On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:40:52 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:02:05 -0500, Governor
>Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:38:43 -0700, Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
>>>>> <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>>>>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>>>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>>>>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>>>>
>>>>> I have doubts if this is a good idea.  I was on a United AL flight and
>>>>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>>>>> plane was crashing.  She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
>>>>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>>>>
>>>> I'd call that an edge case.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
>>
>>I'm thinking it was sarcasm.
>
>+1

Well done, btw. :)

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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 11:16:46 -0500, Governor
Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:44:07 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>>In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 04:33:19 -0500, Governor
>>Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>>>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>>>Fox ;-)
>>>
>>>Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>>>
>>>Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>>>Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>>>I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
>>
>>That would be terrible. But I don't even like it when the program is
>>just cartoons or something and the tv is on constantly even though no
>>one is watching it. It's more the lack of peace and quiet than the
>>waste of electricity, because afaik even the large screens don't use
>>much electricity.
>
>I would argue that last with you. Even the most efficient flat panels exhaust a lot of
>heat. It feels warm at the top but that's because the heat is spread out over a large
>area. A flat panel is going to emit at least as much waste heat as a 100watt light bulb.
>That adds up.

Certainly does. You've convinced me.

>Brother and sister in law are staying here while their house is being remodeled. They
>have four dogs. The have an aquarium screen saver built into their Roku box. They leave
>it on when they leave the house.

That's bad.

> They never turn out lights until bedtime.

That's bad too.

>I've shivered
>wearing a sweater because the keep the AC temp set so low.

That's worse.

Was your brother raised in the same home that you were? Is this his
wife's way of doing things.

>I find the sheer waste of it offensive.

BGE sends out letters every once in a while and except once, I'm way
lower than the average of households that don't use much. Part of that
is that I live alone, but not most of it.
>
>Swill

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:32:47 -0500, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-07 04:33, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:47:35 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bourne@rorke.za> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/5/24 10:55 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bourne@rorke.za> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>>>>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>>>>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>>>>> to you and those of your ilk?
>>>>
>>>> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>>>> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
>>
>>> Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>> evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>> Fox ;-)
>>
>> Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>>
>> Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>> Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>> I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
>
>I have a friend who can't stand not having a radio playing all day.
>News mainly.

I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.

And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.

>He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>something and I ask him to turn off the radio.

I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
not sure.

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:45:44 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 11:16:46 -0500, Governor
>Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:44:07 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 04:33:19 -0500, Governor
>>>Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>>>>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>>>>Fox ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>>>>
>>>>Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>>>>Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>>>>I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
>>>
>>>That would be terrible. But I don't even like it when the program is
>>>just cartoons or something and the tv is on constantly even though no
>>>one is watching it. It's more the lack of peace and quiet than the
>>>waste of electricity, because afaik even the large screens don't use
>>>much electricity.
>>
>>I would argue that last with you. Even the most efficient flat panels exhaust a lot of
>>heat. It feels warm at the top but that's because the heat is spread out over a large
>>area. A flat panel is going to emit at least as much waste heat as a 100watt light bulb.
>>That adds up.
>
>Certainly does. You've convinced me.
>
>>Brother and sister in law are staying here while their house is being remodeled. They
>>have four dogs. The have an aquarium screen saver built into their Roku box. They leave
>>it on when they leave the house.
>
>That's bad.
>
>> They never turn out lights until bedtime.
>
>That's bad too.
>
>>I've shivered
>>wearing a sweater because the keep the AC temp set so low.
>
>That's worse.
>
>Was your brother raised in the same home that you were? Is this his
>wife's way of doing things.
>
>>I find the sheer waste of it offensive.
>
>BGE sends out letters every once in a while and except once, I'm way
>lower than the average of households that don't use much. Part of that
>is that I live alone, but not most of it.

It's step family. I'm constantly turning off empty coffeepots and lights in empty rooms,
turning up the AC and turning down the heat. One brother uses his crew cab full sized
truck as a commuter vehicle and became unglued last week because he lent it to somebody
and they scratched the bed liner. The other brother is retired and he also drives a crew
cab full size truck. They wash dishes under running taps before loading them in the
dishwasher. Sister in law does a 4-5 loads of laundry a week for two adults and four
little yap yap dogs.

Why?

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On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>
>And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>
>>He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>
>I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>not sure.

My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.

In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.

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On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>
>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>
>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>
>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>> not sure.
>
> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>
> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.

Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.

1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).

2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.

3) M3 iMac sleep power is less than 1 watt. i7 iMac is a couple watts.

Even shutdown a computer draws power unless unplugged - though we're
talking low fractions of a watt.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>
>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>
>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>
>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>> not sure.
>>
>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>
>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>
>Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.

If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
updating. That's bad practice.

>1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
>base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).

That's no excuse to be wasteful. That renewable energy could be shared with others if you
weren't wasting it.

>2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
>zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.

What about the rest of the year?

>3) M3 iMac sleep power is less than 1 watt. i7 iMac is a couple watts.
>
>Even shutdown a computer draws power unless unplugged - though we're
>talking low fractions of a watt.

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On 2024-02-08 12:39, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>>
>>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>>
>>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>>> not sure.
>>>
>>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>>
>>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>>
>> Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
>
> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
> updating. That's bad practice.

Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
of no real consequence.

Other than the OS - updated programs rarely need the computer to be
re-booted. Haven't seen that in a long time actually.

>> 1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
>> base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).
>
> That's no excuse to be wasteful. That renewable energy could be shared with others if you
> weren't wasting it.

Demand outside the province is nowhere near the capacity of the system
other than select mornings or evenings (when we get e-mailed entreaties
from HQ to reduce demand - so we do reduce heating and get a bonus paid
to us for that reduced demand. Furnace runs at 20 kW ... that is
significant when it is left off.

Indeed the utility encourages high use of power just before the peak
demand period - so one could pre-heat the house to (say) 22°C before
06:00 and coast on that for a few hours. I don't bother - I can stand
18°C or even 17°C for a couple hours in the morning...).

summary: electricity I use in normal times is not in demand elsewhere.

If I had the right sort of fireplace (a woodstove in the basement) I'd
knock off a couple cords of wood / year - but that's relatively
expensive if you don't own a few acres of suitable hardwood to harvest from.

>> 2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
>> zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.
>
> What about the rest of the year?

Negligible. eg: 6.5 months of sleep (for a portion of the day) would
amount to a few kWh.

As an aside our utility has tools to evaluate our usage v. "peer"
households (adjusted to size, number of people, heating system,
appliances, etc. and so on). We' re consistently 20%+ lower energy
users than out peers.

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On 2024-02-08 09:39, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>>
>>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>>
>>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>>> not sure.
>>>
>>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>>
>>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>>
>> Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
>
> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
> updating. That's bad practice.

No, you're not.

Applications can update without rebooting and needing to reboot is an
entirely different reason.

Shutting down the computer for 60 days absolutely blocks anything from
being updated.

>
>> 1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
>> base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).
>
> That's no excuse to be wasteful. That renewable energy could be shared with others if you
> weren't wasting it.

1 watt? 24watt-hours a day in a home that uses easily 1000 times that
much energy?

And having a computer wake from sleep means it is more useful to me.
>
>> 2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
>> zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.
>
> What about the rest of the year?

It's minuscule. Irrelevant.

Don't be so ridiculous.

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>> updating. That's bad practice.
>
>Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>of no real consequence.

I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
the US does.

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On 2024-02-08 15:59, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>
>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>> of no real consequence.
>
> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
> the US does.

Windows for anywhere doesn't update at all...

....when the computer is shutdown.

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:06:35 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-08 15:59, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>>
>>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>>> of no real consequence.
>>
>> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
>> the US does.
>
>Windows for anywhere doesn't update at all...
>
>...when the computer is shutdown.

I see you don't know a lot about Windows either.

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On 2024-02-08 18:59, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>
>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>> of no real consequence.
>
> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
> the US does.

Windows? Don't use that.

Please correct your signature and add a space character after the two
dashes. This will tell news readers where to correctly truncate your
(excessively long) signature.

That is replace the line that has "--" with "-- " [AAA] below.

>
> Swill
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On 2024-02-09 05:16, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:06:35 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 15:59, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>>>
>>>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>>>> of no real consequence.
>>>
>>> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
>>> the US does.
>>
>> Windows for anywhere doesn't update at all...
>>
>> ...when the computer is shutdown.
>
> I see you don't know a lot about Windows either.

By all means... ...educate me:

How does your computer run updates to Windows...

....while it is shutdown?

On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>By all means... ...educate me:
>
>How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>
>...while it is shutdown?

It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.

Damn, you're dumb!

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On 2024-02-09 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>
>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>
>> ...while it is shutdown?
>
> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.

And you can be INFORMED that an update is waiting...

....in fact, ARE INFORMED unless you've taken steps to disable the
notifications...

....so you can simply restart when you are informed that there is an
update waiting.

So choosing to sleep your computer most of the time has ZERO impact on
getting your updates done.

On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 16:18:17 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-09 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>
>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>
>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>
>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>
>And you can be INFORMED that an update is waiting...
>
>...in fact, ARE INFORMED unless you've taken steps to disable the
>notifications...
>
>...so you can simply restart when you are informed that there is an
>update waiting.
>
>So choosing to sleep your computer most of the time has ZERO impact on
>getting your updates done.

<https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>

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On 2024-02-09 19:02, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>
>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>
>> ...while it is shutdown?
>
> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.

I've never seen it happen, but I recall people complaining that just as
they've setup their presentation, and people wander into the room just
on time for the 10:00, greet people, a few remarks, and then turn down
the lights a notch, ...

.... everyone gets to see the Windows machine go into a reset/re-start OS
update that can't be stopped.

Is that still an issue?

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On 2024-02-10 02:12, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 16:18:17 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-09 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>>
>>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>>
>>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>>
>>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>>
>> And you can be INFORMED that an update is waiting...
>>
>> ...in fact, ARE INFORMED unless you've taken steps to disable the
>> notifications...
>>
>> ...so you can simply restart when you are informed that there is an
>> update waiting.
>>
>> So choosing to sleep your computer most of the time has ZERO impact on
>> getting your updates done.
>
> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>

'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'

Not really a problem for me.

;-)

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:26:05 -0500, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-09 19:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>
>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>
>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>
>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>
>I've never seen it happen, but I recall people complaining that just as
>they've setup their presentation, and people wander into the room just
>on time for the 10:00, greet people, a few remarks, and then turn down
>the lights a notch, ...
>
>... everyone gets to see the Windows machine go into a reset/re-start OS
>update that can't be stopped.
>
>Is that still an issue?

last I heard the status is this: MS let you chooose a 12-hour period
each day when there won't be any updates.

that doesn't work well for me because I sleep and work odd hours.

But another guy wrote a short program t hat constantly changes the 12
hour period so I am always in the 3rd hour of it, with 9 hours to go. So
now it never restarts except when I let it.

Sometimes the computer slows down and I need to restart it. Usually I
check for windows updates before I do. I download them and let them
update during restart if that is what they need.

I go about a week between restarts, but I'm willing to go much longer
when it doesn't give me trouble, like slowness. (The other day, for the
first time ever, alt-tab didn't work! Restarting fixed that.)

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>
>'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>
>Not really a problem for me.
>
>;-)

You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
machines is users who never shut it down.

Swill
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On 2024-02-10 17:49, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>>
>> 'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>>
>> Not really a problem for me.
>>
>> ;-)
>
> You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
> experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
> machines is users who never shut it down.

You missed what I meant.

I use an OS that works better than that.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:36:56 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-10 17:49, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>>>
>>> 'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>>>
>>> Not really a problem for me.
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>
>> You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
>> experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
>> machines is users who never shut it down.
>
>You missed what I meant.
>
>I use an OS that works better than that.

Then why are you butting into a conversation about an OS you don't use?

Swill
--
"Trump has erased the assumption that credibility is a nice thing to have."
- David Brooks

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Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:31:00 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:26:05 -0500, Alan Browne
><bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-09 19:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>>
>>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>>
>>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>>
>>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>>
>>I've never seen it happen, but I recall people complaining that just as
>>they've setup their presentation, and people wander into the room just
>>on time for the 10:00, greet people, a few remarks, and then turn down
>>the lights a notch, ...
>>
>>... everyone gets to see the Windows machine go into a reset/re-start OS
>>update that can't be stopped.
>>
>>Is that still an issue?
>
>last I heard the status is this: MS let you chooose a 12-hour period
>each day when there won't be any updates.
>
>that doesn't work well for me because I sleep and work odd hours.
>
>But another guy wrote a short program t hat constantly changes the 12
>hour period so I am always in the 3rd hour of it, with 9 hours to go. So
>now it never restarts except when I let it.
>
>Sometimes the computer slows down and I need to restart it. Usually I
>check for windows updates before I do. I download them and let them
>update during restart if that is what they need.
>
>I go about a week between restarts, but I'm willing to go much longer
>when it doesn't give me trouble, like slowness. (The other day, for the
>first time ever, alt-tab didn't work! Restarting fixed that.)

When Windows tells me an update is ready and needs a restart. I drop what I'm doing and
let it update immediately. Five minute coffee break and I don't have to worry about
security patches being up to date.

Swill
--
"Trump has erased the assumption that credibility is a nice thing to have."
- David Brooks

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Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

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On 2024-02-11 05:43, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:36:56 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-10 17:49, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>>>>
>>>> 'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>>>>
>>>> Not really a problem for me.
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
>>> experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
>>> machines is users who never shut it down.
>>
>> You missed what I meant.
>>
>> I use an OS that works better than that.
>
> Then why are you butting into a conversation about an OS you don't use?

The discussion was about whether or not it was better to have your
computer sleep or shut it down...

....for energy savings:

'If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and
other programs from
updating. That's bad practice.

....

That's no excuse to be wasteful. That renewable energy could be shared
with others if you weren't wasting it.'

Do you see Windows mentioned in there?