?
>>>
>>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>>
>>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>>
>>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>>> in the criminal system.
>>>
>>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>>
>>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
>>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>
>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>
>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>
>> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
>
> Sure he has.

No he hasn't.

> It is literally in the indictments.
>
> <https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
>
> I'll give you one example:
>
> 'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the
> defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE , in
> violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The defendant, in the
> County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to
> defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission
> thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise,
> to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a
> record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the
> Trump Organization.'
>
> That's a FELONY, doofus.
>
> There are 33 more listed there.

Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>>
>>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>>
>>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>>
>> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
>> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
>> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
>
> What does that prove, doofus?

That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.

Chris wrote:
> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>
>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>
>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>
>>>> then why wasn't
>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>
>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>> CJS for a long time.
>>
>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>
>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>
> Spoken like a true misogynist.

Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.

> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
> prefer the wild west.
>
>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>
>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>
>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>
> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.

Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.

> When everyone is carrying a gun

But not everyone carries a gun.

> you can't differentiate between the good
> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>
> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.

On 2024-04-14 19:48, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two
>>>>>>>>>>>> civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in
>>>>>>>>>>>> most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
>>>>>>>>>> civil case is a
>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done
>>>>>>>> something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong?
>>>>>> You've
>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually
>>>>>> assaulted one
>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>
>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>
>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>
>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>
>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice,
>>>> especially
>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well
>>>> by the
>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>
>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>
>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>
>>>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>>>> charged?
>>>>
>>>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>>>
>>>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation
>>>>>>>> aren't just
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>>>> in the criminal system.
>>>>
>>>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and
>>>>>> shouldn't face
>>>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he
>>>>>>>>>> is. If it
>>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from
>>>>>>>>>> Fred he'd just
>>>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
>>>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until
>>>>>>>>>> one of their
>>>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
>>>>>>>>>> Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have
>>>>>>>>> politically-
>>>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The
>>>>>>>> right were
>>>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as
>>>>>>>> Trump. Again,
>>>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not
>>>>>>>> how fair
>>>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>
>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>
>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men,
>>> for one,
>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>
>>> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly
>>> committed.
>>
>> Sure he has.
>
> No he hasn't.
>
>> It is literally in the indictments.
>>
>> <https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
>>
>> I'll give you one example:
>>
>> 'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses
>> the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST
>> DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The
>> defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about
>> February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another
>> crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a
>> false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an
>> invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record
>> of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the
>> Trump Organization.'
>>
>> That's a FELONY, doofus.
>>
>> There are 33 more listed there.
>
> Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
> felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.

On 2024-04-14 19:49, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and
>>>>>>>>>> the United
>>>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR
>>>>>>>>> shells?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>>>
>>>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>>>
>>> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
>>> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
>>> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
>>
>> What does that prove, doofus?
>
> That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
> least.

Simply wrong, doofus.

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/14/24 11:13 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-14 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 4/14/24 10:43 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be
>>>>>> men.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>>>>>
>>>>>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
>>>> cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:
>>>>
>>>> We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
>>>> times fewer.
>>>
>>> Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
>>> country anyway!"
>>
>> That's your best is it?
>
> Not worth the full effort.
>
> We have lots of guns and lots of criminals. More than we have cops.

No different than most western countries.

> Aside from wishing, and in the full knowledge that this situation will
> continue for the indefinite future, what do you think the average
> law-abiding citizen should do in case of attack by a criminal?

Just like in any other country. Call the professionals. Remember the vast
majority of criminals have no interest in seriously harming you. It takes
effort, it's risky and increases jail time if caught. They want submission
and compliance.

> Yeah, most people don't carry. Would there be more or less crime if
> armed criminals KNEW that their intended victims were NOT carrying?

The US has more serious crime than any equivalent country. It also has more
civilian held guns.

Other countries have less crime so:
Fewer guns = less serious crime

> That's all the effort I'm going to put into an argument that's gone on
> for decades.

And has been solved in several countries through gun control.

>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
>>
>> Do you notice anything about that chart?
>
> So what?
>
>
>

On 2024-04-14 20:06, Anonymous wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two
>>>>>>>>>>>> civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in
>>>>>>>>>>>> most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
>>>>>>>>>> civil case is a
>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done
>>>>>>>> something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong?
>>>>>> You've
>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually
>>>>>> assaulted one
>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>
>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>
>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>
>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>
>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice,
>>>> especially
>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well
>>>> by the
>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>
>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>
>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>
>> Spoken like a true misogynist.
>
> Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.

What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?

>
>> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like
>> you'd
>> prefer the wild west.
>>
>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>
>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>
>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men,
>>> for one,
>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>
>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>
> Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
>
>> When everyone is carrying a gun
>
> But not everyone carries a gun.

The simple fact is:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>

Deal with it.

Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>
>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>
>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>
>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>
>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>
>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>
>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>
>> Spoken like a true misogynist.
>
> Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.

He got what he deserved. Maybe you want to join him?

>> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
>> prefer the wild west.
>>
>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>
>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>
>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>
>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>
> Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.

No one needs vigilantes.

>> When everyone is carrying a gun
>
> But not everyone carries a gun.

It wasn't meant literally.

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 19:48, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>
>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>
>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>>
>>>>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>>>>> charged?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>>>>> in the criminal system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>>>>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
>>>>>>>>>>> Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>>>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>
>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>>
>>>> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
>>>
>>> Sure he has.
>>
>> No he hasn't.
>>
>>> It is literally in the indictments.
>>>
>>> <https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
>>>
>>> I'll give you one example:
>>>
>>> 'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the
>>> defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE ,
>>> in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The defendant, in
>>> the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with
>>> intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the
>>> commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of
>>> an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017,
>>> marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and
>>> maintained by the Trump Organization.'
>>>
>>> That's a FELONY, doofus.
>>>
>>> There are 33 more listed there.
>>
>> Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
>> felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
>
> You don't understand the law.
>
> There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".
>
> There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was undertaken
> in furtherance of.

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 20:06, Anonymous wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>
>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>
>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>
>>> Spoken like a true misogynist.
>>
>> Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
>
> What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?

Why should some slut be allowed to go to the authorities after YEARS
AND YEARS and cry "rape"?

>>> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
>>> prefer the wild west.
>>>
>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>
>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>
>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>
>> Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
>>
>>> When everyone is carrying a gun
>>
>> But not everyone carries a gun.
>
> The simple fact is:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
>
> Deal with it.
>

Do you think that someone is more dead after having been shot with a
gun?

And why the focus on the "developed world"? Mexico has fierce gun laws
and a much higher murder rate.

Chris wrote:
> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>
>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>
>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>
>>> Spoken like a true misogynist.
>>
>> Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
>
> He got what he deserved. Maybe you want to join him?

No he didn't. Maybe you should be rape hoaxed.

>>> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
>>> prefer the wild west.
>>>
>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>
>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>
>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>
>> Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
>
> No one needs vigilantes.

Self-defense is not vigilantism.

>>> When everyone is carrying a gun
>>
>> But not everyone carries a gun.
>
> It wasn't meant literally.
>
>
>
>
>

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 19:49, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>>>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>>>>
>>>>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>>>>
>>>> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
>>>> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
>>>> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
>>>
>>> What does that prove, doofus?
>>
>> That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
>> least.
>
> Simply wrong, doofus.

The industrial base of the United States has been hollowed out, and we
aren't producing more because we CAN'T. Stop being a retard.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/02/06/supplier-bottlenecks-threaten-us-navy-effort-to-grow-arms-stockpiles/

On 2024-04-15 22:10, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-14 20:06, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
>>>>>>>>>>>> civil case is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done
>>>>>>>>>> something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong?
>>>>>>>> You've
>>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually
>>>>>>>> assaulted one
>>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice,
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated
>>>>>> well by the
>>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth.
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like a true misogynist.
>>>
>>> Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
>>
>> What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?
>
> Why should some slut be allowed to go to the authorities after YEARS
> AND YEARS and cry "rape"?

Why should he be allowed to get away with it even if it's been years?

>
>>>> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like
>>>> you'd
>>>> prefer the wild west.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and
>>>>>>>>> proscribe
>>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>>
>>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men,
>>>>> for one,
>>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>>
>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be
>>>> men.
>>>
>>> Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
>>>
>>>> When everyone is carrying a gun
>>>
>>> But not everyone carries a gun.
>>
>> The simple fact is:
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
>>
>> Deal with it.
>>
>
> Do you think that someone is more dead after having been shot with a
> gun?
>
> And why the focus on the "developed world"?

Because those countries are similar to the US in terms of wealth, social
development, etc.

> Mexico has fierce gun laws
> and a much higher murder rate.
And there is a lot more poverty in Mexico.

Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like a true misogynist.
>>>
>>> Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
>>
>> He got what he deserved. Maybe you want to join him?
>
> No he didn't. Maybe you should be rape hoaxed.

You're getting incoherent. Are the drugs wearing off?

>>>> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
>>>> prefer the wild west.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>>
>>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>>
>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>>
>>> Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
>>
>> No one needs vigilantes.
>
> Self-defense is not vigilantism.

Pre-empirically carrying a gun is not "self-defence". Its weakness.
Billions of people are quite capable of not becoming a victim without
needing guns for "self-defence".