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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 01:24 UTC

.... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.

.... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.

This old i7 HT quad core will be moved to the side for some mundane tasks.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
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On Oct 30, 2023 at 6:24:44 PM PDT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
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>
> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>
> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>
> This old i7 HT quad core will be moved to the side for some mundane tasks.

Lucky you! Sounds like another significant advance and an excellent time to
buy in.

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 by: Bud Frede - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 10:46 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:

> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>
> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>

MOAR POWER! :-)

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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 13:07 UTC

On 2023-10-31 06:46, Bud Frede wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:
>
>> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>>
>> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>>
>
>
> MOAR POWER! :-)

I would have preferred the M3 Pro and 48 GB of RAM, but realistically,
this will be more than sufficient for the next 10 years.

And finally I'll have a Mac OS that is compatible with iOS features (esp
in Notes) that I want to use.

The WiFi on this iMac died about 4 months ago, so file drop doesn't work
- nice to have that back.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 13:08 UTC

On 2023-10-31 01:57, gtr wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2023 at 6:24:44 PM PDT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>>
>> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>>
>> This old i7 HT quad core will be moved to the side for some mundane tasks.
>
> Lucky you! Sounds like another significant advance and an excellent time to
> buy in.

I'm not super pleased with the iMac M3 only and less memory, but it will do.

Planning the migration now ...

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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 by: gtr - Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:36 UTC

On Oct 30, 2023 at 6:24:44 PM PDT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote:

>
> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>
> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>
> This old i7 HT quad core will be moved to the side for some mundane tasks.

Lucky you! Sounds like another significant advance and an excellent time to
buy in.

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On Oct 31, 2023 at 6:07:26 AM PDT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote:

> On 2023-10-31 06:46, Bud Frede wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:
>>
>>> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>>>
>>
>>
>> MOAR POWER! :-)
>
> I would have preferred the M3 Pro and 48 GB of RAM, but realistically,
> this will be more than sufficient for the next 10 years.
>
> And finally I'll have a Mac OS that is compatible with iOS features (esp
> in Notes) that I want to use.
>
> The WiFi on this iMac died about 4 months ago, so file drop doesn't work
> - nice to have that back.

What kind of work do you do that demands 48G?

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On 2023-11-01 02:36:21 +0000, gtr said:
> On Oct 30, 2023 at 6:24:44 PM PDT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>>
>> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>>
>> This old i7 HT quad core will be moved to the side for some mundane tasks.
>
> Lucky you! Sounds like another significant advance and an excellent time to
> buy in.

Except the M4 will be out in June 2025. ;-)

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 by: Bud Frede - Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:48 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:

> On 2023-10-31 06:46, Bud Frede wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:
>>
>>> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>>>
>> MOAR POWER! :-)
>
> I would have preferred the M3 Pro and 48 GB of RAM, but realistically,
> this will be more than sufficient for the next 10 years.
>
> And finally I'll have a Mac OS that is compatible with iOS features
> (esp in Notes) that I want to use.
>
> The WiFi on this iMac died about 4 months ago, so file drop doesn't
> work - nice to have that back.

AirDrop is one of those features that I know exists (after all, I have
an icon in the sidebar of the Finder for it), but I've never really used
much. I'm not sure why, but it just doesn't occur to me to use it.

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 by: Alan Browne - Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:54 UTC

On 2023-10-31 22:38, gtr wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2023 at 6:07:26 AM PDT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-10-31 06:46, Bud Frede wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>>>>
>>>> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> MOAR POWER! :-)
>>
>> I would have preferred the M3 Pro and 48 GB of RAM, but realistically,
>> this will be more than sufficient for the next 10 years.
>>
>> And finally I'll have a Mac OS that is compatible with iOS features (esp
>> in Notes) that I want to use.
>>
>> The WiFi on this iMac died about 4 months ago, so file drop doesn't work
>> - nice to have that back.
>
> What kind of work do you do that demands 48G?

I wrote "preferred", not "demand".

Video editing with multiple inputs uses a lot of memory.

I'm also a fan of Ramdisks when processing video files from format to
format. I currently have a Ramdisk that can go up to 12GB. Happily it
only takes as much memory as it needs (doesn't "block" 12 GB - only what
is needed for the files "in it").

Finally, as I keep computers for a long time, I like margin against
future app growth.

24 GB is adequate. 32 would have been sweet.

But it appears that Apple are 'chunking' memory in 24 GB increments
(probably due to supplier options).

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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 by: Alan Browne - Wed, 1 Nov 2023 14:04 UTC

On 2023-11-01 06:48, Bud Frede wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:
>
>> On 2023-10-31 06:46, Bud Frede wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> ... only the M3 in the iMac capped at 24 GB of RAM.
>>>>
>>>> ... so ordered (24 GB + 2TB). Should be here next week.
>>>>
>>> MOAR POWER! :-)
>>
>> I would have preferred the M3 Pro and 48 GB of RAM, but realistically,
>> this will be more than sufficient for the next 10 years.
>>
>> And finally I'll have a Mac OS that is compatible with iOS features
>> (esp in Notes) that I want to use.
>>
>> The WiFi on this iMac died about 4 months ago, so file drop doesn't
>> work - nice to have that back.
>
> AirDrop is one of those features that I know exists (after all, I have
> an icon in the sidebar of the Finder for it), but I've never really used
> much. I'm not sure why, but it just doesn't occur to me to use it.

It's very useful in many situations such that once you're used to it you
miss it when it can't be used.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 1 Nov 2023 14:13 UTC

On 2023-11-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
> I'm also a fan of Ramdisks when processing video files from format to
> format. I currently have a Ramdisk that can go up to 12GB. Happily
> it only takes as much memory as it needs (doesn't "block" 12 GB - only
> what is needed for the files "in it").

Which RAM disk solution are you using for that?

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 by: Alan Browne - Wed, 1 Nov 2023 14:39 UTC

On 2023-11-01 10:13, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm also a fan of Ramdisks when processing video files from format to
>> format. I currently have a Ramdisk that can go up to 12GB. Happily
>> it only takes as much memory as it needs (doesn't "block" 12 GB - only
>> what is needed for the files "in it").
>
> Which RAM disk solution are you using for that?

Pretty sure I've told you about this in the past, here.

diskutil erasevolume HFS+ 'Ramdisk' `hdiutil attach -nomount ram://25165824`

Above for 12 GiB (512 byte chunks in the last parameter.

Pro: does not allocate memory until needed.

Con: does not de-allocate as files are deleted. So at some point you
have to eject the drive and re-mount to recover. It should re-use
available space in the RD, but I'm not 100% sure.

(I have a program running in BG which has a thread to monitor the
ramdisk and if it disappears, it executes the command above).

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 by: Alan Browne - Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:12 UTC

On 2023-11-01 10:39, Alan Browne wrote:

> diskutil erasevolume HFS+ 'Ramdisk' `hdiutil attach -nomount
> ram://25165824`
>
> Above for 12 GiB (512 byte chunks in the last parameter.
>
> Pro: does not allocate memory until needed.
>
> Con: does not de-allocate as files are deleted.  So at some point you
> have to eject the drive and re-mount to recover.  It should re-use
> available space in the RD, but I'm not 100% sure.

Just tested that - so if one erases a file, and empties the trash, then
adding more files re-uses that space w/o allocating more memory.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 2 Nov 2023 05:49 UTC

On 2023-11-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-11-01 10:13, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-11-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm also a fan of Ramdisks when processing video files from format to
>>> format. I currently have a Ramdisk that can go up to 12GB. Happily
>>> it only takes as much memory as it needs (doesn't "block" 12 GB - only
>>> what is needed for the files "in it").
>>
>> Which RAM disk solution are you using for that?
>
> Pretty sure I've told you about this in the past, here.

Probably, but I definitely forgot. 🙂

> diskutil erasevolume HFS+ 'Ramdisk' `hdiutil attach -nomount ram://25165824`
>
> Above for 12 GiB (512 byte chunks in the last parameter.
>
> Pro: does not allocate memory until needed.
>
> Con: does not de-allocate as files are deleted. So at some point you
> have to eject the drive and re-mount to recover. It should re-use
> available space in the RD, but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> (I have a program running in BG which has a thread to monitor the
> ramdisk and if it disappears, it executes the command above).

Thanks. I wasn't aware hdiutil RAM disks behaved that way. That's very
nice default behavior.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 2 Nov 2023 05:49 UTC

On 2023-11-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-11-01 10:39, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> diskutil erasevolume HFS+ 'Ramdisk' `hdiutil attach -nomount
>> ram://25165824`
>>
>> Above for 12 GiB (512 byte chunks in the last parameter.
>>
>> Pro: does not allocate memory until needed.
>>
>> Con: does not de-allocate as files are deleted.  So at some point you
>> have to eject the drive and re-mount to recover.  It should re-use
>> available space in the RD, but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> Just tested that - so if one erases a file, and empties the trash, then
> adding more files re-uses that space w/o allocating more memory.

🙂👍🏼

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 by: Alan Browne - Thu, 2 Nov 2023 12:22 UTC

On 2023-11-02 01:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-01 10:13, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm also a fan of Ramdisks when processing video files from format to
>>>> format. I currently have a Ramdisk that can go up to 12GB. Happily
>>>> it only takes as much memory as it needs (doesn't "block" 12 GB - only
>>>> what is needed for the files "in it").
>>>
>>> Which RAM disk solution are you using for that?
>>
>> Pretty sure I've told you about this in the past, here.
>
> Probably, but I definitely forgot. 🙂

I looked back. You participated in the thread but you weren't the
reply-to where I put up the example. (2016).

>> diskutil erasevolume HFS+ 'Ramdisk' `hdiutil attach -nomount ram://25165824`
>>
>> Above for 12 GiB (512 byte chunks in the last parameter.
>>
>> Pro: does not allocate memory until needed.
>>
>> Con: does not de-allocate as files are deleted. So at some point you
>> have to eject the drive and re-mount to recover. It should re-use
>> available space in the RD, but I'm not 100% sure.
>>
>> (I have a program running in BG which has a thread to monitor the
>> ramdisk and if it disappears, it executes the command above).
>
> Thanks. I wasn't aware hdiutil RAM disks behaved that way. That's very
> nice default behavior.

It's a good compromise. On Windows it blocked up the memory, so one
tended to use small ram disks. Also a PITA to set up and a PITA to
remove. (WinXP (?)). No idea today.

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