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On 3/19/24 2:36 PM, Ant wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/usb-hubs-printers-java-and-more-seemingly-broken-by-macos-14-4-update/ :(

I dunno, mine are all fine...

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On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
> :(

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?

Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every sensational
clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider that the people
who post these articles have a monetary interest in making relatively
small issues appear to be larger and more wide spread than they actually
are - because getting more clicks literally makes them more money.

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Am 19.03.24 um 19:36 schrieb Ant:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/usb-hubs-printers-java-and-more-seemingly-broken-by-macos-14-4-update/ :(

Everything works perfectly here on 2 Silicons and one Intel T-2.
Was that a near miss? ;-)

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Am 20.03.24 um 07:19 schrieb Jörg Lorenz:
> Am 19.03.24 um 19:36 schrieb Ant:
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/usb-hubs-printers-java-and-more-seemingly-broken-by-macos-14-4-update/ :(
>
> Everything works perfectly here on 2 Silicons and one Intel T-2.
> Was that a near miss? ;-)

BTW: The upgrade was executed 03/08/24 according to my logs.

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On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>
>> :(
>
> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>
> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every sensational
> clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider that the people
> who post these articles have a monetary interest in making relatively
> small issues appear to be larger and more wide spread than they actually
> are - because getting more clicks literally makes them more money.
>

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links to
Apple and reddit). For example, there is a long thread on this problem
at Apple: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255518397 . One person
claims that a fix from Apple is coming in 14.4.1.

On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>
>>> :(
>>
>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>
>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>> makes them more money.
>
> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
> to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.

BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

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On 20/03/2024 23:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> :(
>>>
>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>>> makes them more money.
>>
>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>> to Apple and reddit).
>
> I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
> sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
> literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
> Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
>
> BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
> virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

Can you explain why the gurus on the Apple Support Communities forums
are absolutely adamant that there is no requirement for anti-malware
software on an Apple computer?

Kurt Lang
Kurt Lang
User level: Level 9
57,666 points
Aug 2, 2023 4:14 PM in response to eugene.davidson
The System folder of the OS (where all of these are located) is
completely and cryptographically locked down. There is no way for anyone
to compromise anything installed by the OS. And that includes everything
in the Applications and Utilities folders installed with the OS.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255038944?sortBy=newest_first&page=1

BUT .....

On the other hand, the poster there called 'etresoft' SUPPORTS the use
of the software available here:-

www.clamxav.com

Please advise.

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On 21.03.24 13:14, David Brooks wrote:
> On 20/03/2024 23:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>>>> makes them more money.
>>>
>>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
>>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>>> to Apple and reddit).
>>
>> I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
>> sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
>> literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
>> Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
>>
>> BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
>> virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.
>
>
> Can you explain why the gurus on the Apple Support Communities forums
> are absolutely adamant that there is no requirement for anti-malware
> software on an Apple computer?

You are totally OT. And now: *PLONK*

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> :(
>>>
>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>>> makes them more money.
>>
>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>> to Apple and reddit).
>
> I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
> sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
> literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
> Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
>
> BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
> virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.
>

TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
after the release candidate:
https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4

On 21.03.24 20:18, Chris wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>>>> makes them more money.
>>>
>>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
>>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>>> to Apple and reddit).
>>
>> I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
>> sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
>> literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
>> Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
>>
>> BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
>> virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.
>>
>
> TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
> detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
> after the release candidate:
> https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4

Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.

If someone in the private domain thinks he or she needs java, fine. It
can look a bit different in a corporate environment.

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On 2024-03-20 18:07, OrangeFish wrote:
> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>
>>> :(
>>
>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>
>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every sensational
>> clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider that the people
>> who post these articles have a monetary interest in making relatively
>> small issues appear to be larger and more wide spread than they actually
>> are - because getting more clicks literally makes them more money.
>>
>
> Ars Technica is fairly respectable.  The author of the article states
> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links to
> Apple and reddit).  For example, there is a long thread on this problem
> at Apple: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255518397 .  One person
> claims that a fix from Apple is coming in 14.4.1.

Adding to JR's comment: announcements from AT or other sources are
amplification. If there are 2 or 3 reports of an issue, they report it
and 10's of thousands (or millions) of people read it. That doesn't
make for 10's of thousands (or millions) of affected users.

I've yet to see AT or the other similar sites (all of whom do add value
to our pursuit of computer happiness) put out article headlines like:

Mac OS 14.x has been out for 96 hours and not a single
issue has been reported.

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On 2024-03-21, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-20 18:07, OrangeFish wrote:
>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> :(
>>>
>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks
>>> literally makes them more money.
>>
>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable.  The author of the article states
>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>> to Apple and reddit).  For example, there is a long thread on this
>> problem at Apple: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255518397 . 
>> One person claims that a fix from Apple is coming in 14.4.1.
>
> Adding to JR's comment: announcements from AT or other sources are
> amplification. If there are 2 or 3 reports of an issue, they report
> it and 10's of thousands (or millions) of people read it. That
> doesn't make for 10's of thousands (or millions) of affected users.

But gullible rubs mistake it as a widespread issue, and resident trolls
latch onto it nonetheless.

> I've yet to see AT or the other similar sites (all of whom do add
> value to our pursuit of computer happiness) put out article headlines
> like:
>
> Mac OS 14.x has been out for 96 hours and not a single issue
> has been reported.

Negative Apple news gets the most clicks.

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 21.03.24 20:18, Chris wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>>>>> makes them more money.
>>>>
>>>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
>>>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>>>> to Apple and reddit).
>>>
>>> I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
>>> sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
>>> literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
>>> Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
>>>
>>> BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
>>> virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.
>>>
>>
>> TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
>> detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
>> after the release candidate:
>> https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4
>
> Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
> execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.

Eh, what? Oracle own Java. They're the most relevant source of information
for java issues.

Did you even read the link? Apple made a very late (and undocumented?)
change.

> If someone in the private domain thinks he or she needs java, fine. It
> can look a bit different in a corporate environment.
>

On 22.03.24 09:06, Chris wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>> On 21.03.24 20:18, Chris wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>>>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>>>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>>>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>>>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>>>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>>>>>> makes them more money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
>>>>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>>>>> to Apple and reddit).
>>>>
>>>> I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
>>>> sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
>>>> literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
>>>> Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
>>>> virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
>>> detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
>>> after the release candidate:
>>> https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4
>>
>> Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
>> execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.
>
> Eh, what? Oracle own Java. They're the most relevant source of information
> for java issues.

I did not say anything else. Learn to read and understand. Oracle is
irrelevant for Mac-users.

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 22.03.24 09:06, Chris wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> On 21.03.24 20:18, Chris wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-20, OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-20 00:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
>>>>>>> multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
>>>>>>> sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
>>>>>>> that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
>>>>>>> making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
>>>>>>> spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
>>>>>>> makes them more money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
>>>>>> that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
>>>>>> to Apple and reddit).
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
>>>>> sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
>>>>> literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
>>>>> Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
>>>>> virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
>>>> detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
>>>> after the release candidate:
>>>> https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4
>>>
>>> Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
>>> execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.
>>
>> Eh, what? Oracle own Java. They're the most relevant source of information
>> for java issues.
>
> I did not say anything else. Learn to read and understand. Oracle is
> irrelevant for Mac-users.

Fixed in today’s 14.4.1 release.

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/25/apple-releases-macos-sonoma-14-4-1/>

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