On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 23:04:53 -0000, David Brooks <David.is@home.now> wrote:

> On 08/01/2023 21:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 21:01:50 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 09:58:22 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>>>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl:
>>>>
>>>> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 20:50:41 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>>>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:15:20 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal
>>>> keys? I'
>>>> >> >> >> am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the
>>>> >> >> >> plastic ones and chews them.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Useless. Parrot beaks are strong enough for mangling metal
>>>> keys too.
>>>> >> >> > You need a keyboard cage,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Parrots do not bend metal surely? They can undo nuts (but not
>>>> nylock
>>>> >> >> ones) but I've never known them bend metal. It's an African Grey.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I see big ones quoted at 400 psi, stronger then a Rottweiler,
>>>> >> > and three times stronger than a human bite. (about 35 bar, 3.5MPa)
>>>> >> > Strong enough to crack macadamia nuts or to bite off a finger.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I guess you mean a scarlet (or greenwing, or blue and gold) macaw
>>>> (or a
>>>> >> cockatoo)?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Do you know what an African grey is quoted at? All I can find is
>>>> the most
>>>> >> powerful one, a Moluccan Cockatoo, with 500 PSI.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I guess rotating a nylock nut requires a different direction of
>>>> strength
>>>> >> then biting through something. That will be the neck muscle, not
>>>> the beak
>>>> >> muscle.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Guess your best bet is to cover your keyboard while away,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I simply move it off the desk to a small table in the corner which
>>>> for
>>>> >> some reason he never goes to. It's where I put anything I don't want
>>>> >> attacked, like the mail.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The problem arises when I forget or stupidly think I'm only
>>>> leaving the
>>>> >> room for 2 minutes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Just putting it upside down should do it, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Just as easy to move it 3 feet to my left onto the table they for some
>>>> reason never go to in the corner.
>>>>
>>>> > It should be possible to condition yourself into that routine.
>>>>
>>>> Are you superhuman? Most people forget something 1 in 10 times. 1
>>>> in 10
>>>> is enough for him to notice.
>>>>
>>>> > BTW, you can buy cheap replacement keys for many older Macs.
>>>> > I even found a set for my 12 years old 17" MacBook Pro,
>>>> > to replace a key that kept falling off,
>>>>
>>>> I buy £3 keyboards. I doubt I can get keys that cheap. It would be
>>>> nice
>>>> to just buy the ones in the bottom right corner he goes for, but even
>>>> then
>>>> I think the cost of a handful of keys would equal the whole keyboard.
>>>
>>> My supplier also offered single keys. (and butterfly mechanisms)
>>> IIRC the postage was more than the key.
>>
>> I guess if I could find a supplier of keys who would sell me 50 keys all
>> of the same 5 types (the bottom right ones he eats) and post them all
>> together, it could be economical. But those suppliers are no doubt
>> simply taking apart whole or damaged keyboards and won't have loads of
>> one key. Also I'd have to get those 5 keys for less then £3. Also that
>> would only work if I had a decent keyboard people consider worth selling
>> replacement keys for.
>
> Just a thought! have you thought to try an Apple majic keyboard - the
> keys are very 'flat' and, maybe, not quite as tempting as the old
> fashioned type which you are probably using. Here's one I found for
> you:-
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1950143905?iid=334694805346

Oh come on.... an extended version of that, with the numeric keypad, costs £70 new! For that I'd expect the monitor! Still I can get one for £20 used, and broken ones (fucked inside but all the keys there to use as spares) for £8. I shall do that if this Hama one is eaten often. These are £12 new and not as common so no spares available.

On 1/8/2023 9:57 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 01:57:22 -0000, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>> and chews them.
>> Not metal keys :
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&newwindow=1&client=firefox-b-1-d&biw=1088&bih=765&ei=k3O7Y7SeHZ6p5NoP4eKzmAQ&ved=0ahUKEwj0s7TCsLn8AhWeFFkFHWHxDEMQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABMg0IIRAWEB4QDxDxBBAdOgoIABBHENYEELADOgcIIRCgARAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUIEmWOBXYMNbaAZwAXgAgAFwiAHaAZIBAzAuMpgBAKABAqABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp>
>
> Tried one before.  Horrid to type on and they love chewing it too.  I'm
> going to try the flat keyed keyboard David suggested, which hopefully
> they can't pick the keys off.
Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room to type but
covering direct key top access.

Zaidy036:

> Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room
> to type but covering direct key top access.

It is still a doubtful pleasure even for touch-typers.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 15:01:18 -0000, wrote:

> Zaidy036:
>
>> Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room
>> to type but covering direct key top access.
>
> It is still a doubtful pleasure even for touch-typers.

Indeed, like sex with a condom.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 14:55:22 -0000, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

> On 1/8/2023 9:57 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 01:57:22 -0000, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>> and chews them.
>>> Not metal keys :
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&newwindow=1&client=firefox-b-1-d&biw=1088&bih=765&ei=k3O7Y7SeHZ6p5NoP4eKzmAQ&ved=0ahUKEwj0s7TCsLn8AhWeFFkFHWHxDEMQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABMg0IIRAWEB4QDxDxBBAdOgoIABBHENYEELADOgcIIRCgARAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUIEmWOBXYMNbaAZwAXgAgAFwiAHaAZIBAzAuMpgBAKABAqABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp>
>>
>> Tried one before. Horrid to type on and they love chewing it too. I'm
>> going to try the flat keyed keyboard David suggested, which hopefully
>> they can't pick the keys off.
> Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room to type but
> covering direct key top access.

I semi touch type. I can type with 90% accuracy without looking, so I usually look. I move my fingers around and use two per hand, plus a thumb for space.

I guess I could make a glass cover over it. But having to slide my hands under it would be a pest, and while typing I lift my hands to about 3 inches above the keys, meaning he could stick his head in there.

Commander Kinsey:

> Indeed, like sex with a condom.

"Sex with a condom is like taking a shower with clothes on."
(from "Close to Eden" aka "Urga")

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 16:26:06 -0000, wrote:

> Commander Kinsey:
>
>> Indeed, like sex with a condom.
>
> "Sex with a condom is like taking a shower with clothes on."
> (from "Close to Eden" aka "Urga")

Or swimming with clothes on, which some strange people do.
Or sleeping with clothes on, which some strange people do.
Or scuba diving with a giant condom on, which some strange people do.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:01:45 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

> Note: My limit for cross-posters is 3 newsgroups. You cross-posted to
> 4, so I pared the Newsgroups.
>
> Was:
> alt.comp.os.windows-10
> alt.comp.os.windows-11
> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
> uk.comp.sys.mac
>Pared to:
> alt.comp.os.windows-10
> alt.comp.os.windows-11
> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
>Actually the OS is irrelevant, so I could've pared down to just:
>
> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt

You have either too much time on your hands or a medical condition.

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
>> ones and chews them.
>
> When you are at the keyboard, you are using it, not the parrot. Only
> need to keep the keyboard protected when you are away, or you could cage
> the bird. Some solutions:

I can move it while I'm not here. The problem is when I forget. He can destroy a few keys if I'm out of the room for 1 minute.

> - Get a hard plastic guard to lay atop the keyboard.
> - Get some plexy at the hardware store, use a heat gunto bend one edge
> on which you use self-stick velcro to affix to the keyboard.
> - There are keyboard trays (to elevate the keyboard if you place atop)
> into which you can slide the keyboard for storage.
> - There are keyboard drawers that slide under the desk.
> - There are monitor/laptop stands under which you could slide the
> keyboard making it unreachable to the parrot.
> - Lay a blanket atop or around the keyboard.
> - Flip the keyboard upside down.
> - Put the bird in the cage, and clean up the poop before you leave.
>
> Warn your friends before they come over that you let your birds "go"
> everywhere in your residence.

I have a beware of the parrot sign on my front door for a laugh.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 18:58:28 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword <invalid.invalid@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 05/01/2023 06:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>> and chews them.
> Have heard of super-glue? You can use it to glue all the keys of your
> keyboard to keep them safe from roaming parrot in your house.
>
> https://docs.rs-online.com/376b/0900766b8002c4ea.pdf

How would that help? And stop using my old sock.

Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.

Try asking in http://reddit.com/r/keyboards.
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 08:39:58 -0000, Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:

> In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>
> Try asking in http://reddit.com/r/keyboards.

You gotta be kidding me. It's impossible to post anything in Reddit. The autocancelbot deletes it if you so much as put a comma out of place.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.

If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
vastness of the internet...

Note: My limit for cross-posters is 3 newsgroups. You cross-posted to
4, so I pared the Newsgroups.

Was:
alt.comp.os.windows-10
alt.comp.os.windows-11
alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
uk.comp.sys.mac

Pared to:
alt.comp.os.windows-10
alt.comp.os.windows-11
alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt

Actually the OS is irrelevant, so I could've pared down to just:

alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
> ones and chews them.

When you are at the keyboard, you are using it, not the parrot. Only
need to keep the keyboard protected when you are away, or you could cage
the bird. Some solutions:

- Get a hard plastic guard to lay atop the keyboard.
- Get some plexy at the hardware store, use a heat gunto bend one edge
on which you use self-stick velcro to affix to the keyboard.
- There are keyboard trays (to elevate the keyboard if you place atop)
into which you can slide the keyboard for storage.
- There are keyboard drawers that slide under the desk.
- There are monitor/laptop stands under which you could slide the
keyboard making it unreachable to the parrot.
- Lay a blanket atop or around the keyboard.
- Flip the keyboard upside down.
- Put the bird in the cage, and clean up the poop before you leave.

Warn your friends before they come over that you let your birds "go"
everywhere in your residence.

On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
> and chews them.

Buy yourself a new keyboard and give him your old one? That way he can
browse on his own. : )

On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.

The parrot is optional with this one.

You might have to sell your parrot, to afford it. Stainless.

https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/shop/keyboards/metal-keyboards/industrial-metal-kiosk-full-size-trackball-keyboard-with-backside-mounting-dkm-ft-1002-front/

https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/KBM-DKM-FT-1002-FRONT_021.jpg

The problem with a lot of keyboards, is how long the legends last.
Those are not double-shot, because they're stainless. My current keyboard
is not double-shot, and on the A,S,E the legend is fading.

Paul

On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>
> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
> vastness of the internet...

chatgpg? :-)

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On 2023-01-05 11:02, Bill wrote:
> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>> and chews them.
>
> Buy yourself a new keyboard and give him your old one? That way he can
> browse on his own. : )

Maybe the bird hates the noise of the keyboard or the attention given to
it, and that's his way of complaining :-D

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On 1/5/2023 5:02 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>
> Buy yourself a new keyboard and give him your old one? That way he can browse on his own. : )

I would think, a pallet of keyboards is in order.

Or let it loose in a lumber yard.

https://www.parrots.org/lp/parrot-chew/

It's just another animal that needs to
wear down growing body parts.

Paul

In article <op.1yabegbwmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey wrote...
>
> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.

You might get some advice if you post in alt.rec.guns...

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On 05/01/2023 13:56, Paul wrote:
> On 1/5/2023 5:02 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
>>> ones and chews them.
>>
>> Buy yourself a new keyboard and give him your old one? That way he can
>> browse on his own. : )
>
> I would think, a pallet of keyboards is in order.
>
> Or let it loose in a lumber yard.
>
>    https://www.parrots.org/lp/parrot-chew/
>
> It's just another animal that needs to
> wear down growing body parts.

Agreed!

A fun article. Commander Kinsey could, I'm sure, have written it himself!

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:15:20 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?
>> I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
>> ones and chews them.
>
> Useless. Parrot beaks are strong enough for mangling metal keys too.
> You need a keyboard cage,

Parrots do not bend metal surely? They can undo nuts (but not nylock ones) but I've never known them bend metal. It's an African Grey.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:39:05 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>
> The parrot is optional with this one.
>
> You might have to sell your parrot, to afford it. Stainless.

I could buy 4 or 5 of those with this parrot. They're endangered, shot up in price.

> https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/shop/keyboards/metal-keyboards/industrial-metal-kiosk-full-size-trackball-keyboard-with-backside-mounting-dkm-ft-1002-front/
>
> https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/KBM-DKM-FT-1002-FRONT_021.jpg
>
> The problem with a lot of keyboards, is how long the legends last.
> Those are not double-shot, because they're stainless. My current keyboard
> is not double-shot, and on the A,S,E the legend is fading.

What is double shot?

The legends fail on my £3 keyboard, but by that time the key has usually been removed. At the moment I'm buying loads of the same model and swapping keys. Trouble is he goes for the bottom right, the larger keys on the numeric keypad, which have a different fitting to the rest, so I run out quickly. If I move the keyboard to a "hidden" place as I leave the desk, he doesn't go for it, but my memory is like a sieve and it onl takes 2 minutes for him to realise it's there to play with.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>>
>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
>> vastness of the internet...
>
> chatgpg? :-)

I have already googled it.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 14:06:23 -0000, Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@slashdevnull.invalid> wrote:

> In article <op.1yabegbwmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey wrote...
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>
> You might get some advice if you post in alt.rec.guns...

It's a £1700 bird and I'm trying to breed them. Even if I was a homicidal maniac, that would not be lucrative.