I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
two machines?

I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.

TIA for any idea or solution.

--
Benoît
There are two categories of people: those who think that
there are two categories of people in the world, and those who don’t.

On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on
> the two machines?

Not with the flip of a switch. That's for sure. You'd need to run an
open/active directory domain server to do what you're asking for.

> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have
> a data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.

Use IMAP instead of POP or that.

What other stuff are you talking about?

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On 2023-08-05 09:50, "Benoît L." wrote:
> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
> two machines?

Did you use the Apple migration tool?

This is a double edged sword as it will do the job, but it won't keep
things sync'd between the two machines afterward.

> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
> data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.

Your iCloud account will synchronize within its limits.

But Mail is different as you can have many e-mail accounts that iCloud
is not aware of.

As JR points out, IMAP will take care of mail sync.
POP and 1995 say "Hi!"

iCloud will take care of files that are in iCloud.

For most travel needs, my 5GB "free" allocation from Apple is more than
ample for both personal and business files that I may need to access
while traveling. YMMV - you can "rent" more space from Apple at sort of
reasonable prices.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

Le 5 août 2023 à 17:10, Alan Browne d'un élan de joie s'exprima ainsi :

> On 2023-08-05 09:50, "Benoît L." wrote:
>> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
>> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
>> two machines?
>
> Did you use the Apple migration tool?

Yes

> This is a double edged sword as it will do the job, but it won't keep
> things sync'd between the two machines afterward.

Yes, it's a one way ticket.

>> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
>> data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.
>
> Your iCloud account will synchronize within its limits.
>
> But Mail is different as you can have many e-mail accounts that iCloud
> is not aware of.

That is my main problem. There are also a few applications that need
their folders in a specific place that is not in iClouds territory. I
can always do that by hand or via AppleScript.

> As JR points out, IMAP will take care of mail sync.
> POP and 1995 say "Hi!"

Yes, but all my accounts are not “imapable”.

> iCloud will take care of files that are in iCloud.
>
> For most travel needs, my 5GB "free" allocation from Apple is more than
> ample for both personal and business files that I may need to access
> while traveling. YMMV - you can "rent" more space from Apple at sort of
> reasonable prices.

I had a free unlimited Google Drive account that went down to 50 Go so I
changed to iCloud 2To and I have room.

Two ideas:
– Use CCC to synchronize user/…
– Use TimeMachine of the Studio to bring the MB uptodate
and the TM of the MB on the Studio when back home.

Are they OK? Any other/better idea?

--
Un généraliste sait rien sur tout,
Un spécialiste, lui, sait tout sur rien.

Am 05.08.23 um 15:50 schrieb "Benoît L.":
> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
> two machines?
>
> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
> data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.

The solution is IMHO obvious. POP is outdated and not suitable for users
with multi-device workflows.

The sync of the data is unnecessary. Keep data you need on both or more
machines in the iCloud Drive.

--
Manus manum lavat

Am 05.08.23 um 18:12 schrieb "Benoît L.":
> Two ideas:
> – Use CCC to synchronize user/…
> – Use TimeMachine of the Studio to bring the MB uptodate
> and the TM of the MB on the Studio when back home.

Are you serious?

--
Manus manum lavat

Le 5 août 2023 à 18:14, Jörg Lorenz d'un élan de joie s'exprima ainsi :

> Am 05.08.23 um 18:12 schrieb "Benoît L.":
>> Two ideas:
>> – Use CCC to synchronize user/…
>> – Use TimeMachine of the Studio to bring the MB uptodate
>> and the TM of the MB on the Studio when back home.
>
> Are you serious?

Where is the problem?

--
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Am 05.08.23 um 18:31 schrieb "Benoît L.":
> Le 5 août 2023 à 18:14, Jörg Lorenz d'un élan de joie s'exprima ainsi :
>
>
>> Am 05.08.23 um 18:12 schrieb "Benoît L.":
>>> Two ideas:
>>> – Use CCC to synchronize user/…
>>> – Use TimeMachine of the Studio to bring the MB uptodate
>>> and the TM of the MB on the Studio when back home.
>>
>> Are you serious?
>
> Where is the problem?

Try and find out.
I'm out of this thread. It is so bizarre.

--
Alea iacta est

On 2023-08-05 12:12, "Benoît L." wrote:
> Le 5 août 2023 à 17:10, Alan Browne d'un élan de joie s'exprima ainsi :
>
>
>> On 2023-08-05 09:50, "Benoît L." wrote:
>>> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
>>> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
>>> two machines?
>>
>> Did you use the Apple migration tool?
>
> Yes
>
>> This is a double edged sword as it will do the job, but it won't keep
>> things sync'd between the two machines afterward.
>
> Yes, it's a one way ticket.
>
>>> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
>>> data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.
>>
>> Your iCloud account will synchronize within its limits.
>>
>> But Mail is different as you can have many e-mail accounts that iCloud
>> is not aware of.
>
> That is my main problem. There are also a few applications that need
> their folders in a specific place that is not in iClouds territory. I
> can always do that by hand or via AppleScript.
>
>> As JR points out, IMAP will take care of mail sync.
>> POP and 1995 say "Hi!"
>
> Yes, but all my accounts are not “imapable”.

Short version - most are?

You can also setup Mail on the new Studio to automatically forward
e-mails to an IMAPed account. This is messy-ish, but you won't miss things.

IIRC - even with POP accounts, the e-mails will stay on the server for
some time (say 30 days), so you can still pop them onto the other Mac -
if that is really important to you.

Note also that e-mail accounts I assumed could not be configured as IMAP
eventually and quietly offered the IMAP option and so I could eventually
get IMAP ....

>
>> iCloud will take care of files that are in iCloud.
>>
>> For most travel needs, my 5GB "free" allocation from Apple is more than
>> ample for both personal and business files that I may need to access
>> while traveling. YMMV - you can "rent" more space from Apple at sort of
>> reasonable prices.
>
> I had a free unlimited Google Drive account that went down to 50 Go so I
> changed to iCloud 2To and I have room.
>
>
> Two ideas:
> – Use CCC to synchronize user/…
> – Use TimeMachine of the Studio to bring the MB uptodate
> and the TM of the MB on the Studio when back home.
>
> Are they OK? Any other/better idea?

First maybe - with attendant mess.
Second - ugh with yech sauce.

Do you really need those POP accounts? Migrate away from the old.

One thing that I always do when I get a new computer is analyze what I
can now change to my advantage.

Also, if your MacBook is now a "travel" machine, is it really (like
_really_) essential that it have the e-mail from these POP accounts up
to date?

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

Nonobstant quelques doutes, le 5 août 2023 à 18:13, Jörg Lorenz se
permit de dire :

> Am 05.08.23 um 15:50 schrieb "Benoît L.":
>> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
>> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
>> two machines?
>>
>> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
>> data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.
>
> The solution is IMHO obvious. POP is outdated and not suitable for users
> with multi-device workflows.

That, I now know.

But I have 8 mail accounts and I store/classify the mails outside of the
imap folders since a subject can appear on different accounts.

So, even with imap I have mails that need to be synched.

> The sync of the data is unnecessary. Keep data you need on both or more
> machines in the iCloud Drive.

I have some apps that force you to leave their folder in a specific
place that is not iCloud's zone.

--
Benoît
Seuls les idéaux ne changent jamais d'avis.

For your reference, records indicate that
=?UTF-8?B?IkJlbm/DrnQgTC4i?= <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:

> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
> two machines?
>
> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
> data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.
>
>
> TIA for any idea or solution.

An “account” is a tricky concept these days. If you’re comfortable in
Terminal, rsync is the common command to keep data on a number of Macs
in agreement. If it’s app-data rather than data-data, you may run into
issues if both Macs don’t run the same version.

--
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
> Nonobstant quelques doutes, le 5 août 2023 à 18:13, Jörg Lorenz se
> permit de dire :
>> Am 05.08.23 um 15:50 schrieb "Benoît L.":
>>> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
>>> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on
>>> the two machines?
>>>
>>> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I
>>> have a data I always need, like the emails from different pop
>>> accounts.
>>
>> The solution is IMHO obvious. POP is outdated and not suitable for
>> users with multi-device workflows.
>
> That, I now know.
>
> But I have 8 mail accounts and I store/classify the mails outside of
> the imap folders since a subject can appear on different accounts.
>
> So, even with imap I have mails that need to be synched.

You could move those messages to mailbox folders on one of the IMAP
servers instead so they'll be available everywhere.

>> The sync of the data is unnecessary. Keep data you need on both or
>> more machines in the iCloud Drive.
>
> I have some apps that force you to leave their folder in a specific
> place that is not iCloud's zone.

Name these apps, please.

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Ni vu ni connu, le 5 août 2023 à 20:28, Jolly Roger osa écrire :

> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> You could move those messages to mailbox folders on one of the IMAP
> servers instead so they'll be available everywhere.

That is what I'm thinking of, with 20Go imap space.

>> I have some apps that force you to leave their folder in a specific
>> place that is not iCloud's zone.
>
> Name these apps, please.

I already asked the different devs and the answer is almost the same:
are app is crossplatform and this is the easiest way.

--
Benoît
Les gens sans humour manquent de sérieux.

Après mûre réflexion, le 5 août 2023 à 18:40, Alan Browne eu l'idée
d'écrire :

> On 2023-08-05 12:12, "Benoît L." wrote:

>> Yes, but all my accounts are not “imapable”.
>
> Short version - most are?

The problem is all are not.

> You can also setup Mail on the new Studio to automatically forward
> e-mails to an IMAPed account. This is messy-ish, but you won't miss things.
>
> IIRC - even with POP accounts, the e-mails will stay on the server for
> some time (say 30 days), so you can still pop them onto the other Mac -
> if that is really important to you.

What about the mails received and saved on the disk ? I have almost no
mail in the pop or imap account folders. I have about thirty rules to
organize incoming mail.
>> Two ideas:
>> – Use CCC to synchronize user/…
>> – Use TimeMachine of the Studio to bring the MB uptodate
>> and the TM of the MB on the Studio when back home.
>>
>> Are they OK? Any other/better idea?
>
> First maybe - with attendant mess.
> Second - ugh with yech sauce.
>
> Do you really need those POP accounts? Migrate away from the old.

That also means migrating everything to one account so classification is
done on the imap server and not on my hard drive.

> Also, if your MacBook is now a "travel" machine, is it really (like
> _really_) essential that it have the e-mail from these POP accounts up
> to date?

Last time “travel” was two months so everything has to be uptodate on
the MacBook, and put back on the Studio when home.

--
Dans la vie, ce qui est grave, ce n'est pas tellement d'être con,
c'est de le rester.
-+-Albert Simonin-+-

On 2023-08-05 06:50, "Benoît L." wrote:
> I now have a Mac Studio as “office” machine and I will keep my intel
> MacBook for the trips. Problem: How can I synchronize my account on the
> two machines?
>
> I have an iCloud account but it ignores the user/Library where I have a
> data I always need, like the emails from different pop accounts.
>
>
> TIA for any idea or solution.

You can set up POP email accounts so that two different machines both
get the email messages.

iCloud allows you to have the same Desktop and Documents folders across
multiple devices.

What else do you need?

On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
> Ni vu ni connu, le 5 août 2023 à 20:28, Jolly Roger osa écrire :
>> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> You could move those messages to mailbox folders on one of the IMAP
>> servers instead so they'll be available everywhere.
>
> That is what I'm thinking of, with 20Go imap space.
>
>>> I have some apps that force you to leave their folder in a specific
>>> place that is not iCloud's zone.
>>
>> Name these apps, please.
>
> I already asked the different devs and the answer is almost the same:
> are app is crossplatform and this is the easiest way.

Why the secrecy?

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Avec enthousiasme, le 5 août 2023 à 19:09, Doc O'Leary , écrivit :

> An “account” is a tricky concept these days. If you’re comfortable in
> Terminal, rsync is the common command to keep data on a number of Macs
> in agreement.

I _was_ comfortable with the terminal. I’l ask gurus to validate before
I try (I have TM in case).

> If it’s app-data rather than data-data, you may run into
> issues if both Macs don’t run the same version.

I know that app or OS upgrade may modify file structure & Co and render
them unusable on an “old” version. I’ll have to update everyone once in
a while.

One problem I’m thinking of is those apps that write in the main library
(like Adobe to limit the number of machines using the same licence).

--
Benoît
There are two categories of people: those who think that
there are two categories of people in the world, and those who don’t.

On 2023-08-05 16:00, "Benoît L." wrote:
> Après mûre réflexion, le 5 août 2023 à 18:40, Alan Browne eu l'idée
> d'écrire :
>
>
>> On 2023-08-05 12:12, "Benoît L." wrote:
>
>>> Yes, but all my accounts are not “imapable”.
>>
>> Short version - most are?
>
> The problem is all are not.

The meaning here is that the not IMAP-able accounts should be looked at
with an opportunity to get rid of them.

Or, at worst, just forward them to another account and filter into the
appropriate folder.

>> You can also setup Mail on the new Studio to automatically forward
>> e-mails to an IMAPed account. This is messy-ish, but you won't miss things.
>>
>> IIRC - even with POP accounts, the e-mails will stay on the server for
>> some time (say 30 days), so you can still pop them onto the other Mac -
>> if that is really important to you.
>
> What about the mails received and saved on the disk ? I have almost no
> mail in the pop or imap account folders. I have about thirty rules to
> organize incoming mail.
>
>>> Two ideas:
>>> – Use CCC to synchronize user/…
>>> – Use TimeMachine of the Studio to bring the MB uptodate
>>> and the TM of the MB on the Studio when back home.
>>>
>>> Are they OK? Any other/better idea?
>>
>> First maybe - with attendant mess.
>> Second - ugh with yech sauce.
>>
>> Do you really need those POP accounts? Migrate away from the old.
>
> That also means migrating everything to one account so classification is
> done on the imap server and not on my hard drive.

No it doesn't. That is to say, whatever constraints you put on yourself
is your problem.

>
>> Also, if your MacBook is now a "travel" machine, is it really (like
>> _really_) essential that it have the e-mail from these POP accounts up
>> to date?
>
> Last time “travel” was two months so everything has to be uptodate on
> the MacBook, and put back on the Studio when home.

As I said, if one forwards to the other then that is resolved, and
further, your POP provider probably has a setting for number of days to
retain e-mails so they can be POPped to multiple systems.

Anyway I'm done - is sort of like you're making things as difficult as
possible on yourself.

Step back and re-think all of it.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

On 2023-08-05 20:10, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Ni vu ni connu, le 5 août 2023 à 20:28, Jolly Roger osa écrire :
>>> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> You could move those messages to mailbox folders on one of the IMAP
>>> servers instead so they'll be available everywhere.
>>
>> That is what I'm thinking of, with 20Go imap space.
>>
>>>> I have some apps that force you to leave their folder in a specific
>>>> place that is not iCloud's zone.
>>>
>>> Name these apps, please.
>>
>> I already asked the different devs and the answer is almost the same:
>> are app is crossplatform and this is the easiest way.
>
> Why the secrecy?

.... do you smell it too?

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

On 2023-08-06, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-08-05 20:10, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Ni vu ni connu, le 5 août 2023 à 20:28, Jolly Roger osa écrire :
>>>> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You could move those messages to mailbox folders on one of the IMAP
>>>> servers instead so they'll be available everywhere.
>>>
>>> That is what I'm thinking of, with 20Go imap space.
>>>
>>>>> I have some apps that force you to leave their folder in a
>>>>> specific place that is not iCloud's zone.
>>>>
>>>> Name these apps, please.
>>>
>>> I already asked the different devs and the answer is almost the
>>> same: are app is crossplatform and this is the easiest way.
>>
>> Why the secrecy?
>
> ... do you smell it too?

Yup.

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Après mûre réflexion, le 6 août 2023 à 18:02, Alan Browne eu l'idée
d'écrire :

> On 2023-08-05 16:00, "Benoît L." wrote:
>> Après mûre réflexion, le 5 août 2023 à 18:40, Alan Browne eu l'idée
>> d'écrire :
>>
>>
>>> On 2023-08-05 12:12, "Benoît L." wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes, but all my accounts are not “imapable”.
>>>
>>> Short version - most are?
>>
>> The problem is all are not.
>
> The meaning here is that the not IMAP-able accounts should be looked at
> with an opportunity to get rid of them.
>
> Or, at worst, just forward them to another account and filter into the
> appropriate folder.

Thanks, I decided to filter mail from these accounts and send them to a
specific folder so I know where I need to change my mail adress.

I have to see how I can add folders to iCloud. Folders that need to stay
in /User/ or User/library/ and not mover to User/Documents/,
User/Desktop/ or another iCloud folder.

I wonder if a hardLink could do the job (will iCloud accept it?)

--

--
La terre est ronde, mais il y a des cons dans tous les coins.
-+-Albert Simonin-+-

Avec enthousiasme, le 6 août 2023 à 18:28, Jolly Roger écrivit :

> On 2023-08-06, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-08-05 20:10, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Ni vu ni connu, le 5 août 2023 à 20:28, Jolly Roger osa écrire :
>>>>> On 2023-08-05, Benoît L. <benoit@leraillez.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You could move those messages to mailbox folders on one of the IMAP
>>>>> servers instead so they'll be available everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> That is what I'm thinking of, with 20Go imap space.
>>>>
>>>>>> I have some apps that force you to leave their folder in a
>>>>>> specific place that is not iCloud's zone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Name these apps, please.
>>>>
>>>> I already asked the different devs and the answer is almost the
>>>> same: are app is crossplatform and this is the easiest way.
>>>
>>> Why the secrecy?
>>
>> ... do you smell it too?
>
> Yup.

You should wash your sox more often.

--
Benoît
En essayant continuellement on finit par réussir.
Donc, plus ça rate, plus on a des chances que ça marche.
(Jacques Rouxel)