On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 08:23:09 +0200, Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it>
wrote:

>Ken Blake expressed precisely :
>> https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook-Touchscreen-Processor-NumberPad/dp/B0C2RC6Z1X/ref=psdc_565108_t2_B09QM394Y8?th=1
>
>trash it
>
>poor cpu

I know.

>poor ram

I know.

But both are probably adequate for my minimal planned use.

>you have time to become a grandfather waiting for the programs to load

I'm already a grandfather..

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 07:37:23 -0400, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net>
wrote:

>On 7/19/23 10:56 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook-Touchscreen-Processor-NumberPad/dp/B0C2RC6Z1X/ref=psdc_565108_t2_B09QM394Y8?th=1
>>
>> I usually travel with just a smart phone (which I use for e-mail,
>> browser, and Kindle books), but since this is small, light and
>> inexpensive, ($275.99 USD), I'm considering buying one for my upcoming
>> vacation trip to Rome this November. It's not necessary, but it would
>> be a convenience if it's not too big and heavy to lug around.
>>
>> But several questions, for anyone who knows more about this:
>>
>> 1. It comes with Windows 11S. I think I've read here that converting
>> 11S to 11 Home is free and easy to do, but not having a computer with
>> 11S, I don't pay attention. Is that correct?
>>
>> 2. It apparently has a number pad rather than a trackpad. Does that
>> mean that the touchscreen has to be used for mouse movements?
>>
>> 3. Does it have USB ports? Can I plug a mouse in and use that instead
>> of the touchscreen? If I have to use the touchscreen, I'm probably not
>> interested in it.
>>
>> 4. At that price it comes with a 256GB SSD, but instead it can be
>> bought with 128GB for $249.99. I would use it for almost nothing
>> except Thunderbird e-mail, Firefox, and a utility or two, so is 128GB
>> enough, or would it be worth spending the extra $50 for 256GB?
>>
>> 4. I assume that I could connect to the free Wi-Fi in the hotel I'll
>> be staying at. Is that correct?
>>
>> 5. With a Celeron CPU and only 4GB of RAM, I assume that it will be
>> slow, but my hope is that its speed would be adequate for Thunderbird
>> and Firefox. Any opinions on that?
>>
>> 6. Do you think it's a good choice or a bad choice? Can you recommend
>> something you thing would be better (but still small and light) at a
>> similar price. Perhaps the one at
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09QM394Y8/ref=pe_27562780_736464450_em_2p_2_lm?th=1
>> or one of those shown at "Compare with similar items" about halfway
>> down the page. Or some other brand.
>
>Long after the warm happiness of saving some dough has faded, you'll
>resent this under-powered device.
>
>Spend a couple of hundred bucks more and get yourself a decent laptop.

No, I'm not willing to. See my other messages in this thread.

>Since you can pay for an overseas vacation, you certainly can afford it ;-(

On 19/07/2023 15:56, Ken Blake wrote:
> https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook-Touchscreen-Processor-NumberPad/dp/B0C2RC6Z1X/ref=psdc_565108_t2_B09QM394Y8?th=1
>
> I usually travel with just a smart phone (which I use for e-mail,
> browser, and Kindle books), but since this is small, light and
> inexpensive, ($275.99 USD), I'm considering buying one for my upcoming
> vacation trip to Rome this November. It's not necessary, but it would
> be a convenience if it's not too big and heavy to lug around.
>
> But several questions, for anyone who knows more about this:
>
> 1. It comes with Windows 11S. I think I've read here that converting
> 11S to 11 Home is free and easy to do, but not having a computer with
> 11S, I don't pay attention. Is that correct?
>
> 2. It apparently has a number pad rather than a trackpad. Does that
> mean that the touchscreen has to be used for mouse movements?
>
> 3. Does it have USB ports? Can I plug a mouse in and use that instead
> of the touchscreen? If I have to use the touchscreen, I'm probably not
> interested in it.
>
> 4. At that price it comes with a 256GB SSD, but instead it can be
> bought with 128GB for $249.99. I would use it for almost nothing
> except Thunderbird e-mail, Firefox, and a utility or two, so is 128GB
> enough, or would it be worth spending the extra $50 for 256GB?
>
> 4. I assume that I could connect to the free Wi-Fi in the hotel I'll
> be staying at. Is that correct?
>
> 5. With a Celeron CPU and only 4GB of RAM, I assume that it will be
> slow, but my hope is that its speed would be adequate for Thunderbird
> and Firefox. Any opinions on that?
>
> 6. Do you think it's a good choice or a bad choice? Can you recommend
> something you thing would be better (but still small and light) at a
> similar price. Perhaps the one at
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09QM394Y8/ref=pe_27562780_736464450_em_2p_2_lm?th=1
> or one of those shown at "Compare with similar items" about halfway
> down the page. Or some other brand.
>
Not sure what you expected with this thread as you seem to have rejected
most of the advice. You might have been better off searching for a review.
https://www.digitweek.com/asus-vivobook-flip-14-tp470ea-as34t-review/

Ken Blake formulated the question :
>> poor cpu
>
> I know.
>
>> poor ram
>
> I know.

yup, bud did you ever ever used such a shame of computer?
I mean, you read on the web several times that W10/W11 are "playable"
only with a certain level of CPU and a reasonable amount of RAM, and
that minimum specifications by MS are a joke whenever you want to run
something more than calc or notepad

A comparison between CPUs, even if it's a desktop/mobile mix:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4675vs739vs3239/Intel-i5-12500-vs-Intel-i3-550-vs-Intel-Celeron-N4000

The first is my current pc (desktop), the middle one is my previous pc
(desktop too), TEN+ years old, that on the right is the N4000 Celeron

Anyway, “Cent co, cent crap… cent cu, dusent ciap” ;-)
make your choice and live happily

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On 7/20/2023 11:14 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 08:23:09 +0200, Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it>
> wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake expressed precisely :
>>> https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook-Touchscreen-Processor-NumberPad/dp/B0C2RC6Z1X/ref=psdc_565108_t2_B09QM394Y8?th=1
>>
>> trash it
>>
>> poor cpu
>
> I know.
>
>> poor ram
>
> I know.
>
> But both are probably adequate for my minimal planned use.
>
>> you have time to become a grandfather waiting for the programs to load
>
> I'm already a grandfather..
>

In some cases, these machines have soldered-down RAM for one slot
worth of RAM, plus they have a second SODIMM slot for upgrades.

This is not the case, if the CPU is so cheap, it actually has
a 4GB address limit.

That's why getting the model number, viewing a take-apart, can show
the upgrade slot.

Paul

On 7/20/23 11:16 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 07:37:23 -0400, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/19/23 10:56 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook-Touchscreen-Processor-NumberPad/dp/B0C2RC6Z1X/ref=psdc_565108_t2_B09QM394Y8?th=1

>>
>> Long after the warm happiness of saving some dough has faded, you'll
>> resent this under-powered device.
>>
>> Spend a couple of hundred bucks more and get yourself a decent laptop.
>
>
> No, I'm not willing to. See my other messages in this thread.
>

Like I said, you'll end unhappy with that dog.

Report back in three months ;-)

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