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* Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.micky
+- Re: Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.captain_penis
+- Re: Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.Abu Hamza
+- Re: Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.Paul
`* Re: Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.Ed Cryer
 `* Re: Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.micky
  +* Re: Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.Ed Cryer
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   `* Re: Alternate alphabet makes it's way to Windows key text.micky
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 by: micky - Sat, 3 Jun 2023 23:25 UTC

This is not really a problem, but I think you'll find it interesting.

Using win10 fully updated. I've never seen win11 but I'm thinking the
two have similarities:

I also use the software that makes Win10 look like Win7 or 8. I've used
this for years and on this computer, ever since I first loaded win10, 2
years ago. I'm not good at learning something new so this made my life
easier.

In addition to English, I have the Hebrew alphabet installed. I even
enabled the alt-shift shortcut for changing keyboards, and sometimes my
fingers slip and I change the keyboard by accident, though not for many
months afaicr. It's easy to change back.

Two or 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I type the Windows key, the big
blue box that shows up in the corner is partly in Hebrew!! My Hebrew
is not good but I can read it enough to know the Hebrew entries mean
what the English entries would have said.

The first six items remain in English. Windows-user-name, Documents,
Pictures, Music, Recent Items, This PC.

But Control Panel and Settings are in Hebrew!! Small and hard to read
and in Hebrew characters: Luach Habekara and Hagadrot Machshav!

Devices and Printers, and Default Programs are in English.

and the next two lines, Help and Support, and Run, are in Hebrew. Ezra
v'tamicha, and hapoala.

And the box is in the left bottom corner but the columns are in reverse
order, Hebrew order, right to left instead of left to right.

The submenu for Control Panel is entirely in English, but the columns
are in reverse order!

And I've restarted Windows but it didn't undo this.

I've never had Hebrew windows, and the Hebrew keyboard just changes what
each key means, not menu items. It doesn't even know words, only
letters.

How did this happen? Anyone else see it?

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 by: captain_penis - Sat, 3 Jun 2023 23:40 UTC

Sounds like the spirit of Adolph Hitler
has entered your system. You will probably
dream about Treblinka tonight. Question is,
will you be a guard, or a prisoner.

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On 04/06/2023 00:25, micky wrote:
>
>
> How did this happen? Anyone else see it?
>
>

Wadie Haddad might have hijacked your machine. That guy had a history of
hijacking anything that moves!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadie_Haddad

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 by: Paul - Sun, 4 Jun 2023 09:45 UTC

On 6/3/2023 7:25 PM, micky wrote:
> This is not really a problem, but I think you'll find it interesting.
>
> Using win10 fully updated. I've never seen win11 but I'm thinking the
> two have similarities:
>
> I also use the software that makes Win10 look like Win7 or 8. I've used
> this for years and on this computer, ever since I first loaded win10, 2
> years ago. I'm not good at learning something new so this made my life
> easier.
>
> In addition to English, I have the Hebrew alphabet installed. I even
> enabled the alt-shift shortcut for changing keyboards, and sometimes my
> fingers slip and I change the keyboard by accident, though not for many
> months afaicr. It's easy to change back.
>
> Two or 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I type the Windows key, the big
> blue box that shows up in the corner is partly in Hebrew!! My Hebrew
> is not good but I can read it enough to know the Hebrew entries mean
> what the English entries would have said.
>
> The first six items remain in English. Windows-user-name, Documents,
> Pictures, Music, Recent Items, This PC.
>
> But Control Panel and Settings are in Hebrew!! Small and hard to read
> and in Hebrew characters: Luach Habekara and Hagadrot Machshav!
>
> Devices and Printers, and Default Programs are in English.
>
> and the next two lines, Help and Support, and Run, are in Hebrew. Ezra
> v'tamicha, and hapoala.
>
> And the box is in the left bottom corner but the columns are in reverse
> order, Hebrew order, right to left instead of left to right.
>
> The submenu for Control Panel is entirely in English, but the columns
> are in reverse order!
>
> And I've restarted Windows but it didn't undo this.
>
> I've never had Hebrew windows, and the Hebrew keyboard just changes what
> each key means, not menu items. It doesn't even know words, only
> letters.
>
>
> How did this happen? Anyone else see it?

No idea.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/manage-the-input-and-display-language-settings-in-windows-12a10cb4-8626-9b77-0ccb-5013e0c7c7a2

Start by looking at the most-likely settings page for it.
(This did not seem to help me a lot, so I had to revise my approach.)

The reason I shot three photos of it, is to show how Win7 made it easy.
Or at least I visually recognize the Win7 thing I used to fix my
(French Canadian) laptop. The other OSes seem to conflate
language and keyboard settings, with keyboard options being a
subset of installed languages. And if your OS is using Hebrew as a language,
maybe that is why it is "leaking through" to interface elements. But maybe
you can't have a Hebrew keyboard, without also installing the Hebrew language.

[Picture] Settings : Time & Language : Language & Region

https://i.postimg.cc/pTRwXpVM/settings-language-region.gif

Paul

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 by: Ed Cryer - Sun, 4 Jun 2023 10:03 UTC

micky wrote:
> This is not really a problem, but I think you'll find it interesting.
>
> Using win10 fully updated. I've never seen win11 but I'm thinking the
> two have similarities:
>
> I also use the software that makes Win10 look like Win7 or 8. I've used
> this for years and on this computer, ever since I first loaded win10, 2
> years ago. I'm not good at learning something new so this made my life
> easier.
>
> In addition to English, I have the Hebrew alphabet installed. I even
> enabled the alt-shift shortcut for changing keyboards, and sometimes my
> fingers slip and I change the keyboard by accident, though not for many
> months afaicr. It's easy to change back.
>
> Two or 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I type the Windows key, the big
> blue box that shows up in the corner is partly in Hebrew!! My Hebrew
> is not good but I can read it enough to know the Hebrew entries mean
> what the English entries would have said.
>
> The first six items remain in English. Windows-user-name, Documents,
> Pictures, Music, Recent Items, This PC.
>
> But Control Panel and Settings are in Hebrew!! Small and hard to read
> and in Hebrew characters: Luach Habekara and Hagadrot Machshav!
>
> Devices and Printers, and Default Programs are in English.
>
> and the next two lines, Help and Support, and Run, are in Hebrew. Ezra
> v'tamicha, and hapoala.
>
> And the box is in the left bottom corner but the columns are in reverse
> order, Hebrew order, right to left instead of left to right.
>
> The submenu for Control Panel is entirely in English, but the columns
> are in reverse order!
>
> And I've restarted Windows but it didn't undo this.
>
> I've never had Hebrew windows, and the Hebrew keyboard just changes what
> each key means, not menu items. It doesn't even know words, only
> letters.
>
>
> How did this happen? Anyone else see it?
>
>

I can't say how it happened but I know what I'd do in your situation.

Completely uninstall all Hebrew settings; everything related to them.
Maybe a final Windows search for "Hebrew" thereafter wouldn't go amiss.

When things have returned to normal, you can re-install as you wish.

Ed

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 by: micky - Sun, 4 Jun 2023 15:52 UTC

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:03:03 +0100, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> This is not really a problem, but I think you'll find it interesting.
>>
>> Using win10 fully updated. I've never seen win11 but I'm thinking the
>> two have similarities:
>>
>> I also use the software that makes Win10 look like Win7 or 8. I've used
>> this for years and on this computer, ever since I first loaded win10, 2
>> years ago. I'm not good at learning something new so this made my life
>> easier.
>>
>> In addition to English, I have the Hebrew alphabet installed. I even
>> enabled the alt-shift shortcut for changing keyboards, and sometimes my
>> fingers slip and I change the keyboard by accident, though not for many
>> months afaicr. It's easy to change back.
>>
>> Two or 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I type the Windows key, the big
>> blue box that shows up in the corner is partly in Hebrew!! My Hebrew
>> is not good but I can read it enough to know the Hebrew entries mean
>> what the English entries would have said.
>>
>> The first six items remain in English. Windows-user-name, Documents,
>> Pictures, Music, Recent Items, This PC.
>>
>> But Control Panel and Settings are in Hebrew!! Small and hard to read
>> and in Hebrew characters: Luach Habekara and Hagadrot Machshav!
>>
>> Devices and Printers, and Default Programs are in English.
>>
>> and the next two lines, Help and Support, and Run, are in Hebrew. Ezra
>> v'tamicha, and hapoala.
>>
>> And the box is in the left bottom corner but the columns are in reverse
>> order, Hebrew order, right to left instead of left to right.
>>
>> The submenu for Control Panel is entirely in English, but the columns
>> are in reverse order!
>>
>> And I've restarted Windows but it didn't undo this.
>>
>> I've never had Hebrew windows, and the Hebrew keyboard just changes what
>> each key means, not menu items. It doesn't even know words, only
>> letters.
>>
>>
>> How did this happen? Anyone else see it?
>>
>>
>
>I can't say how it happened but I know what I'd do in your situation.
>
>Completely uninstall all Hebrew settings; everything related to them.
>Maybe a final Windows search for "Hebrew" thereafter wouldn't go amiss.
>
>When things have returned to normal, you can re-install as you wish.
>
>Ed

Thanks, Ed and Paul. If I learn more I'll post back. I thought this
example of, I presume, unintended consequences would interest you.

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 by: Ed Cryer - Sun, 4 Jun 2023 16:46 UTC

micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:03:03 +0100, Ed Cryer
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
>> micky wrote:
>>> This is not really a problem, but I think you'll find it interesting.
>>>
>>> Using win10 fully updated. I've never seen win11 but I'm thinking the
>>> two have similarities:
>>>
>>> I also use the software that makes Win10 look like Win7 or 8. I've used
>>> this for years and on this computer, ever since I first loaded win10, 2
>>> years ago. I'm not good at learning something new so this made my life
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> In addition to English, I have the Hebrew alphabet installed. I even
>>> enabled the alt-shift shortcut for changing keyboards, and sometimes my
>>> fingers slip and I change the keyboard by accident, though not for many
>>> months afaicr. It's easy to change back.
>>>
>>> Two or 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I type the Windows key, the big
>>> blue box that shows up in the corner is partly in Hebrew!! My Hebrew
>>> is not good but I can read it enough to know the Hebrew entries mean
>>> what the English entries would have said.
>>>
>>> The first six items remain in English. Windows-user-name, Documents,
>>> Pictures, Music, Recent Items, This PC.
>>>
>>> But Control Panel and Settings are in Hebrew!! Small and hard to read
>>> and in Hebrew characters: Luach Habekara and Hagadrot Machshav!
>>>
>>> Devices and Printers, and Default Programs are in English.
>>>
>>> and the next two lines, Help and Support, and Run, are in Hebrew. Ezra
>>> v'tamicha, and hapoala.
>>>
>>> And the box is in the left bottom corner but the columns are in reverse
>>> order, Hebrew order, right to left instead of left to right.
>>>
>>> The submenu for Control Panel is entirely in English, but the columns
>>> are in reverse order!
>>>
>>> And I've restarted Windows but it didn't undo this.
>>>
>>> I've never had Hebrew windows, and the Hebrew keyboard just changes what
>>> each key means, not menu items. It doesn't even know words, only
>>> letters.
>>>
>>>
>>> How did this happen? Anyone else see it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I can't say how it happened but I know what I'd do in your situation.
>>
>> Completely uninstall all Hebrew settings; everything related to them.
>> Maybe a final Windows search for "Hebrew" thereafter wouldn't go amiss.
>>
>> When things have returned to normal, you can re-install as you wish.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Thanks, Ed and Paul. If I learn more I'll post back. I thought this
> example of, I presume, unintended consequences would interest you.

Unintended consequences are so universal in the computer programming
world that nothing surprises me.
It's easy to blame MS for insufficient testing before release, but there
are so very many, many different environments on which their OS's run
that they can't cover them all.

Ed

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 4 Jun 2023 21:13 UTC

On Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:46:21 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:

>Unintended consequences are so universal in the computer programming
>world that nothing surprises me.
>It's easy to blame MS for insufficient testing before release, but there
>are so very many, many different environments on which their OS's run
>that they can't cover them all.

I agree, but...

....although they can't every possible configuration and scenario and
testing can never be perfect, they *could* (and should) test much more
than they do.

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micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:03:03 +0100, Ed Cryer
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
>> micky wrote:
>>> This is not really a problem, but I think you'll find it interesting.
>>>
>>> Using win10 fully updated. I've never seen win11 but I'm thinking the
>>> two have similarities:
>>>
>>> I also use the software that makes Win10 look like Win7 or 8. I've used
>>> this for years and on this computer, ever since I first loaded win10, 2
>>> years ago. I'm not good at learning something new so this made my life
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> In addition to English, I have the Hebrew alphabet installed. I even
>>> enabled the alt-shift shortcut for changing keyboards, and sometimes my
>>> fingers slip and I change the keyboard by accident, though not for many
>>> months afaicr. It's easy to change back.
>>>
>>> Two or 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I type the Windows key, the big
>>> blue box that shows up in the corner is partly in Hebrew!! My Hebrew
>>> is not good but I can read it enough to know the Hebrew entries mean
>>> what the English entries would have said.
>>>
>>> The first six items remain in English. Windows-user-name, Documents,
>>> Pictures, Music, Recent Items, This PC.
>>>
>>> But Control Panel and Settings are in Hebrew!! Small and hard to read
>>> and in Hebrew characters: Luach Habekara and Hagadrot Machshav!
>>>
>>> Devices and Printers, and Default Programs are in English.
>>>
>>> and the next two lines, Help and Support, and Run, are in Hebrew. Ezra
>>> v'tamicha, and hapoala.
>>>
>>> And the box is in the left bottom corner but the columns are in reverse
>>> order, Hebrew order, right to left instead of left to right.
>>>
>>> The submenu for Control Panel is entirely in English, but the columns
>>> are in reverse order!
>>>
>>> And I've restarted Windows but it didn't undo this.
>>>
>>> I've never had Hebrew windows, and the Hebrew keyboard just changes what
>>> each key means, not menu items. It doesn't even know words, only
>>> letters.
>>>
>>>
>>> How did this happen? Anyone else see it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I can't say how it happened but I know what I'd do in your situation.
>>
>> Completely uninstall all Hebrew settings; everything related to them.
>> Maybe a final Windows search for "Hebrew" thereafter wouldn't go amiss.
>>
>> When things have returned to normal, you can re-install as you wish.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Thanks, Ed and Paul. If I learn more I'll post back. I thought this
> example of, I presume, unintended consequences would interest you.

You're going to have to be very selective with a Windows search of your
files.
I teach various languages online and have all kinds of language packages
installed, including Greek, Cyrillic and Hebrew keyboards and software.
And I just ran an experimental Search that threw up tons of hits; mostly
text documents associated with their owners.

I've never seen my Windows swap to other scripts the way yours has. And,
believe me, I've tinkered like a gardener in a potting shed. Great fun!

I suspect something at your end has tinkered with the Windows overall
language settings.
Look in Settings, Time and Language.

Ed

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 by: micky - Tue, 6 Jun 2023 00:26 UTC

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 5 Jun 2023 12:57:45 +0100, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:03:03 +0100, Ed Cryer
>> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote:
>>>> This is not really a problem, but I think you'll find it interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Using win10 fully updated. I've never seen win11 but I'm thinking the
>>>> two have similarities:
>>>>
>>>> I also use the software that makes Win10 look like Win7 or 8. I've used
>>>> this for years and on this computer, ever since I first loaded win10, 2
>>>> years ago. I'm not good at learning something new so this made my life
>>>> easier.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to English, I have the Hebrew alphabet installed. I even
>>>> enabled the alt-shift shortcut for changing keyboards, and sometimes my
>>>> fingers slip and I change the keyboard by accident, though not for many
>>>> months afaicr. It's easy to change back.
>>>>
>>>> Two or 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I type the Windows key, the big
>>>> blue box that shows up in the corner is partly in Hebrew!! My Hebrew
>>>> is not good but I can read it enough to know the Hebrew entries mean
>>>> what the English entries would have said.
>>>>
>>>> The first six items remain in English. Windows-user-name, Documents,
>>>> Pictures, Music, Recent Items, This PC.
>>>>
>>>> But Control Panel and Settings are in Hebrew!! Small and hard to read
>>>> and in Hebrew characters: Luach Habekara and Hagadrot Machshav!
>>>>
>>>> Devices and Printers, and Default Programs are in English.
>>>>
>>>> and the next two lines, Help and Support, and Run, are in Hebrew. Ezra
>>>> v'tamicha, and hapoala.
>>>>
>>>> And the box is in the left bottom corner but the columns are in reverse
>>>> order, Hebrew order, right to left instead of left to right.
>>>>
>>>> The submenu for Control Panel is entirely in English, but the columns
>>>> are in reverse order!
>>>>
>>>> And I've restarted Windows but it didn't undo this.
>>>>
>>>> I've never had Hebrew windows, and the Hebrew keyboard just changes what
>>>> each key means, not menu items. It doesn't even know words, only
>>>> letters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How did this happen? Anyone else see it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can't say how it happened but I know what I'd do in your situation.
>>>
>>> Completely uninstall all Hebrew settings; everything related to them.
>>> Maybe a final Windows search for "Hebrew" thereafter wouldn't go amiss.
>>>
>>> When things have returned to normal, you can re-install as you wish.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Thanks, Ed and Paul. If I learn more I'll post back. I thought this
>> example of, I presume, unintended consequences would interest you.
>
>You're going to have to be very selective with a Windows search of your
>files.
>I teach various languages online and have all kinds of language packages
>installed, including Greek, Cyrillic and Hebrew keyboards and software.
>And I just ran an experimental Search that threw up tons of hits; mostly
>text documents associated with their owners.
>
>I've never seen my Windows swap to other scripts the way yours has. And,
>believe me, I've tinkered like a gardener in a potting shed. Great fun!
>
>I suspect something at your end has tinkered with the Windows overall
>language settings.
>Look in Settings, Time and Language.
>
>Ed

I coudln't filnd anything in Settings.

There were 5 incons at the top of Language:
Windows, Apps, Regional, Keyboard, and Speech

All said English (United States)

Windows display language has a drop down menu, but the only entry is
English (united states)

And Preferred languages has two entries.
English has 5 little icons, that are not explained**, and
Hebrew is listed next with one icon and "language pack available".

**Only one of the 5 icons looks like any of the icons for the 5 at the
top, the microphone (speech). the other 4 little icons are A for
alpahbet, an envelope, a rectangle with a pencil over it, and abc with a
check mark.

Meanwhile, I hadn't not iced before that the Windows blue box has at the
bottom, where All Programs, Shut Down, and up to 6 subitems for Shut
Down are, everything is in Hebrew!

My guess is that it's not windows, but that add-on that makes win10 look
like win7 (whose name I can't remember and didn't find**). To do that,
it probably has to bring along some text, and to only have one version,
maybe all languages are included. I've used that on two other computers
too, ever since wiln10 first came out, including another one I'm using
right now, and I think I've had Hebrwew most of that time, and it's
never dragged in Hebrew before!!

**Called Classic Shell, unless that was the name of the first one.
Okay, googling "classic shell menu in hebrew" I got "the main classic
shell packaage includes translations in 35 languages, for things like
toolbar labels, the Explorer UI and the start menu items. So I should
look at Explorer! If that means File Explorer, everything is in
English! When I mistakenly entered Windows Explorer, I got a message in
Hebrew. When I put in Internet Explorer, I got File Explorer.

There appears to be a very broad array of Classic Start Menu settings,
14 tabs's worth, but I don't know how to get there.

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 by: micky - Tue, 6 Jun 2023 01:24 UTC

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 05 Jun 2023 20:26:12 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>
>
>My guess is that it's not windows, but that add-on that makes win10 look
>like win7 (whose name I can't remember and didn't find**). To do that,
>it probably has to bring along some text, and to only have one version,
>maybe all languages are included. I've used that on two other computers
>too, ever since wiln10 first came out, including another one I'm using
>right now, and I think I've had Hebrwew most of that time, and it's
>never dragged in Hebrew before!!
>
>**Called Classic Shell, unless that was the name of the first one.

That was the name of the first one. Its successor, that I am using, is
called Open Shell.

The settings for it seem to have onlyl 4 tabs, but I can't find how to
open them. No, once I learned the name, I just typed Open in the
windows start menu search box and Open Shell Menu Settings came right
up. And in the Language tab, Hebrew was highlighted, out of 30. I
wonder why. I changed it, I think, and maybe that fixed it.

>Okay, googling "classic shell menu in hebrew" I got "the main classic
>shell packaage includes translations in 35 languages, for things like
>toolbar labels, the Explorer UI and the start menu items. So I should
>look at Explorer! If that means File Explorer, everything is in
>English! When I mistakenly entered Windows Explorer, I got a message in
>Hebrew. When I put in Internet Explorer, I got File Explorer.
>
>There appears to be a very broad array of Classic Start Menu settings,
>14 tabs's worth, but I don't know how to get there.

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On 6/5/2023 9:24 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 05 Jun 2023 20:26:12 -0400, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> My guess is that it's not windows, but that add-on that makes win10 look
>> like win7 (whose name I can't remember and didn't find**). To do that,
>> it probably has to bring along some text, and to only have one version,
>> maybe all languages are included. I've used that on two other computers
>> too, ever since wiln10 first came out, including another one I'm using
>> right now, and I think I've had Hebrwew most of that time, and it's
>> never dragged in Hebrew before!!
>>
>> **Called Classic Shell, unless that was the name of the first one.
>
> That was the name of the first one. Its successor, that I am using, is
> called Open Shell.
>
> The settings for it seem to have onlyl 4 tabs, but I can't find how to
> open them. No, once I learned the name, I just typed Open in the
> windows start menu search box and Open Shell Menu Settings came right
> up. And in the Language tab, Hebrew was highlighted, out of 30. I
> wonder why. I changed it, I think, and maybe that fixed it.
>
>> Okay, googling "classic shell menu in hebrew" I got "the main classic
>> shell packaage includes translations in 35 languages, for things like
>> toolbar labels, the Explorer UI and the start menu items. So I should
>> look at Explorer! If that means File Explorer, everything is in
>> English! When I mistakenly entered Windows Explorer, I got a message in
>> Hebrew. When I put in Internet Explorer, I got File Explorer.
>>
>> There appears to be a very broad array of Classic Start Menu settings,
>> 14 tabs's worth, but I don't know how to get there.
>

That's some good sleuthing, to determine your addon was doing this.

Those addons, that make the old menus come back, they use routines
that were left in the Microsoft code. Not all the code in all the DLLs is
freshly written. When Microsoft leaves behind crufty old dialogs
and windows for setting things, those need support. If such things
need their own menus, the menu routines from the old OS have to be
kept too. There's a dependency chain of stuff like that.

Some of this stuff is left behind, so older application programs can
run and work they way they used to.

The arch and design of the older OS, may differ on language pack
and keyboard localization support. and so the handling of the info
passed to the old routines, something has to handle that and pass in
the correct information. Or it won't work exactly consistently otherwise.

Imagine how hard it would be, to be an archeologist-programmer and
verify that all the code you were shipping, was internally consistent.

Paul

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