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* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Alan Bowler
`* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Peter Flass
 +- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Ahem A Rivet's Shot
 +* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?lar3ryca
 |+* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Charlie Gibbs
 ||+* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?lar3ryca
 |||`* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Charlie Gibbs
 ||| +* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?TonyCooper
 ||| |+* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Sn!pe
 ||| ||+- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Kerr-Mudd, John
 ||| ||`- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?scott
 ||| |`* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Phil Carmody
 ||| | `- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?J. J. Lodder
 ||| `- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?lar3ryca
 ||`* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Scott Lurndal
 || `* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?lar3ryca
 ||  `- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Vir Campestris
 |`* Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Andreas Kohlbach
 | `* Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Hibou
 |  `* Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Kerr-Mudd, John
 |   `* Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Scott Lurndal
 |    `- Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Charlie Gibbs
 `* do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Kerr-Mudd, John
  +- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Scott Lurndal
  +- do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?Peter Moylan

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From: atbowler@thinkage.ca (Alan Bowler)
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 by: Alan Bowler - Thu, 2 Nov 2023 23:55 UTC

On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
>
> I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC,
> Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class
> of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.

The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
memory to memory move.

It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
look like a z80.

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From: peter_flass@yahoo.com (Peter Flass)
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 by: Peter Flass - Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:55 UTC

Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
> On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
>>
>> I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC,
>> Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class
>> of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
>
> The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
> once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
> E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
> When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
> you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
> memory to memory move.
>
> It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
> programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
> look like a z80.
>
>

IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
bizarre.

--
Pete

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:27 UTC

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:55:45 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

Trimming alt.usage.english.

> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
> bizarre.

I'm very much inclined to agree, at least from the perspective of
an assembler programmer. I gather things look different from the
perspective of the compiler writer which is why modern architectures are so
complex and strange (ARM v8 I'm looking your way).

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: lar3ryca - Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:30 UTC

On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
> Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
>>>
>>> I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC,
>>> Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class
>>> of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
>>
>> The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
>> once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
>> E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
>> When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
>> you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
>> memory to memory move.
>>
>> It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
>> programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
>> look like a z80.
>>
>>
>
> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
> bizarre.

Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?

"I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."

--
I was looking for the stationery department,
but they moved it.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:30 UTC

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:55:45 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
> > On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:

It was a year ago, but never mind!
> >>
> >> I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC,
> >> Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class
> >> of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
> >
> > The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
> > once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
> > E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
> > When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
> > you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
> > memory to memory move.
> >
> > It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
> > programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
> > look like a z80.
> >
> >
>
> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
> bizarre.
>

Tried doing any ARM asm? [I haven't]

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Fri, 3 Nov 2023 21:35 UTC

"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:55:45 -0700
>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
>> > On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
>
>It was a year ago, but never mind!
>> >>
>> >> I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA COSMAC,
>> >> Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the PIC was in a class
>> >> of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever used.
>> >
>> > The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little system
>> > once you decoded the manual and found the actual instruction set.
>> > E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of the move instruction.
>> > When you reclassified things by op code value and what they did
>> > you found a more or classic load register, store register, and
>> > memory to memory move.
>> >
>> > It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
>> > programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
>> > look like a z80.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>> bizarre.
>>
>
>Tried doing any ARM asm? [I haven't]
>

It's like any other instruction set. ARMv7 has some
idiosyncrancies, as does most any useful instruction set;
although ARMv8 did get rid of predication in the normal
instruction set (where each instruction can be optionally
executed based on the CPU flags). ARMv8 reduced that
to a few conditional moves with the rest of the instruction
set unpredicated.

ARMv7 does also support a second 16-bit instruction set for
use in embedded and small CPUs. That's been eliminated
from ARMv9 on and was deprecated in ARMv8.

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From: cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
Subject: Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?
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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Fri, 3 Nov 2023 22:30 UTC

On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

> On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>> bizarre.
>
> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>
> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."

"Division is futile. You will be approximated."

Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
competition.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | The Internet is like a big city:
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
/ \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 14:33 UTC

On 2023-11-03 16:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>>> bizarre.
>>
>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>
>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>
> "Division is futile. You will be approximated."
>
> Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
> that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
> processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
> competition.

<applause>

--
Asking if a computer can think is like asking if a submarine can swim.

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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>>> bizarre.
>>
>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>
>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>
>"Division is futile. You will be approximated."
>
>Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
>that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
>processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
>competition.

Although that is factually incorrect. NT was a completely
new operating system (with a stark resemblence to VMS).

Personally, I've managed to avoid windows entirely.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 17:04 UTC

On 2023-11-04 09:41, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>> On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>>>> bizarre.
>>>
>>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>>
>>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>>
>> "Division is futile. You will be approximated."
>>
>> Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
>> that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
>> processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
>> competition.
>
> Although that is factually incorrect. NT was a completely
> new operating system (with a stark resemblence to VMS).
>
> Personally, I've managed to avoid windows entirely.

I was pretty much forced into it by wanting to be employed.

--
Of course I know which side my bread is buttered on, but I don't care.
I eat both sides.

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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 19:46 UTC

On 2023-11-04, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

> On 2023-11-03 16:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>>>> bizarre.
>>>
>>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>>
>>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>>
>> "Division is futile. You will be approximated."
>>
>> Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
>> that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
>> processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
>> competition.
>
> <applause>

Thanks. And no, I haven't forgotten you; those Amigas are
sitting on my desk, waiting for me to find time to go over
them and get them ready to ship.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | The Internet is like a big city:
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
/ \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

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 by: TonyCooper - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 23:07 UTC

On Sat, 04 Nov 2023 19:46:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

>On 2023-11-04, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-03 16:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>>>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>>>>> bizarre.
>>>>
>>>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>>>
>>>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>>>
>>> "Division is futile. You will be approximated."
>>>
>>> Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
>>> that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
>>> processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
>>> competition.
>>
>> <applause>
>
>Thanks. And no, I haven't forgotten you; those Amigas are
>sitting on my desk, waiting for me to find time to go over
>them and get them ready to ship.

Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
"cool".

https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 00:23 UTC

On 2023-11-04 13:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-11-04, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-03 16:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-03, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-03 12:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the Mot 16-
>>>>> and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel chips just got more
>>>>> bizarre.
>>>>
>>>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>>>
>>>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>>>
>>> "Division is futile. You will be approximated."
>>>
>>> Windows: a 64-bit enhancement to a 32-bit upgrade of software
>>> that runs on a 16-bit kludge of an 8-bit version of a 4-bit
>>> processor from a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of
>>> competition.
>>
>> <applause>
>
> Thanks. And no, I haven't forgotten you; those Amigas are
> sitting on my desk, waiting for me to find time to go over
> them and get them ready to ship.

Thanks Charlie.

And just for you...

Janus And IBM compatible hardware addon for the Amiga.

I have always felt that the name came from

J (the Amiga check-mark logo) and 'anus', describing the addon itself.

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 by: Sn!pe - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 03:34 UTC

TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

> Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
> One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
> I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
> "cool".
>
> <https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg>

That looks like the old classic 'Pacman'

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 16:07 UTC

On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 03:34:56 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
> > One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
> > I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
> > "cool".
> >
> > <https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg>
>
> That looks like the old classic 'Pacman'
>
It looks a bit like Pacman; I see no "cheese" or enemies though; and the
'dead ends' at the corners are wrong.
lets try Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pac-man.png

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 by: Vir Campestris - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 21:42 UTC

On 04/11/2023 17:04, lar3ryca wrote:
> I was pretty much forced into it by wanting to be employed.

I was employed before Windows was a thing, and learned it as it came
out. I learned a lot more about NT - to the extent of device drivers and
file system filters - and was oriented that way for years. But my last
few jobs required me to learn Linux, which I now use on my own computer.

We now have around the house Windows, Android, Linux and an iPhone in
daily use.

Andy

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 23:37 UTC

On 04/11/23 06:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:55:45 -0700 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-12 9:07 a.m., lar3ryca wrote:
>
> It was a year ago, but never mind!
>>>>
>>>> I never did like the 8080 or any of its successors, and the RCA
>>>> COSMAC, Z80, and PIC were in the same category. Actually the
>>>> PIC was in a class of its own, the worst microprocessor I ever
>>>> used.
>>>
>>> The 16 bit z8000 (z80001) was actually a quite nice little
>>> system once you decoded the manual and found the actual
>>> instruction set. E.g. the manuals talked about various formats of
>>> the move instruction. When you reclassified things by op code
>>> value and what they did you found a more or classic load
>>> register, store register, and memory to memory move.
>>>
>>> It was not quite as elegant as the PDP-11, but it was an easily
>>> programmed machine. The manuals were terrible, trying to make it
>>> look like a z80.
>>
>> IMO, at the time Motorola 6809 was the best of the bunch, and the
>> Mot 16- and 32-bit chips improved on it, while the later Intel
>> chips just got more bizarre.
>
> Tried doing any ARM asm? [I haven't]

I have. About ten years ago I was working on smart relays, where an FFT
had to be calculated many times per second. (The goal was to catch
high-frequency noise that could be hazardous but which conventional
relays didn't see.) That meant a fast processor was needed. Most of the
software was written in C, but we needed a thread-switching kernel that
I had to write in assembly language.

The RISC approach initially looked elegant, and I was suitable
impressed, but two problems caused me trouble. The first was a very
strange approach to version numbering, which left me confused about
which ARM version I was working on. (I kept on using instructions that
didn't exist because of misleading documentation.) The other was
related: the instruction set depended on version. When we upgraded the
hardware, I had to completely re-do that kernel.

What really annoyed me about the later ARM versions was that some
complex instructions were added to the "reduced instruction set" --
presumably some lobby groups pushed for special new features -- which
damaged the elegance of the RISC approach.

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Newcastle, NSW

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 by: scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - Mon, 6 Nov 2023 18:59 UTC

In alt.folklore.computers Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
> TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
>> One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
>> I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
>> "cool".
>>
>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg>
>
> That looks like the old classic 'Pacman'

Most likely a knockoff, as it's running on a CoCo 2 and Pac-Man was never
officially ported to the CoCo AFAIK.

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 by: Phil Carmody - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 01:02 UTC

TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> writes:
> Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
> One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
> I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
> "cool".
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-04-17.jpg

Looks like a Tandy. Has the different colour keys in the right places,
and the rainbowish motif on the body:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TRS-80_Color_Computer_2-64K.jpg

It looks like an odd version of PacMan, as the cylindrical topology
of PacMan was pretty integral to the game, and that's lacking.

Phil
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 by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 12:35 UTC

Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:

> TonyCooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> writes:
> > Earlier today I took my 7 year-old grandson to a Maker Faire event.
> > One of the exhibits was an array of old computers and computer games.
> > I'm not what game he's playing in this photo, but he thought it was
> > "cool".
> >
> > https://photos.smugmug.com/2023-MAKER-FAIRE/i-5RN8Mpc/0/18ad473a/O/2023-11-0
4-17.jpg
>
> Looks like a Tandy. Has the different colour keys in the right places,
> and the rainbowish motif on the body:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TRS-80_Color_Computer_2-64K.jpg
>
> It looks like an odd version of PacMan, as the cylindrical topology
> of PacMan was pretty integral to the game, and that's lacking.

Known in mathematical and physical contexts
as 'periodic boundary conditions'.
These are not limited to two dimensions,

Jan

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 05:33 UTC

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:
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> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>
> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."

| I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
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 by: Hibou - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:24 UTC

Le 18/02/2024 à 05:33, Andreas Kohlbach a écrit :
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:
>>
>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>
>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>
> | I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.

Divide and conk out.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:15 UTC

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:24:39 +0000
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 18/02/2024 à 05:33, Andreas Kohlbach a écrit :
> > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:
> >>
> >> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
> >>
> >> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
> >
> > | I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
>
> Divide and conk out.
>
Halt and Catch Fire

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:24:39 +0000
>Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Le 18/02/2024 =E0 05:33, Andreas Kohlbach a =E9crit :
>> > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>> >>
>> >> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>> >=20
>> > | I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
>>=20
>> Divide and conk out.
>>=20
>Halt and Catch Fire

Punch Card
Punch Disk
Punch Operator.

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From: cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
Subject: Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?
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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Sun, 18 Feb 2024 17:17 UTC

On 2024-02-18, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:24:39 +0000
>> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
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>>> Le 18/02/2024 =E0 05:33, Andreas Kohlbach a =E9crit :
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:30:34 -0600, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you remember the Pentium with the floating point bug?
>>>>>
>>>>> "I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated."
>>>>
>>>> I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
>>>
>>> Divide and conk out.
>>
>> Halt and Catch Fire
>
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
/ \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

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