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* [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailAndrzej Adam Filip
+- [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identifyGrant Taylor
+* [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailThe Doctor
|`- [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailAndrzej Adam Filip
+- [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailAndreas Kohlbach
`* [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailJohn Levine
 `* [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailAdam H. Kerman
  `* [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailJohn Levine
   `* [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailAdam H. Kerman
    `- [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk emailThe Doctor

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From: anfi@onet.eu (Andrzej Adam Filip)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk email
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 by: Andrzej Adam Filip - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:31 UTC

https://www.dailynews.com/2023/11/21/california-requires-6000-hours-of-training-to-identify-junk-email/
> California requires 6,000 hours of training to identify junk email
> By Dylan Moore
> PUBLISHED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m. | UPDATED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m.
>
> How many hours of training does it take to determine whether an email
> belongs in your junk folder? For most people, the answer is probably
> “zero.” But the California Bureau of Security and Investigative
> Services says you need 6,000 hours of experience before you can
> identify spam *for a living* . […]

How much should you be paid after required 6_000 hours of training? :-)

--
A. Filip

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From: gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify
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 by: Grant Taylor - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:37 UTC

On 11/22/23 01:31, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
> How much should you be paid after required 6_000 hours of training? :-)

How much are doctors / lawyers / etc. paid after multiple years earning
degrees in their field?

There is a big difference in doing something professionally with
certification vs doing for yourself.

You probably aren't going to sue yourself. Professionals may very well
be sued by senders and / or recipients.

Grant. . . .

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From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk email
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:50:09 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: The Doctor - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:50 UTC

In article <anfi+ver464gi3f-nbm3@wp.eu>,
Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
>https://www.dailynews.com/2023/11/21/california-requires-6000-hours-of-training-to-identify-junk-email/
>> California requires 6,000 hours of training to identify junk email
>> By Dylan Moore
>> PUBLISHED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m. | UPDATED: November 21,
>2023 at 11:00 a.m.
>>
>> How many hours of training does it take to determine whether an email
>> belongs in your junk folder? For most people, the answer is probably
>> “zero.” But the California Bureau of Security and Investigative
>> Services says you need 6,000 hours of experience before you can
>> identify spam *for a living* . […]
>
>How much should you be paid after required 6_000 hours of training? :-)
>

Where did this junk originate from
?

>--
>A. Filip

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:29 UTC

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:31:35 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
>
> https://www.dailynews.com/2023/11/21/california-requires-6000-hours-of-training-to-identify-junk-email/
>> California requires 6,000 hours of training to identify junk email
>> By Dylan Moore
>> PUBLISHED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m. | UPDATED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m.
>>
>> How many hours of training does it take to determine whether an email
>> belongs in your junk folder? For most people, the answer is probably
>> “zero.” But the California Bureau of Security and Investigative
>> Services says you need 6,000 hours of experience before you can
>> identify spam *for a living* . […]
>
> How much should you be paid after required 6_000 hours of training? :-)

I am trained with 245952 [1] hours. Suppose I am overqualified? What'd
they pay me?

[1] Have internet since 1995, 28 years ago, and spam from the first day I
recognised.
--
Andreas

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 by: Andrzej Adam Filip - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:16 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <anfi+ver464gi3f-nbm3@wp.eu>,
> Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
>>https://www.dailynews.com/2023/11/21/california-requires-6000-hours-of-training-to-identify-junk-email/
>>> California requires 6,000 hours of training to identify junk email
>>> By Dylan Moore
>>> PUBLISHED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m. | UPDATED: November 21,
>>2023 at 11:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> How many hours of training does it take to determine whether an
>>> email belongs in your junk folder? For most people, the answer is
>>> probably “zero.â€. But the California Bureau of Security and
>>> Investigative Services says you need 6,000 hours of experience
>>> before you can identify spam *for a living*.
>>
>>How much should you be paid after required 6_000 hours of training? :-)
>>
>
> Where did this junk originate from
> ?

Google alerts had included it om my "spam" related news (not usenet) alerts.

--
A. Filip

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From: johnl@taugh.com (John Levine)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: [Media] California requires 6_000 hours of training to identify junk email
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 by: John Levine - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:53 UTC

According to Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu>:
>https://www.dailynews.com/2023/11/21/california-requires-6000-hours-of-training-to-identify-junk-email/
>> California requires 6,000 hours of training to identify junk email
>> By Dylan Moore
>> PUBLISHED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m. | UPDATED: November 21, 2023 at 11:00 a.m.
>>
>> How many hours of training does it take to determine whether an email
>> belongs in your junk folder? For most people, the answer is probably
>> “zero.” But the California Bureau of Security and Investigative
>> Services says you need 6,000 hours of experience before you can
>> identify spam *for a living* . […]

I really wish that people would read the article rather than guess (wrong) about what it says.

tl:dr The guy does spam sorting to prepare for anti-spam lawsuits, and
the state of California told him that makes him a private investigator
which needs a license and all that training. The PI training is not
absurd for an actual PI who does stakeouts or arson investigation but
is silly here.

The "article" is actually a lightly reworked press release from the
Institute for Justice, a libertarian think tank whose lawyers are
helping him sue the state.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:12 UTC

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>I really wish that people would read the article rather than guess
>(wrong) about what it says.

>tl:dr The guy does spam sorting to prepare for anti-spam lawsuits, and
>the state of California told him that makes him a private investigator
>which needs a license and all that training. The PI training is not
>absurd for an actual PI who does stakeouts or arson investigation but
>is silly here.

>The "article" is actually a lightly reworked press release from the
>Institute for Justice, a libertarian think tank whose lawyers are
>helping him sue the state.

They are a civil rights law firm taking on cases protecting individual
liberty from government excess in instances in which the legal fees
would otherwise exceed the judgment and a private lawsuit is
unaffordable. They are actually very well thought of. They can afford to
accept very few plaintiffs, however.

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 by: John Levine - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:13 UTC

According to Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>tl:dr The guy does spam sorting to prepare for anti-spam lawsuits, and
>>the state of California told him that makes him a private investigator
>>which needs a license and all that training. The PI training is not
>>absurd for an actual PI who does stakeouts or arson investigation but
>>is silly here.
>
>>The "article" is actually a lightly reworked press release from the
>>Institute for Justice, a libertarian think tank whose lawyers are
>>helping him sue the state.
>
>They are a civil rights law firm taking on cases protecting individual
>liberty from government excess in instances in which the legal fees
>would otherwise exceed the judgment and a private lawsuit is
>unaffordable. They are actually very well thought of. They can afford to
>accept very few plaintiffs, however.

IJ does a lot more than litigation; see their web site at ij.org and
their various podcasts like Short Circuit.

I find that about 2/3 of the time I agree with what they want, the
other 1/3 is libertarian silliness.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 21:34 UTC

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>According to Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

>>>tl:dr The guy does spam sorting to prepare for anti-spam lawsuits, and
>>>the state of California told him that makes him a private investigator
>>>which needs a license and all that training. The PI training is not
>>>absurd for an actual PI who does stakeouts or arson investigation but
>>>is silly here.

>>>The "article" is actually a lightly reworked press release from the
>>>Institute for Justice, a libertarian think tank whose lawyers are
>>>helping him sue the state.

>>They are a civil rights law firm taking on cases protecting individual
>>liberty from government excess in instances in which the legal fees
>>would otherwise exceed the judgment and a private lawsuit is
>>unaffordable. They are actually very well thought of. They can afford to
>>accept very few plaintiffs, however.

>IJ does a lot more than litigation; see their web site at ij.org and
>their various podcasts like Short Circuit.

>I find that about 2/3 of the time I agree with what they want, the
>other 1/3 is libertarian silliness.

You want 7 noisy simultaneous arguments? Put two libertarians in the same
room.

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 23:57 UTC

In article <ujoghq$203t9$1@dont-email.me>,
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>According to Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>
>>>>tl:dr The guy does spam sorting to prepare for anti-spam lawsuits, and
>>>>the state of California told him that makes him a private investigator
>>>>which needs a license and all that training. The PI training is not
>>>>absurd for an actual PI who does stakeouts or arson investigation but
>>>>is silly here.
>
>>>>The "article" is actually a lightly reworked press release from the
>>>>Institute for Justice, a libertarian think tank whose lawyers are
>>>>helping him sue the state.
>
>>>They are a civil rights law firm taking on cases protecting individual
>>>liberty from government excess in instances in which the legal fees
>>>would otherwise exceed the judgment and a private lawsuit is
>>>unaffordable. They are actually very well thought of. They can afford to
>>>accept very few plaintiffs, however.
>
>>IJ does a lot more than litigation; see their web site at ij.org and
>>their various podcasts like Short Circuit.
>
>>I find that about 2/3 of the time I agree with what they want, the
>>other 1/3 is libertarian silliness.
>
>You want 7 noisy simultaneous arguments? Put two libertarians in the same
>room.

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