While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
low cost. I find such apps very useful.

On 2024-01-24 04:03, Cameo wrote:
> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
> low cost. I find such apps very useful.

In the US some states require you inform the other party.

I believe Apple make recording phone calls impossible on the device -
part of Apple's privacy policy. There are workarounds, of course, such
as using speaker and another device to record both sides.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 1/24/2024 2:21 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-01-24 04:03, Cameo wrote:
>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or
>> a low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>
> In the US some states require you inform the other party.

You are right about the US situation, though I have always had the
impression that the EU is even more obsessed with privacy than the US.

> I believe Apple make recording phone calls impossible on the device -
> part of Apple's privacy policy.  There are workarounds, of course, such
> as using speaker and another device to record both sides.

So than how can these pop-up app ads advertise themselves? They sure do
not require another device for the scheme to work. Besides, it would not
be very practical. BTW, to my knowledge Android also makes it hard for
such apps to exist.

Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>
> So than how can these pop-up app ads advertise themselves? They sure do
> not require another device for the scheme to work. Besides, it would not
> be very practical. BTW, to my knowledge Android also makes it hard for
> such apps to exist.
>

I’m sure Arlen can help you find one on the Android side. This function is
one of his pet peeves with iOS.

On 2024-01-24 08:55, Cameo wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 2:21 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-01-24 04:03, Cameo wrote:
>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or
>>> a low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>
>> In the US some states require you inform the other party.
>
> You are right about the US situation, though I have always had the
> impression that the EU is even more obsessed with privacy than the US.
>
>> I believe Apple make recording phone calls impossible on the device -
>> part of Apple's privacy policy.  There are workarounds, of course,
>> such as using speaker and another device to record both sides.
>
> So than how can these pop-up app ads advertise themselves? They sure do
> not require another device for the scheme to work.

I'm sure someone has the answer - Google away.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2024-01-24, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers

I am constantly amazed that there are still people bumbling around the
web with no ad blocking & tracking protection whatsoever today...

> for different call recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using
> them and how satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure
> if they are legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such
> app free or a low cost. I find such apps very useful.

The only ones that will work with Apple devices will rely on call
forwarding, where your calls get forwarded to some strange company that
records your calls (and then does who knows what with them - a privacy
nightmare). Apps are not allowed access to calls on Apple devices in the
interest of security and privacy.

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JR

Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2024-01-24, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> > While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers
>
> I am constantly amazed that there are still people bumbling around
> the web with no ad blocking & tracking protection whatsoever
> today...

Maybe some people like constant pop-ups interfering with their
browsing?!

I don't, but there's nowt as queer as folk as my old Nan used to
say...

Am 24.01.24 um 10:03 schrieb Cameo:
> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
> low cost. I find such apps very useful.

In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

J�rg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>
> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.

If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?

Am 25.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Peter:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>
>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.
>
> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?

None. I respect the privacy of my callers.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On 1/25/2024 6:38 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 25.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Peter:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>>
>>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.
>>
>> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?
>
> None. I respect the privacy of my callers.
>
It often happens that you need to take notes during a phone call but you
are not in a position to do that. For instance during driving. I was
thinking about such situations when a call recorder could come handy.

On 2024-01-25 12:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 25.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Peter:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>>
>>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.
>>
>> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?
>
> None. I respect the privacy of my callers.

What if they don't respect yours?

What if it's a legal matter?

Canada is a one-party consent system. So I consent to me recording the
call if I want to. If you say something legally inconvenient to you,
that is your problem when I present it in discovery and ask the
embarrassing questions.

Companies here generally disclose that they are recording conversations
for "training and other purposes", but we all know it's for two purposes:
1) Keep their people sharp and their statements legally contained.
2) To gather anything you say that would benefit them legally.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> On 1/25/2024 6:38 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 25.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Peter:
>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>>>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>>>
>>>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.
>>>
>>> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?
>>
>> None. I respect the privacy of my callers.
>>
> It often happens that you need to take notes during a phone call but you
> are not in a position to do that. For instance during driving. I was
> thinking about such situations when a call recorder could come handy.
>

I wonder if you could start Voice Memo recording and then place the call on
speaker mode. Try that and see how it works.

Am 25.01.24 um 19:49 schrieb Cameo:
> On 1/25/2024 6:38 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 25.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Peter:
>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>>>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>>>
>>>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.
>>>
>>> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?
>>
>> None. I respect the privacy of my callers.
>>
> It often happens that you need to take notes during a phone call but you
> are not in a position to do that. For instance during driving. I was
> thinking about such situations when a call recorder could come handy.

Fiddling around with a call recording app while driving? Not seriously.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote
> Cameo wrote

>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.

> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it..

Its not that black and white.

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 04:38:42 +1100, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

> Am 25.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Peter:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or
>>>> a
>>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>>
>>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.
>> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?
>
> None. I respect the privacy of my callers.

But call recording isnt just for callers. Its useful when calling,
particularly when calling commercial operation to ask them
about the detail of their service or what they are selling.

Peter <confused@nospam.net> wrote
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote

>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.

>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.

> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?

Quite a few of the voip apps allow that.

badgolferman wrote:
> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> On 1/25/2024 6:38 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 25.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Peter:
>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>> While browsing, I get a lot of pop-up offers for different call
>>>>>> recording apps and I wonder if any of you are using them and how
>>>>>> satisfied are you with them. Frankly, I'm not even sure if they are
>>>>>> legal, and if they are, why Apple does not offer one such app free or a
>>>>>> low cost. I find such apps very useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Europe it is illegal except the other party explicitly agrees to it.
>>>>
>>>> If you both want to use a call recording app, which one do you use?
>>>
>>> None. I respect the privacy of my callers.
>>>
>> It often happens that you need to take notes during a phone call but you
>> are not in a position to do that. For instance during driving. I was
>> thinking about such situations when a call recorder could come handy.
>>
>
> I wonder if you could start Voice Memo recording and then place the call on
> speaker mode. Try that and see how it works.
>

Uh-oh. I think you got poor Jughead worked up on a fine point
of europe law.

Shame on you.