Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad, but
you can use apple music on the ipad.

Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on apple
music without actually registering or subscribing to the service (not even a free trial)?

For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums are
available on apple music:

https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298

https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699

Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to
offer an overview of the music they have available.

Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can
show a screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available
in their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?

That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely exploring
their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has those albums.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:39:34 AM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:
> Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad, but
> you can use apple music on the ipad.
>
> Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on apple
> music without actually registering or subscribing to the service (not even a free trial)?
>
> For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums are
> available on apple music:
>
> https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298
>
> https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699
>
> Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
> tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to
> offer an overview of the music they have available.
>
> Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can
> show a screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available
> in their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?
>
> That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
> streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
> those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely exploring
> their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has those albums.

Ah, I see it's possible to browse the collection without any subscription shenanigans.

https://support.apple.com/guide/music-web/search-for-music-apdmca22e054/web

As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making the claim of
having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).

On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
> the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).

Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
album by every artist in their library.

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On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
> > the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
> album by every artist in their library.

So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been
released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
million tracks?
More like 40% or more like 80%?

I'm certainly glad I collect music myself, so I'm not at the mercy of these tech
molochs like apple that can decide on a whim to remove music from the collection
they offer access to.

4 TB SSD is an amazing cosmic jukebox with a playlist shuffling more than 100000
tracks.

>
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sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:39:34 AM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:
>> Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad, but
>> you can use apple music on the ipad.
>>
>> Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on apple
>> music without actually registering or subscribing to the service (not even a free trial)?
>>
>> For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums are
>> available on apple music:
>>
>> https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298
>>
>> https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699
>>
>> Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
>> tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to
>> offer an overview of the music they have available.
>>
>> Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can
>> show a screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available
>> in their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?
>>
>> That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
>> streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
>> those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely exploring
>> their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has those albums.
>
> Ah, I see it's possible to browse the collection without any subscription shenanigans.
>
> https://support.apple.com/guide/music-web/search-for-music-apdmca22e054/web
>
> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making the claim of
> having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
>

Neither of these albums are on Spotify either, which leads me to believe
the artists chose to not make them available via streaming. Not some
nefarious plot by Apple.

On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
>> > (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
>> > doubtful).
>>
>> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
>> album by every artist in their library.
>
> So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that
> has been released in the past that is available through such streaming
> services offering 100 million tracks? More like 40% or more like 80%?

I don't know, and frankly don't care. I have always purchased my music
rather than renting it, and if it's not available on Apple's iTunes
Store, then I'll purchase it elsewhere.

> I'm certainly glad I collect music myself, so I'm not at the mercy of
> these tech molochs like apple that can decide on a whim to remove
> music from the collection they offer access to.

That's a recording industry problem, not a tech problem.

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On 2023-04-18, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
> sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:39:34 AM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad,
>>> but you can use apple music on the ipad.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on
>>> apple music without actually registering or subscribing to the
>>> service (not even a free trial)?
>>>
>>> For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums
>>> are available on apple music:
>>>
>>> https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298
>>>
>>> https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699
>>>
>>> Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
>>> tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to offer
>>> an overview of the music they have available.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can show a
>>> screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available in
>>> their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?
>>>
>>> That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
>>> streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
>>> those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely
>>> exploring their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has
>>> those albums.
>>
>> Ah, I see it's possible to browse the collection without any
>> subscription shenanigans.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/music-web/search-for-music-apdmca22e054/web
>>
>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
>> (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
>> doubtful).
>
> Neither of these albums are on Spotify either, which leads me to
> believe the artists chose to not make them available via streaming.
> Not some nefarious plot by Apple.

I'm betting you can't purchase to own this music from some retailers as
well. Apple has nothing to do with that either.

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sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
>>> the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
>> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
>> album by every artist in their library.
>
> So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been
> released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
> million tracks?
> More like 40% or more like 80%?

Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small
independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been catalogued
either.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:41:30 PM UTC+2, Chris wrote:
> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
> >>> the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
> >> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
> >> album by every artist in their library.
> >
> > So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been
> > released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
> > million tracks?
> > More like 40% or more like 80%?
> Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small
> independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been catalogued
> either.

Well, assuming that music released for commercial reasons is typically produced in
larger quantities, you might pick some arbitrary minimal number like at least 500
copies being produced for sale (though perhaps these days with online distribution
that has kind of changed compared to the past when albums were released on
vinyl or cd).

On 2023-04-19, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:41:30 PM UTC+2, Chris wrote:
>> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> >> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
>> >>> (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
>> >>> doubtful).
>> >>
>> >> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have
>> >> every album by every artist in their library.
>> >
>> > So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music
>> > that has been released in the past that is available through such
>> > streaming services offering 100 million tracks? More like 40% or
>> > more like 80%?
>>
>> Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small
>> independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been
>> catalogued either.
>
> Well, assuming that music released for commercial reasons is typically
> produced in larger quantities, you might pick some arbitrary minimal
> number like at least 500 copies being produced for sale (though
> perhaps these days with online distribution that has kind of changed
> compared to the past when albums were released on vinyl or cd).

Go ahead then. I'm not sure why you need to involve the rest of us in
your endeavor though, as this exercise seems to be a complete waste of
time.

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On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
>> > (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
>> > doubtful).
>>
>> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
>> album by every artist in their library.
>
> So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that
> has been released in the past that is available through such streaming
> services offering 100 million tracks? More like 40% or more like 80%?

I don't know, and frankly don't care. I have always purchased my music
rather than renting it, and if it's not available on Apple's iTunes
Store, then I'll purchase it elsewhere.

> I'm certainly glad I collect music myself, so I'm not at the mercy of
> these tech molochs like apple that can decide on a whim to remove
> music from the collection they offer access to.

That's a recording industry problem, not a tech problem.

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On 2023-08-02 18:41, Wally J wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>>> Backing up & re-installing apps on a new phone is yet another instance
>>> where iOS is so brain dead that you have to wonder why people use it.
>>
>> Which is about as relevant as you are (very low).
>
> Notice I simply tell the truth about Apple products, which you feel is such
> a dire threat to your imaginary belief system that you resort to insults.

Why don't you take, say, 6 weeks off of this and consult a mental health
professional. Bring along copies of your posts here (in full and
unredacted).

Let him advise you on your mental health status ... and if he prescribes
drugs, it's something to take seriously.

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candycanearter07 wrote:

>On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>>nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>>nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when
>>>it asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at
>>>whatever version you want. ios developers have multiple devices
>>>with various older versions for testing (which is annoying but
>>>that's how it is).
>>
>>Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about
>>Apple*
>>
>>If you want to be fully supported *you must upgrade from iOS 16 to
>>17*
>>
>>It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this
>>basic fact.
>
>It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
>devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
>cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
>even Windows does that.

The only time Windows is used as an example in this newsgroup is as a
bad example or to blame them for what Apple is doing.

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On Oct 1, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <xQlSM.36250$%_f1.3838@fx06.iad>):

> On 2023-10-01 17:38, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-10-01 14:13, Wally J wrote:
> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
> > >
> > > > No, you very clearly haven't.
> > >
> > > Well, both badgolferman and I have said we've worked on military grade
> > > software for decades but you can choose to disbelieve what we say.
> >
> > That's convenient, Clown...
> >
> > ...because we do so choose.
>
> Using terms like "military grade software" is a red flag.
>
> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).

Military Grade software does exist. VHDL (MIL-STD-454N) and Ada
(MIL-STD-1815) are examples. But just because something is military grade
doesn't mean it is good. Military grade means it is the cheapest made while
still meeting minimum contract specifications.

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On 2023-04-18, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
> sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:39:34 AM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad,
>>> but you can use apple music on the ipad.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on
>>> apple music without actually registering or subscribing to the
>>> service (not even a free trial)?
>>>
>>> For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums
>>> are available on apple music:
>>>
>>> https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298
>>>
>>> https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699
>>>
>>> Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
>>> tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to offer
>>> an overview of the music they have available.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can show a
>>> screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available in
>>> their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?
>>>
>>> That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
>>> streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
>>> those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely
>>> exploring their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has
>>> those albums.
>>
>> Ah, I see it's possible to browse the collection without any
>> subscription shenanigans.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/music-web/search-for-music-apdmca22e054/web
>>
>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
>> (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
>> doubtful).
>
> Neither of these albums are on Spotify either, which leads me to
> believe the artists chose to not make them available via streaming.
> Not some nefarious plot by Apple.

I'm betting you can't purchase to own this music from some retailers as
well. Apple has nothing to do with that either.

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On 8/2/23 6:28 PM, Wally J wrote:
> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote
>
>>> Steve should add that capability to re-install all the original apps to his
>>> comparison between Android and iOS since only Android autosaves the APK.
>>
>> So you don't like Apple--- fine. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
>
> Apple zealots think it's about "liking" Apple because that's how you think.
>
> You're a religious zealot who, for example, is a Muslim so you claim that
> anyone who says the truth about Mohammad(1) must not "like" your prophet.
>
> You're so religiously wedded to Islam that you think anyone who ever tells
> the truth must be an extreme danger to you - which is _why_ nospam lied.
>
> The truth is always dangerous to people who own purely religious beliefs.
>
>> What say you go buy yourself an Android and GTF off this newsgroup ;-)
>
> What I said was the truth about Apple.
> Steve also said the truth.
>
> On the other hand, nospam lied.
> Why?
>
> For you religious zealots, the truth is extremely dangerous.
> *You iZealots _hate_ the truth about Apple products*
>
> Worse... you hate anyone bearing the truth.
> You'll do anything in the world to make the truth about Apple just go away.
>
> Because Apple zealots fear the truth more than anything else in the world.

Most religions contend: We are right, everyone else is wrong, we are
better than you.

Sorta' sounds like your posts, eh what... ;-0

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"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."

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On 2023-09-20 10:42, candycanearter07 wrote:

> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
> even Windows does that.

Just costs more to keep the OS up to date if it has to support 32b as
well as 64b. So the runtime is larger, s/w testing is longer, etc. and
so on.

Apple transitioned from 32 to 64 over a period of 4 years beginning 10
years ago this month (iOS 7)[1]. More than enough time for app
developers to catch up. (In most cases it was just a re-compile
exercise, and in the rest easy enough to make required changes).

MacOS hung in there a little longer... to 2018 or 19.

Apple has long led the market in pruning out of date/dying technology to
strengthen the rest - whether h/w or s/w.

[1] Test/beta versions came out earlier of course.
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sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
>>> the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
>> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
>> album by every artist in their library.
>
> So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been
> released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
> million tracks?
> More like 40% or more like 80%?

Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small
independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been catalogued
either.

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On 8/2/2023 3:14 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:

<snip>

> What say you go buy yourself an Android and GTF off this newsgroup ;-)

The original poster in this thread posted the inquiry only on the
Android newsgroup. Then one of our favorite trolls cross-posted it to
other groups (and removed the Android group).

On iPhone and iPad there is a way to transfer an app from an old device
to a new device if the app is no longer available on the App Store. The
iMazing app (for Windows and MacOS) lets you do the app transfer between
two iDevices, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP5kXX7AIu4. Hopefully
this still works.

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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
>>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>>
>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>>
>> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>>
>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic fact.
>
> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
> even Windows does that.

Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.

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On 2023-10-01 22:05:14 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
> On 10/1/23 16:59, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-10-01 17:43, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 10/1/23 16:36, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-01 16:38, sms wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/2023 12:20 PM, Patrick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Damn Instagram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is it always the app that nobody uses that makes the iPhone overheat.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL, here are the iOS apps that are downloaded the most:
>>>>> 1. TikTok
>>>>> 2. Instagram
>>>>> 3. Facebook
>>>>> 4. WhatsApp
>>>>> 5. Telegram
>>>>>
>>>>> I did see a complaint that Instagram causes Android phones to heat up
>>>>> as well. It seems like Instagram will just use as much CPU power as it
>>>>> can get. This is not really a bug in Instagram, the operating system
>>>>> should be limiting the amount of resources that an app can consume.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.� The OS cannot tell if badly written software is doing
>>>> something useless driving up power consumption.
>>>
>>> The operating system controls thread scheduling and memory. They can
>>> just lower the apps priority if its past a certain usage percentage, or
>>> outright kill it.
>>
>> Some apps justifiably need a lot of CPU so the OS cannot do more that
>> allow the app / thread to run its time slice until the slice is over or
>> pre-empted by something with higher priority for which no other core is
>> available.
>>
>> Could one design an OS that applies the rule as you say?� Sure.� But
>> that is not the case in general purpose OS'.
>>
>> Could the OS detect race conditions and kill a thread (or several)?
>> Probably.� My example has no such possible state.
>>
>> And while my example might be trivial, there are cases where converging
>> on a solution with many variables can take a hell of a lot of CPU and
>> time.� And it's a very valid thing for a program to do.
>>
>> The main point is that OS' don't arbitrarily kill processes (or
>> throttle them) just because a given process is using a lot of CPU.
>
> At the very least, it should warn the user if a program is using a lot.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:41:30 PM UTC+2, Chris wrote:
> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
> >>> the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
> >> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
> >> album by every artist in their library.
> >
> > So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been
> > released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
> > million tracks?
> > More like 40% or more like 80%?
> Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small
> independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been catalogued
> either.

Well, assuming that music released for commercial reasons is typically produced in
larger quantities, you might pick some arbitrary minimal number like at least 500
copies being produced for sale (though perhaps these days with online distribution
that has kind of changed compared to the past when albums were released on
vinyl or cd).
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In article <uagvo6$su4v$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> On iPhone and iPad there is a way to transfer an app from an old device
> to a new device if the app is no longer available on the App Store. The
> iMazing app (for Windows and MacOS) lets you do the app transfer between
> two iDevices,

that's one method, except it doesn't work the way you think it does.

there are also several other options.

once again you are talking about things you do not understand.
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On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
>>>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>>>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>>>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>>>
>>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>>>
>>> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>>>
>>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic fact.
>>
>> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
>> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
>> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
>> even Windows does that.
>
> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.

Will it run a 32bit app?

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On 2023-10-01 23:04:06 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
> On 10/1/23 17:25, Alan wrote:
>>
>> There is a difference between not finding a particular issue in
>> particular circumstances and "forget[ting]" to test.
>>
>> Agreed?
>
> If so many people have this issue then it would've come up in testing.

So far, almost all the people reporting the issue have been reviewers,
many of whom by necessity of the job would be pushing the device to the
limit. There's also the likelihood that some reviewers also got early
production models so they could review the device.

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From: Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.mobile.ipad
Subject: Re: Steve's document is crap if it doesn't cover the fundamental difference between iOS & Android app backup & restore
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On 2023-04-19, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:41:30 PM UTC+2, Chris wrote:
>> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> >> On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
>> >>> (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
>> >>> doubtful).
>> >>
>> >> Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have
>> >> every album by every artist in their library.
>> >
>> > So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music
>> > that has been released in the past that is available through such
>> > streaming services offering 100 million tracks? More like 40% or
>> > more like 80%?
>>
>> Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small
>> independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been
>> catalogued either.
>
> Well, assuming that music released for commercial reasons is typically
> produced in larger quantities, you might pick some arbitrary minimal
> number like at least 500 copies being produced for sale (though
> perhaps these days with online distribution that has kind of changed
> compared to the past when albums were released on vinyl or cd).

Go ahead then. I'm not sure why you need to involve the rest of us in
your endeavor though, as this exercise seems to be a complete waste of
time.

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Subject: Re: How to move app from old phone to new phone?
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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>> He said "nobody wants it" and it's "not needed".
>
> I did not say that. I said that is the case for most people. Face it,
> an iPhone or Android or any other smartphone is a convenient appliance.

Please don't disagree with the truth about Apple.

All I'm saying is the truth about the iPhone, which, for the TOPIC of
moving an app from one phone to another, is completely brain dead for iOS.

> Does many useful, helpful and even amazing things for all of us - but
> it's not a thing most people want to waste a lot of time on the "care"
> of it.

What you are claiming is that the truth about Apple doesn't apply to you.

The truth is that iOS is brain dead when it comes to moving apps.

That you don't find them brain dead simply means you use them as toys.
And that's fine.

But I listed common things EVERYONE does (except on iOS) for moving apps.

> The few who do can do whatever they like and if that suits them best in
> Android or iPhone or elsewhere, then so be it.

You can repeat that you "like" that iOS can't do anything useful that
EVERYONE else easily does - but you can't say it's not the truth about iOS.
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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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On 2023-09-20 07:42, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced.  when it
>>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>>
>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>>
>> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>>
>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic
>> fact.
>
> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
> even Windows does that.

What do you mean "arbitrarily"?

Apple provides an up-to-date OS for devices up to 6 years old, and you
have no idea how much (or how little) effort it takes to make that happen.
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On 10/1/23 18:54, Your Name wrote:
> On 2023-10-01 22:05:14 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
>> At the very least, it should warn the user if a program is using a lot.
>
> At the very least the user should have enough brains not to use utter
> crap "Social Media" apps like Instagram.  :-p
>
>

While I don't disagree, they should still have some safeguards against
rouge apps.
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Subject: Re: Backups in iTunes
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