nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

>> If you do it at home, how do you unlock Apple's battery lock code
>
> not needed, other than displaying battery health, which is not a
> critical function (and most people don't even know it exists).

Since you're ignorant of this battery lock - you expect others to be too.
*Apple is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Independent Repair*
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez3f1HgOa1o>

Hence it's interesting how you excuse Apple's battery lock by saying it
will always be there in your face - but you yourself can't even see it.
*Apple is at it again with more anti-consumer behavior*
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-locking-down-iphone-batteries/>

Everyone on the planet knows about this battery lock nospam - except you.
*Apple Software Locking iPhone Batteries to Prevent Replacement*
<https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/296387-apple-has-begun-software-locking-iphone-batteries-to-prevent-third-party-replacement>
Apple in yet another attempt to prevent owners from replacing their
own batteries is now locking its iPhone batteries. Third-party
replacements will not report their battery health properly,
even if you use an official Apple iPhone battery."

>> (without purchasing expensive specialized equipment to unlock it)?
>
> apple provides that *for* *free* for those who want to do it on their
> own.

You can lie all you want to the Apple newsgroup posters, but the Android
owners can read the articles above which prove that you are lying.

But let's give you a chance to prove that you're not lying again, nospam.
Given the software lock happens whether or not it's an Apple battery...

Show us a reference that you can buy any battery you want to buy (which
should cost you all of twenty bucks or so), and Apple will register it?

Even if you buy (the expensive but crappy) Apple batteries, show us where
if you replace it yourself, that Apple will unlock the lock code for you.

On 2023-07-29 18:19, Wally J wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>
>>> If you do it at home, how do you unlock Apple's battery lock code
>>
>> not needed, other than displaying battery health, which is not a
>> critical function (and most people don't even know it exists).
>
> Since you're ignorant of this battery lock - you expect others to be too.
> *Apple is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Independent Repair*
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez3f1HgOa1o>

They are displaying a warning and not showing the battery health of the
replacement battery ... unless ...

.... one follows a straightforward workaround - but it requires fine
soldering skills and a chip programmer.

(Moving a part from the old battery to the new battery).

This unfortunately removes the replacement from the realm of the
ordinary fixer (like me) to more skilled shops - like the one I like
that is a few km from here (also do Apple Watch batteries now too...).

Apple are idiots in this regard - thankfully there are smart people
other there getting around Apple's silly repair obstructions.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>> Since you're ignorant of this battery lock - you expect others to be too.
>> *Apple is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Independent Repair*
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez3f1HgOa1o>
>
> They are displaying a warning and not showing the battery health of the
> replacement battery ... unless ...
>
> ... one follows a straightforward workaround - but it requires fine
> soldering skills and a chip programmer.
>
> (Moving a part from the old battery to the new battery).
>
> This unfortunately removes the replacement from the realm of the
> ordinary fixer (like me) to more skilled shops - like the one I like
> that is a few km from here (also do Apple Watch batteries now too...).
>
> Apple are idiots in this regard - thankfully there are smart people
> other there getting around Apple's silly repair obstructions.

Does this battery lock only happen when you use non-Apple batteries?

On 2023-07-30 10:06, Mickey D wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>>> Since you're ignorant of this battery lock - you expect others to be too.
>>> *Apple is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Independent Repair*
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez3f1HgOa1o>
>>
>> They are displaying a warning and not showing the battery health of the
>> replacement battery ... unless ...
>>
>> ... one follows a straightforward workaround - but it requires fine
>> soldering skills and a chip programmer.
>>
>> (Moving a part from the old battery to the new battery).
>>
>> This unfortunately removes the replacement from the realm of the
>> ordinary fixer (like me) to more skilled shops - like the one I like
>> that is a few km from here (also do Apple Watch batteries now too...).
>>
>> Apple are idiots in this regard - thankfully there are smart people
>> other there getting around Apple's silly repair obstructions.
>
> Does this battery lock only happen when you use non-Apple batteries?

Apple batteries too. Apple are dicks in this regard.

Why you should urge your politicians to support right-to-repair on
everything w/o exception.

(Well, don't let people repair their home nuclear reactors, that's
different).

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

In article <ua5qo7$duk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Mickey D
<mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:

>
> Does this battery lock only happen when you use non-Apple batteries?

*any* battery can be used without issue, without any locking or
unlocking needed.

displaying battery health is the *only* function that requires the
battery to be authenticated (incorrectly called locked) so that the
reported data from the battery is known to be accurate.

displaying incorrect data is of no benefit to anyone. many batteries
report false data so that they appear to be better than they actually
are.

if battery health data reporting is of no interest, that step can be
skipped. everything else will work as expected.

On 2023-07-30 13:28, nospam wrote:
> In article <ua5qo7$duk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Mickey D
> <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Does this battery lock only happen when you use non-Apple batteries?
>
> *any* battery can be used without issue, without any locking or
> unlocking needed.
>
> displaying battery health is the *only* function that requires the
> battery to be authenticated (incorrectly called locked) so that the
> reported data from the battery is known to be accurate.
>
> displaying incorrect data is of no benefit to anyone. many batteries
> report false data so that they appear to be better than they actually
> are.

The device that does the stats on the battery is a common part that is
installed by Apple - it is not part of the battery itself.

When installing a new battery (whether Apple or 3rd party) you can take
the original metering device and solder it to the new battery. Alas
this is not an easy thing and from what I've seen requires a chip
programming tool (non-Apple) to set it up on the new battery.

But, once it's set up, will work fine, no silly ass warning from iOS.

And there are plenty of very good battery sources out there.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

>> Does this battery lock only happen when you use non-Apple batteries?
>
> *any* battery can be used without issue, without any locking or
> unlocking needed.
>
> displaying battery health is the *only* function that requires the
> battery to be authenticated (incorrectly called locked) so that the
> reported data from the battery is known to be accurate.
>
> displaying incorrect data is of no benefit to anyone. many batteries
> report false data so that they appear to be better than they actually
> are.
>
> if battery health data reporting is of no interest, that step can be
> skipped. everything else will work as expected.

You try to make up a preposterous excuse for every thing bad Apple does.
When there is only one simple reason Apple locks batteries to the iPhone.

*Apple is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Consumer Repairs*
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/08/apple-locking-iphone-batteries-third-party/

"The teardown group has discovered that an iPhone XS, *iPhone* XR, or
*iPhone* XS Max that has had its battery swapped by anyone other than Apple
or an Apple authorized service provider will now display a message saying
their battery needs servicing."

"The "Service" message is normally an indication that the battery is
degraded and needs to be replaced. The message still shows up when you put
in a brand new battery, however. Here's the bigger problem: our lab tests
confirmed that even when you swap in a genuine Apple battery, the phone
will still display the "Service" message."

On 2023-07-30 17:05, Wally J wrote:

> "The teardown group has discovered that an iPhone XS, *iPhone* XR, or
> *iPhone* XS Max that has had its battery swapped by anyone other than Apple
> or an Apple authorized service provider will now display a message saying
> their battery needs servicing."

As I previously posted, this is overcome by taking the monitor circuit
(incl. a little chip) from the old battery and adding it to the new
battery. This, alas, is beyond the skills of ordinary DIYers and also
requires a chip programmer (not from Apple).

Sucks, but can be overcome by competent 3rd party phone techs quite easily.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

In article <zVBxM.24790$KIcf.471@fx07.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> As I previously posted, this is overcome by taking the monitor circuit
> (incl. a little chip) from the old battery and adding it to the new
> battery.

except that it's calibrated for the old battery.

On 2023-07-30 20:03, nospam wrote:
> In article <zVBxM.24790$KIcf.471@fx07.iad>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> As I previously posted, this is overcome by taking the monitor circuit
>> (incl. a little chip) from the old battery and adding it to the new
>> battery.
>
> except that it's calibrated for the old battery.

Why you need the programming device when mating it to the new battery.
(reset, set parameters to the 'virgin' state).

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase