On 18 Mar 2024 15:33:45 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> I said no such thing

You said this, Jolly Roger...

On 2024-03-16, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2024 22:18:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> To be successfully attacked by malware, a Mac user must interactively
>> download the malware to their computer
>
> That's dead wrong.

Nope, it's correct.
You were wrong because you know absolutely nothing about Apple products.

Zero-click zero-days abound on iOS, particularly in messages, Jolly Roger.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+zero+click+exploit>

The fact you are super confident in being wrong is no longer shocking.
Neither is the fact you never read the news about Apple products, JR.

Apple isn't ever going to advertise their astoundingly high number of
zero-click exploits, Jolly Roger. It's not gonna be in Apple ads.

Since you're an Apple religious nutcase, you don't know anything about
Apple other than what Apple marketing feeds you in glossy advertisements.

But your claim there are no zero-interaction Apple exploits is absurd.
In fact, iOS has ten times the number of exploits than Android has.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

And plenty of those are zero-click exploits, Jolly Roger.
For example:
<https://www.popsci.com/technology/zero-click-hacks-explained/>
<https://citizenlab.ca/2023/09/blastpass-nso-group-iphone-zero-click-zero-day-exploit-captured-in-the-wild/>
<https://www.darkreading.com/ics-ot-security/patch-now-apple-zero-day-exploits-bypass-kernel-security>
<https://threatpost.com/pegasus-spyware-uses-iphone-zero-click-imessage-zero-day/168899/>
<https://www.darkreading.com/ics-ot-security/patch-now-apple-zero-day-exploits-bypass-kernel-security>

Note that the two things Apple sucks at coding are Webkit and their Kernel
(where Android has NEVER had a Pegasus kernel exploit, only Apple has).

In summary, the fact you are ignorant of the fact zero-click exploits
abound on Apple products (some of which an install malware) Jolly Roger,
doesn't mean it's wrong just because you don't like that fact about Apple.

It just means you hate the truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger.
That truth is NEVER going to be told to you by Apple.

On Mar 18, 2024, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <l5r52lFm4ctU1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 2024-03-18, David Brooks<BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > On 18/03/2024 11:22, WolfFan wrote:
> > > On Mar 18, 2024, Jolly Roger wrote
> > > (in article <l5puflFges3U1@mid.individual.net>):
> > > > On 2024-03-17, David Brooks<BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > > > > On 17/03/2024 23:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FACT: All platforms have zero days.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed. Hence the need to run anti-malware software on Apple
> > > > > devices?
> > > >
> > > > Nope. Anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days.
> > >
> > > he’s been told that before. he ignores it. he’s an idiot.
> > >
> > > > And there's no such thing as antivirus software on Apple mobile
> > > > devices anyway.
> > >
> > > he’s been told that before, too. Either his one poor alcohol-addled
> > > neuron fails to recall or he just ignores it. he’s an idiot.
> >
> > See MID <l5pbvaFdsdbU1@mid.individual.net>
> >
> > Jolly Roger said .... "*ALL* platforms have zero days." Look! ^^^^^^^
>
> Again, anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days. And there's no
> such thing as antivirus apps on iOS, dumbass.

He’s so brain-damaged that he cannot read and comprehend simple sentences.
I suspect that he has no idea what a zero-day is. Remember, this is the idiot
who posted that he thought that x.x.x.x was a valid IPv4 address. He
literally has no clue. It is impossible to exaggerate just how stupid he is;
certainly my mother’s Scotty terrier is considerably smarter than he is.
Even if she has been known to chase ducks bigger than she is. Like many small
dogs, she thinks that she’s a wolf. Like many idiots, Our David thinks that
he has a clue. They’re both wrong. It’s a lot cuter when it’s a terrier
that’s wrong than when its a bald ape who, he says, was once a naval
officer.

On 18/03/2024 15:31, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-03-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 18/03/2024 11:22, WolfFan wrote:
>>> On Mar 18, 2024, Jolly Roger wrote
>>> (in article <l5puflFges3U1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>> On 2024-03-17, David Brooks<BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 17/03/2024 23:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FACT: All platforms have zero days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. Hence the need to run anti-malware software on Apple
>>>>> devices?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days.
>>>
>>> he’s been told that before. he ignores it. he’s an idiot.
>>>
>>>> And there's no such thing as antivirus software on Apple mobile
>>>> devices anyway.
>>>
>>> he’s been told that before, too. Either his one poor alcohol-addled
>>> neuron fails to recall or he just ignores it. he’s an idiot.
>>
>> See MID <l5pbvaFdsdbU1@mid.individual.net>
>>
>> Jolly Roger said .... "*ALL* platforms have zero days." Look! ^^^^^^^
>
> Again, anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days. And there's no
> such thing as antivirus apps on iOS, dumbass.

Someone else has picked-up on the same thing I asked (nicely!) YOU to
look at recently.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255038944?sortBy=newest_first&page=1

May I ask what YOUR views are with regard to this matter?

On 2024-03-18, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2024 15:33:45 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> I said no such thing
>
> You said this, Jolly Roger...
>
> On 2024-03-16, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> > On 15 Mar 2024 22:18:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >
> >> To be successfully attacked by malware, a Mac user must interactively
> >> download the malware to their computer
> >
> > That's dead wrong.
>
> Nope, it's correct.
>
> on iOS

This is about Macs. And your trolls are as weak as your intellect. Fuck
off, Arleen. 🙂

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 18/03/2024 19:11, WolfFan wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2024, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article <l5r52lFm4ctU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 2024-03-18, David Brooks<BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2024 11:22, WolfFan wrote:
>>>> On Mar 18, 2024, Jolly Roger wrote
>>>> (in article <l5puflFges3U1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>>> On 2024-03-17, David Brooks<BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/03/2024 23:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FACT: All platforms have zero days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. Hence the need to run anti-malware software on Apple
>>>>>> devices?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. Anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days.
>>>>
>>>> he’s been told that before. he ignores it. he’s an idiot.
>>>>
>>>>> And there's no such thing as antivirus software on Apple mobile
>>>>> devices anyway.
>>>>
>>>> he’s been told that before, too. Either his one poor alcohol-addled
>>>> neuron fails to recall or he just ignores it. he’s an idiot.
>>>
>>> See MID <l5pbvaFdsdbU1@mid.individual.net>
>>>
>>> Jolly Roger said .... "*ALL* platforms have zero days." Look! ^^^^^^^
>>
>> Again, anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days. And there's no
>> such thing as antivirus apps on iOS, dumbass.
>
> He’s so brain-damaged that he cannot read and comprehend simple sentences.
> I suspect that he has no idea what a zero-day is. Remember, this is the idiot
> who posted that he thought that x.x.x.x was a valid IPv4 address. He
> literally has no clue. It is impossible to exaggerate just how stupid he is;
> certainly my mother’s Scotty terrier is considerably smarter than he is.
> Even if she has been known to chase ducks bigger than she is. Like many small
> dogs, she thinks that she’s a wolf. Like many idiots, Our David thinks that
> he has a clue. They’re both wrong. It’s a lot cuter when it’s a terrier
> that’s wrong than when its a bald ape who, he says, was once a naval
> officer.

THIS item explains that an Apple computer /cannot/ be influenced by a
"zero day"!

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/secdc7c6c88e/web

There is obviously no need for anti-malware software on a modern Apple
computer.

Why then, I wonder, is this product so successful? www.clamxav.com

Do tell!

On Mar 19, 2024, David Brooks wrote
(in article<65f939fc$0$6398$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>):

> On 18/03/2024 19:11, WolfFan wrote:
> > On Mar 18, 2024, Jolly Roger wrote
> > (in article <l5r52lFm4ctU1@mid.individual.net>):
> >
> > > On 2024-03-18, David Brooks<BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > > > On 18/03/2024 11:22, WolfFan wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 18, 2024, Jolly Roger wrote
> > > > > (in article <l5puflFges3U1@mid.individual.net>):
> > > > > > On 2024-03-17, David Brooks<BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 17/03/2024 23:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > FACT: All platforms have zero days.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Agreed. Hence the need to run anti-malware software on Apple
> > > > > > > devices?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope. Anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days.
> > > > >
> > > > > he’s been told that before. he ignores it. he’s an idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And there's no such thing as antivirus software on Apple mobile
> > > > > > devices anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > he’s been told that before, too. Either his one poor alcohol-addled
> > > > > neuron fails to recall or he just ignores it. he’s an idiot.
> > > >
> > > > See MID <l5pbvaFdsdbU1@mid.individual.net>
> > > >
> > > > Jolly Roger said .... "*ALL* platforms have zero days." Look! ^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > Again, anti-malware doesn't protect against zero days. And there's no
> > > such thing as antivirus apps on iOS, dumbass.
> >
> > He’s so brain-damaged that he cannot read and comprehend simple sentences.
> > I suspect that he has no idea what a zero-day is. Remember, this is the
> > idiot
> > who posted that he thought that x.x.x.x was a valid IPv4 address. He
> > literally has no clue. It is impossible to exaggerate just how stupid he is;
> > certainly my mother’s Scotty terrier is considerably smarter than he is.
> > Even if she has been known to chase ducks bigger than she is. Like many
> > small
> > dogs, she thinks that she’s a wolf. Like many idiots, Our David thinks
> > that
> > he has a clue. They’re both wrong. It’s a lot cuter when it’s a
> > terrier
> > that’s wrong than when its a bald ape who, he says, was once a naval
> > officer.
>
> THIS item explains that an Apple computer /cannot/ be influenced by a
> "zero day"!
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/secdc7c6c88e/web
>
> There is obviously no need for anti-malware software on a modern Apple
> computer.
>
> Why then, I wonder, is this product so successful? www.clamxav.com
>
> Do tell!

you’re an idiot. the article in question does not say anything whatsoever
about zero-days (if you think that I’m wrong, supply a quote) and a
zero-day is, by definition, something new and unexpected. It is perfectly
possible to block known attacks. it is impossible to block unknown attacks,
as YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHERE THE ATTACK IS COMING FROM OR HOW IT WILL BE
MADE, BECAUSE THE ATTACK IS *NEW* AND *FROM AN UNEXPECTED SOURCE*.

You are incapable of reading for comprehension.

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:18:07 -0400, WolfFan wrote:
> a zero-day is, by definition, something new and unexpected.

That's not entirely correct, where the nuance is where it matters.

Why do you think iOS is the most exploited smartphone OS in history?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Given Apple has more zero-days in iOS by many times over than Android,
the real distinction of what a zero day is for such an Apple newsgroup,
is that *it's only Apple who is unaware of its zero-day bugs*.

Everyone who is writing malware knows about these zero-days before Apple,
and, the proof is all of them are _reported_ to Apple (who was clueless).

Apple's QA by all accounts is atrocious. So bad, the same zero-day bugs
shows up in subsequent releases, even after Apple fixed them once.

That's how terrible Apple's QA is (even Federighi complained about QA).

Apple has had so many zero-day bugs in the kernel and webkit that I stopped
counting, but the point is that they sell these things on the black market.

What a zero-day is, in this context, is a bug that is known to everyone
(who is writing malware) but which is not yet known to Apple.

> It is perfectly
> possible to block known attacks.

And yet Apple's QA is so non existent that multiple times they had to fix
the same zero-day bug in subsequent releases, because they made it again!

> it is impossible to block unknown attacks,

What? Are you nuts?
You block against what can happen.

Such as buffer overflows (which are the root of a bulk of the attacks).

What you're really saying is Apple spends all their money on advertising
that they tested the system instead of actually testing the system.

It's why only one company in all of high tech has the lowest R&D spend in
the world - adn that's Apple. Steve Jobs had to defend it then and it's
still the case now that Apple spends 10 times more on advertising than R&D.

> as YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHERE THE ATTACK IS COMING FROM OR HOW IT WILL BE
> MADE, BECAUSE THE ATTACK IS *NEW* AND *FROM AN UNEXPECTED SOURCE*.

WTF? Are you nuts?

Google reported that Apple hasn't ever tested, nor even exercised about 10%
of teh code in iOS that Google analyzed for the Project Zero effort.

Google counted something like a dozen cases (which they responsibly
reported to Apple) where the code was so bad, it was essentially a bug in
and of itself.

Since Apple never tests their iOS code sufficiently, it's clear that Apple
could spend some of that money they spent in advertising a silly yellow
iPhone instead on some QA in the R&D run by Craig Federighi.

Don't you remember the leaked email from Federighi telling QA to start
testing? Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested any of its code for bugs.

Apple advertises white papers instead saying it's impossible to have them.

> You are incapable of reading for comprehension.

You have no idea that Apple's basic strategy is to spend money on marketing
instead of on R&D which is one of the reasons why iOS is, by far, the most
exploited smartphone operating system in the history of smartphones.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Apple never finds its zero-day bugs... hackers find them for Apple.