Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.

Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.

Try asking in http://reddit.com/r/carplay since there lots of users.
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On 2024-02-27 10:22, Cameo wrote:
> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.

Use a USB cable and reduce your fuel consumption and emissions.

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On 2/27/2024 10:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 10:22, Cameo wrote:
>> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
>> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.
>
> Use a USB cable and reduce your fuel consumption and emissions.

That's what I have been using, but find it inconvenient.

On 2/27/2024 4:54 PM, Ant wrote:
> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
>> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.
>
> Try asking in http://reddit.com/r/carplay since there lots of users.

Thanks, I'll try that.

On 2024-02-27 17:31, Cameo wrote:
> On 2/27/2024 10:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-02-27 10:22, Cameo wrote:
>>> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
>>> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.
>>
>> Use a USB cable and reduce your fuel consumption and emissions.
>
> That's what I have been using, but find it inconvenient.

I find climate change inconvenient.

Today I had to run some errands. Being conscientious I 'gang' a bunch
of errands together to save fuel (and emissions). Each time I got out
of the car, brought my phone. Got back in the car, plugged in the phone.

Not very inconvenient.

One thing that helps: I bought a pretty short cable for the car. Just
enough to go from the centre console storage USB port to the position
where I have a phone holder (that is it runs forward to the phone).
This means the cable doesn't wander off far when I unplug it. This
makes it more convenient.

Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired. Multiply that
by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not need.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 17:31, Cameo wrote:
>> On 2/27/2024 10:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-27 10:22, Cameo wrote:
>>>> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
>>>> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.
>>>
>>> Use a USB cable and reduce your fuel consumption and emissions.
>>
>> That's what I have been using, but find it inconvenient.
>
> I find climate change inconvenient.
>
> Today I had to run some errands. Being conscientious I 'gang' a bunch
> of errands together to save fuel (and emissions). Each time I got out
> of the car, brought my phone. Got back in the car, plugged in the phone.
>
> Not very inconvenient.
>
> One thing that helps: I bought a pretty short cable for the car. Just
> enough to go from the centre console storage USB port to the position
> where I have a phone holder (that is it runs forward to the phone).
> This means the cable doesn't wander off far when I unplug it. This
> makes it more convenient.
>
> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired. Multiply that
> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not need.
>

< eye roll >

On 28.02.24 00:39, Alan Browne wrote:
> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired. Multiply that
> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not need.

That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
is where the potential really lies.

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On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 28.02.24 00:39, Alan Browne wrote:
>> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired. Multiply that
>> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not need.
>
> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
> is where the potential really lies.

Since the efficiency of the car cannot be controlled by the choice of a
phone charging cable, it is not in consideration for the choice of wired
v. wireless charging.

So, if charging one's phone in the car you're looking at how much energy
is delivered to the phone. Period.

If wired, there is 0 (negligible) loss from the car to the phone.

If wireless, there is about 20 - 25% loss. (Ever touch a wireless
charger pad? All that heat is loss).

Multiply by the number of phones in cars. That is emissions.

If your EV is charged with emissions producing sources (natural gas,
coal, etc.), then it's actually worse, as charging the EV and extracting
the EV's power from the battery is also a lossy prospect.

If your EV is charged from renewables (like here: near 100% hydro
power), then it's still better to avoid losses so the utility can export
that power to neighbours and offset their fossil fuel use (we export
power to the US and provinces that would otherwise use more fossil fuel).

Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
often increases emissions as a result. Should only be used where safety
or corrosion is an issue.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2/28/2024 12:39 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 17:31, Cameo wrote:
>> On 2/27/2024 10:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-27 10:22, Cameo wrote:
>>>> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
>>>> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.
>>>
>>> Use a USB cable and reduce your fuel consumption and emissions.
>>
>> That's what I have been using, but find it inconvenient.
>
> I find climate change inconvenient.
>
> Today I had to run some errands.  Being conscientious I 'gang' a bunch
> of errands together to save fuel (and emissions).  Each time I got out
> of the car, brought my phone.  Got back in the car, plugged in the phone.
>
> Not very inconvenient.
>
> One thing that helps: I bought a pretty short cable for the car.  Just
> enough to go from the centre console storage USB port to the position
> where I have a phone holder (that is it runs forward to the phone). This
> means the cable doesn't wander off far when I unplug it.  This makes it
> more convenient.
>
> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired.  Multiply that
> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not
> need.

Good for you. Your argument is not a winner with me because, you see, I
don't believe in human-caused climate change in the first place. So
that's that.

On 2024-02-28 08:53, Cameo wrote:
> I don't believe in human-caused climate change in the first place. So
> that's that.

Ignorance becomes you.

Belief = faith.

Get the science - that removes belief and faith like bleach to a stain.

Of course: "Reason is the enemy of faith."

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- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2/27/2024 4:06 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired. Multiply that
>> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not need.
>>
>
> < eye roll >

While wireless charging does indeed use slightly more power than wired
charging, on the whole, wireless charging has less impact on the climate
than wired charging. You have to look at the big picture.

See "Pros and Cons of Wireless Phone Charging" at
<https://tinyurl.com/pros-cons-wireless-charging> or
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wnJX50hca_KCQHg-D7TzDxKZg_5kf4fXEB_blwXoOE4>.

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Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>> is where the potential really lies.

> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
> often increases emissions as a result. Should only be used where safety
> or corrosion is an issue.

*ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
put my phones in the wireless charging bay.

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Am 28.02.24 um 14:53 schrieb Cameo:
> On 2/28/2024 12:39 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired.  Multiply that
>> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not
>> need.
>
> Good for you. Your argument is not a winner with me because, you see, I
> don't believe in human-caused climate change in the first place. So
> that's that.

This topic of climate-change has nothing to do with your bigot attitude.

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
>> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>>> is where the potential really lies.
>
>> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
>> often increases emissions as a result. Should only be used where safety
>> or corrosion is an issue.
>
> *ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
> put my phones in the wireless charging bay.
>

That’s what you get for investing in inconvenient and unproven technology.

On 2/28/2024 9:46 AM, badgolferman wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>> Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
>>> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>>>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>>>> is where the potential really lies.
>>
>>> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
>>> often increases emissions as a result. Should only be used where safety
>>> or corrosion is an issue.
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
>> put my phones in the wireless charging bay.
>>
>
> That’s what you get for investing in inconvenient and unproven technology.

LOL. That's why Apple just canceled their electric car program, the
wireless charging of the iPhone was draining the vehicle's battery way
too fast.

Seriously though, when you take into account all the factors of wired
versus wireless charging, the tiny amount of extra power needed to
charge them pales in comparison with all the environmental advantages.
That's why I created the document, to help people like Alan Browne learn
about the pros and cons, based on factual data. Unfortunately, too many
people look solely at the tiny amount of extra power while not
understanding the big picture.

Pros and Cons of Wireless Phone Charging
<https://tinyurl.com/pros-cons-wireless-charging> or
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wnJX50hca_KCQHg-D7TzDxKZg_5kf4fXEB_blwXoOE4>

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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2024-02-28 11:52, sms wrote:
> On 2/27/2024 4:06 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired.  Multiply that
>>> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does
>>> not need.
>>>
>>
>> < eye roll >
>
> While wireless charging does indeed use slightly more power than wired
> charging, on the whole, wireless charging has less impact on the climate
> than wired charging. You have to look at the big picture.

<snipped>

Cherry picking by SMS™. That the preceding <eye-roll> comes from bgman
troll straight man, sort of cements the denier crowd into a corner.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2024-02-28 12:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
>> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>>> is where the potential really lies.
>
>> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
>> often increases emissions as a result.  Should only be used where safety
>> or corrosion is an issue.
>
> *ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
> put my phones in the wireless charging bay.

While you being ill-informed on technical issues (ionizing radiation
from cell phones comes to mind, but there are many more), when you
wirelessly charge your phone in the car it takes more from your car's
battery than wired would; in turn needs to be replaced by your utility.
Switzerland at least has some hydro and nuclear (though not enough).

If your house (or even car) has additional solar, then you're forgiven.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2024-02-28 13:09, sms wrote:
> On 2/28/2024 9:46 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
>>>> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>>>>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%.
>>>>> That
>>>>> is where the potential really lies.
>>>
>>>> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
>>>> often increases emissions as a result.  Should only be used where
>>>> safety
>>>> or corrosion is an issue.
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
>>> put my phones in the wireless charging bay.
>>>
>>
>> That’s what you get for investing in inconvenient and unproven
>> technology.
>
> LOL. That's why Apple just canceled their electric car program

Don't give up your day job.

>
> Seriously though, when you take into account all the factors of wired
> versus wireless charging, the tiny amount of extra power needed to
> charge them pales in comparison with all the environmental advantages.
> That's why I created the document, to help people like Alan Browne

I have indeed researched the issue as well as performed experiments that
prove wireless charging wastes energy.

The "wire" in my car is over 10 years old. It has required some
maintenance (the 'sheath' has worn out in a few places - a bit of Suguru
fixed that). But it goes on and should go on. Will need an adaptor for
the nest phone because of USB-C (or a new cable if I can find a "shorty").

Other than that, your cherry picked "document" is a pile of some truths,
half truths and outright BS as has been pointed out to you various times
but like the bureaucrat you are you stumble over the truth before
picking yourself up and wandering on as if nothing happened.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2/27/2024 7:22 AM, Cameo wrote:
> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.

Seems like there are not a lot of choices that support both Android Auto
and Apple CarPlay, and they aren't inexpensive, i.e.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKMMS19S>. Not a lot of reviews on any of
the dual-support units.

It's really nice to just plop your phone onto a MagSafe charger/phone
holder in the car and then connect wirelessly to your vehicle's head unit.

OTOH, it's not that much trouble to plug in a USB-C cable to the phone
when you need the full-functionality of Android Auto or Apple CarPlay,
and if you're not using wireless charging you have to plug in a cable
anyway.

Most of the time I'm listening to music or audiobooks while driving,
it's only on long trips where I care that much about displaying maps on
the head unit's screen. The after-market head unit I have in my SUV
supports wired Android Auto and wired Apple CarPlay and I haven't bought
a wireless adapter yet.

--
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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

Am 28.02.24 um 18:46 schrieb badgolferman:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>> Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
>>> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>>>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>>>> is where the potential really lies.
>>
>>> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
>>> often increases emissions as a result. Should only be used where safety
>>> or corrosion is an issue.
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
>> put my phones in the wireless charging bay.
>>
>
> That’s what you get for investing in inconvenient and unproven technology.

*ROTFLSTC*. You seem not ot understand the sarcasm i.e. the range
doubles when I use the Iphone two way and recharge the driving battery.
Get it?

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

Am 28.02.24 um 19:45 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2024-02-28 12:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
>>> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>>>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>>>> is where the potential really lies.
>>
>>> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
>>> often increases emissions as a result.  Should only be used where safety
>>> or corrosion is an issue.
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
>> put my phones in the wireless charging bay.
>
> While you being ill-informed on technical issues

*LOL*. Give the bullshit you produce again in this thread you understand
nothing.

Electricity in Switzerland is 98% renewable. With the exception of
Norway no other industrialised country comes even close.

> If your house (or even car) has additional solar, then you're forgiven.

Chatterbox!
The world does not need solar. The world needs non-volatile and reliable
base band electricity which can be best produced CO2-free with nuclear
power plants or hydro plants.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

On 2024-02-27 15:39, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 17:31, Cameo wrote:
>> On 2/27/2024 10:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-27 10:22, Cameo wrote:
>>>> Can you guys recommend a CarPlay wireless adapter from personal
>>>> experience? Would prefer models that also work with AndroidAuto.
>>>
>>> Use a USB cable and reduce your fuel consumption and emissions.
>>
>> That's what I have been using, but find it inconvenient.
>
> I find climate change inconvenient.
>
> Today I had to run some errands.  Being conscientious I 'gang' a bunch
> of errands together to save fuel (and emissions).  Each time I got out
> of the car, brought my phone.  Got back in the car, plugged in the phone.
>
> Not very inconvenient.
>
> One thing that helps: I bought a pretty short cable for the car.  Just
> enough to go from the centre console storage USB port to the position
> where I have a phone holder (that is it runs forward to the phone). This
> means the cable doesn't wander off far when I unplug it.  This makes it
> more convenient.
>
> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired.  Multiply that
> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does not
> need.
>

I suggest you demonstrate the math of the situation.

Go ahead and assume that a billion phones are being wirelessly charged
for 12 hours a day, every day in cars.

And (for once), I'm going to go with badgolferman:

<eye roll>

On 2024-02-28 04:58, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 28.02.24 00:39, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> Wireless charging is 20 - 25% less efficient than wired.  Multiply that
>>> by a billion cars... and that's a lot of emissions the planet does
>>> not need.
>>
>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>> is where the potential really lies.
>
> Since the efficiency of the car cannot be controlled by the choice of a
> phone charging cable, it is not in consideration for the choice of wired
> v. wireless charging.
>
> So, if charging one's phone in the car you're looking at how much energy
> is delivered to the phone.  Period.
>
> If wired, there is 0 (negligible) loss from the car to the phone.
>
> If wireless, there is about 20 - 25% loss. (Ever touch a wireless
> charger pad?  All that heat is loss).
>
> Multiply by the number of phones in cars.  That is emissions.
>
> If your EV is charged with emissions producing sources (natural gas,
> coal, etc.), then it's actually worse, as charging the EV and extracting
> the EV's power from the battery is also a lossy prospect.
>
> If your EV is charged from renewables (like here: near 100% hydro
> power), then it's still better to avoid losses so the utility can export
> that power to neighbours and offset their fossil fuel use (we export
> power to the US and provinces that would otherwise use more fossil fuel).
>
> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
> often increases emissions as a result.  Should only be used where safety
> or corrosion is an issue.
>

Do...

....the...

....math.

Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 28.02.24 um 19:45 schrieb Alan Browne:
>> On 2024-02-28 12:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 28.02.24 um 13:58 schrieb Alan Browne:
>>>> On 2024-02-27 21:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> That is total bullshit and out of any proportion. Combustion engines
>>>>> have an efficiency of 30 to 40% max. Electric motors are above 90%. That
>>>>> is where the potential really lies.
>>>
>>>> Summary: wireless charging, no matter where or how, wastes energy and
>>>> often increases emissions as a result.  Should only be used where safety
>>>> or corrosion is an issue.
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*. Tell that my new electric car. The range is halfed when I
>>> put my phones in the wireless charging bay.
>>
>> While you being ill-informed on technical issues
>
> *LOL*. Give the bullshit you produce again in this thread you understand
> nothing.
>
> Electricity in Switzerland is 98% renewable. With the exception of Norway
> no other industrialised country comes even close.

Not only that Jughead, but also they don't need sewage systems, because
their shit don't stink.