I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait

Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.

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In article <je2cnZPCRYXACP_4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
>
>I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>
>Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.

Isn't Android already "Linux for smartphones" ?

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On 11/25/2023 7:46 PM, bad sector wrote:
>
> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>
> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.

Why not build one. A screwdriver. Crazy Glue. Done.

https://www.instructables.com/Build-Your-Own-Smartphone/

"... 1 Person Made This Project!
NiOb made it!
Did you make this project? Share it with us!
"

*******

You could likely find an article on OS-level replacement.
There's too much advertising on this site, for comfort.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-smartphone-operating-systems/

Some of the phone-OS offerings, have a "list of supported phones",
which implies they've actually tested it.

Paul

On 26/11/2023 01.46, bad sector wrote:
>
> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>
> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.

Jolla provides SailfishOSX that can be installed on some Sony phones:
https://sailfishos.org

Pine64 has it's PinePhone and soon they release the PinePhonePro:
https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/

Volla Phone with Ubuntu:
https://volla.online/en/index.html

Don't forget Purism and their Liberty Phone (don't confuse this with the
MAGA phone with preinstalled malware):
https://shop.puri.sm/shop/liberty-phone/?wpam_id=79

That is what I can recall, of course you can use Android/Linux with some
addition to get it more Gnu/Linux like, but tend to let you only use
console apps.

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//Aho

On 11/26/23 02:31, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <je2cnZPCRYXACP_4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>
>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>
> Isn't Android already "Linux for smartphones" ?

AFAIK it just uses the kernel but I can't say much having just bought my
very first one. It has bugs, which is what made me ask, I mean if it's
gonna be buggy then why not pure Linux, no pun intended :-))

On 11/26/23 04:34, Paul wrote:
> On 11/25/2023 7:46 PM, bad sector wrote:
>>
>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>
>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>
> Why not build one. A screwdriver. Crazy Glue. Done.

Over my head, it's ME that's ...done :-)

> https://www.instructables.com/Build-Your-Own-Smartphone/
>
> "... 1 Person Made This Project!
> NiOb made it!
> Did you make this project? Share it with us!
> "
>
> *******
>
> You could likely find an article on OS-level replacement.
> There's too much advertising on this site, for comfort.
>
> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-smartphone-operating-systems/

I understand there's money helping out projects like Mozilla because of
the potetntial market involved, but when I think that these phones are
more than just poised to replace the computer (except for some
death-star desktops) then sooner or later soemone's bound to recognize
the potential.

> Some of the phone-OS offerings, have a "list of supported phones",
> which implies they've actually tested it.
>
> Paul
>
>

On 11/26/23 06:42, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 26/11/2023 01.46, bad sector wrote:
>>
>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>
>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>
> Jolla provides SailfishOSX that can be installed on some Sony phones:
> https://sailfishos.org
>
> Pine64 has it's PinePhone and soon they release the PinePhonePro:
> https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/

I like the dip-switches idea, actually I've always leaned toward hard
control of anything involving privacy from cameras right down to the
wifi and/or any/all other comm features.

> Volla Phone with Ubuntu:
> https://volla.online/en/index.html
>
> Don't forget Purism and their Liberty Phone (don't confuse this with the
> MAGA phone with preinstalled malware):
> https://shop.puri.sm/shop/liberty-phone/?wpam_id=79
>
> That is what I can recall, of course you can use Android/Linux with some
> addition to get it more Gnu/Linux like, but tend to let you only use
> console apps.

My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone is
not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one full
screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout where it could still
work but with more gymnastics ...flashes of my 1962 Healey-3000-Mk-II
and my foot stuck in the glove compartment or whatever shelf was there
:-))))

To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to dev. a
Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help out with a
few bucks and ideas. One thing I would think usefull is a quick-swap
dayjob/nightjob protocol that allows to switch to and from android (full
backup, Linux redo, factory-reset, recover from android backup, and such
both ways at will).

gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) :
> Isn't Android already "Linux for smartphones" ?

Actually, it's Googlinux for data harvesters.

Yrrah

gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:
> bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
>>I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>
>>Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>
> Isn't Android already "Linux for smartphones" ?

Yes. I think Ubuntu Touch and PureOS are trying to be that too (I’ve
never used either).

Trying to get away from Google makes sense, although de-Googling Android
may be a better option that starting from scratch (and there are
examples of that out there too). At any rate expecting a phone
environment to look much like desktop Linux is not particularly
realistic; the UI hardware is just too different and as such it doesn’t
make sense to expect the applications we use on desktop Linux to be
usable on a phone.

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On 11/26/2023 7:40 AM, bad sector wrote:
> On 11/26/23 06:42, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 26/11/2023 01.46, bad sector wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>>
>>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>>
>> Jolla provides SailfishOSX that can be installed on some Sony phones:
>> https://sailfishos.org
>>
>> Pine64 has it's PinePhone and soon they release the PinePhonePro:
>> https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/
>
> I like the dip-switches idea, actually I've always leaned toward hard control of anything involving privacy from cameras right down to the wifi and/or any/all other comm features.
>
>
>> Volla Phone with Ubuntu:
>> https://volla.online/en/index.html
>>
>> Don't forget Purism and their Liberty Phone (don't confuse this with the MAGA phone with preinstalled malware):
>> https://shop.puri.sm/shop/liberty-phone/?wpam_id=79
>>
>> That is what I can recall, of course you can use Android/Linux with some addition to get it more Gnu/Linux like, but tend to let you only use console apps.
>
> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout where it could still work but with more gymnastics  ...flashes of my 1962 Healey-3000-Mk-II and my foot stuck in the glove compartment or whatever shelf was there :-))))
>
> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help out with a few bucks and ideas. One thing I would think usefull is a quick-swap dayjob/nightjob protocol that allows to switch to and from android (full backup, Linux redo, factory-reset, recover from android backup, and such both ways at will).
>

You can get tiny fold-up Bluetooth keyboards.
These might normally be used with tablets, for input.

Perhaps one of those can be connected to a phone,
for character input ?

Paul

On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:

> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone is
> not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one full
> screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout

Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.

> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to dev. a
> Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help out with a
> few bucks and ideas.

The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on it.
Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes advantage
of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.

> One thing I would think usefull is a quick-swap
> dayjob/nightjob protocol that allows to switch to and from android (full
> backup, Linux redo, factory-reset, recover from android backup, and such
> both ways at will).

There was a phone that did support dual boot, just don't remember which
one it was, but in much a smart phone ain't anything else than a
computer which you can make phone calls with.

--
//Aho

On 26/11/2023 14.42, Yrrah wrote:
> gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) :
>
>> Isn't Android already "Linux for smartphones" ?
>
> Actually, it's Googlinux for data harvesters.

You have LineageOS and /e/OS as replacements if you don't want the full
tracking.

--
//Aho

On 11/26/23 10:40, Paul wrote:
> On 11/26/2023 7:40 AM, bad sector wrote:
>> On 11/26/23 06:42, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2023 01.46, bad sector wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>>>
>>>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>>>
>>> Jolla provides SailfishOSX that can be installed on some Sony phones:
>>> https://sailfishos.org
>>>
>>> Pine64 has it's PinePhone and soon they release the PinePhonePro:
>>> https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/
>>
>> I like the dip-switches idea, actually I've always leaned toward hard control of anything involving privacy from cameras right down to the wifi and/or any/all other comm features.
>>
>>
>>> Volla Phone with Ubuntu:
>>> https://volla.online/en/index.html
>>>
>>> Don't forget Purism and their Liberty Phone (don't confuse this with the MAGA phone with preinstalled malware):
>>> https://shop.puri.sm/shop/liberty-phone/?wpam_id=79
>>>
>>> That is what I can recall, of course you can use Android/Linux with some addition to get it more Gnu/Linux like, but tend to let you only use console apps.
>>
>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout where it could still work but with more gymnastics  ...flashes of my 1962 Healey-3000-Mk-II and my foot stuck in the glove compartment or whatever shelf was there :-))))
>>
>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help out with a few bucks and ideas. One thing I would think usefull is a quick-swap dayjob/nightjob protocol that allows to switch to and from android (full backup, Linux redo, factory-reset, recover from android backup, and such both ways at will).
>>
>
> You can get tiny fold-up Bluetooth keyboards.
> These might normally be used with tablets, for input.

I mentioned the fold phones only for an example,
I bougt a flip5 because it's going in my T-shirt
pocket (in time with a chain or something)

On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>
>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone is
>> not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one full
>> screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>
> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>
>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to dev.
>> a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help out with
>> a few bucks and ideas.
>
> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on it.
> Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes advantage
> of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.

my provider caters only to

Samsung
Apple
Google
Motorola
BYOD
TCL
Sonim
ZTE

>> One thing I would think usefull is a quick-swap dayjob/nightjob
>> protocol that allows to switch to and from android (full backup, Linux
>> redo, factory-reset, recover from android backup, and such both ways
>> at will).
>
> There was a phone that did support dual boot, just don't remember which
> one it was, but in much a smart phone ain't anything else than a
> computer which you can make phone calls with.

I wasn't thinking dual boot although that would be super. All in all
looks like I'll have to wait a while and keep my eyes peeled.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:26:00 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:
>> bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
>>>I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>>
>>>Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>>
>> Isn't Android already "Linux for smartphones" ?
>
> Yes. I think Ubuntu Touch and PureOS are trying to be that too (I’ve
> never used either).

I've removed Ubuntu-Studio from my stable and installed
Gentoo but that proved too much of an overhead so now
(seeing that I bought me a phone) PureOS sounds like a
good prospect to take its place; I'll kick it around and
get used to it before trying any sPhone stunts. Thanks
for the mention, DL-ing the 2gb iso already.

> Trying to get away from Google makes sense, although de-Googling Android
> may be a better option that starting from scratch (and there are
> examples of that out there too). At any rate expecting a phone
> environment to look much like desktop Linux is not particularly
> realistic; the UI hardware is just too different and as such it doesn’t
> make sense to expect the applications we use on desktop Linux to be
> usable on a phone.

Of course it sounds like a knuckle saver I mean
probably 3/4 is already there, but nobody's doing
it for some reason :-(

On 11/26/23 20:43, bad sector wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:26:00 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>
>> gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:
>>> bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
>>>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>>>
>>>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>>>
>>> Isn't Android already "Linux for smartphones" ?
>>
>> Yes. I think Ubuntu Touch and PureOS are trying to be that too (I’ve
>> never used either).
>
> I've removed Ubuntu-Studio from my stable and installed
> Gentoo but that proved too much of an overhead so now
> (seeing that I bought me a phone) PureOS sounds like a
> good prospect to take its place; I'll kick it around and
> get used to it before trying any sPhone stunts. Thanks
> for the mention, DL-ing the 2gb iso already.

Only after I started downloading did I pick THIS up on their site:

Will PureOS work on my Android/Windows phone?
Likely no.
You cannot install PureOS on your Android or Windows smartphone. There
are several reasons for this, but the most obvious ones are:

a) these devices cannot work without proprietary parts that PureOS does
not ship;

b) these devices won't work with the latest mainline kernel (system's
core) found in PureOS, they need older versions with proprietary parts;

c) even if you have a device that does not fall under a) and b), there
is still a decent amount of work needed to make it possible to install
and start on those devices.

I don't understand why they show a smart phone on the page, anyway now
that it's started I might as well try it out (I 'am' looking to replace
Ubuntu with _something_).

On 27/11/2023 02.21, bad sector wrote:
> On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>>
>>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone is
>>> not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one full
>>> screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>>
>> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
>> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
>> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>>
>>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to
>>> dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help out
>>> with a few bucks and ideas.
>>
>> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
>> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on
>> it. Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes
>> advantage of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.
>
> my provider caters only to

Those phones provided by a phone company tend to be more expensive and
more out of date. I prefer to pay for the phone I want to use and then I
pick phone company based on what services they can provide me that I'm
interested in, if they play nicely just switch to another one, often you
can get some bonus to switch company.

--

//Aho

On 11/27/23 09:13, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 27/11/2023 02.21, bad sector wrote:
>> On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>>>
>>>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone
>>>> is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one
>>>> full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>>>
>>> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
>>> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
>>> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>>>
>>>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to
>>>> dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help
>>>> out with a few bucks and ideas.
>>>
>>> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
>>> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on
>>> it. Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes
>>> advantage of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.
>>
>> my provider caters only to
>
> Those phones provided by a phone company tend to be more expensive and
> more out of date. I prefer to pay for the phone I want to use and then I
> pick phone company based on what services they can provide me that I'm
> interested in, if they play nicely just switch to another one, often you
> can get some bonus to switch company.

Sounds like a good idea, it's my first sPhone, loads to learn :-)

Maybe it's time for providers to brace themselves and get ready for
customers bringing not only their own phones but evey imagnable exotic
OS so that what they will HAVE to provide will be a tool-independent
SERVICE based on standards that hard/soft-ware devs comply with.

On 2023-11-27 17:13, bad sector wrote:
> On 11/27/23 09:13, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 27/11/2023 02.21, bad sector wrote:
>>> On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone
>>>>> is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one
>>>>> full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
>>>> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
>>>> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>>>>
>>>>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to
>>>>> dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help
>>>>> out with a few bucks and ideas.
>>>>
>>>> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
>>>> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on
>>>> it. Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes
>>>> advantage of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.
>>>
>>> my provider caters only to
>>
>> Those phones provided by a phone company tend to be more expensive and
>> more out of date. I prefer to pay for the phone I want to use and then
>> I pick phone company based on what services they can provide me that
>> I'm interested in, if they play nicely just switch to another one,
>> often you can get some bonus to switch company.
>
> Sounds like a good idea, it's my first sPhone, loads to learn :-)
>
> Maybe it's time for providers to brace themselves and get ready for
> customers bringing not only their own phones but evey imagnable exotic
> OS so that what they will HAVE to provide will be a tool-independent
> SERVICE based on standards that hard/soft-ware devs comply with.

The provider doesn't care a bit what phone you have or what OS it runs,
as long as it is a phone. If you insists with carrying a Cray X on
valves in a tow van and a diesel generator, fine.

Guess what? There is a standard, since ever.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 11/27/23 12:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-27 17:13, bad sector wrote:
>> On 11/27/23 09:13, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2023 02.21, bad sector wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone
>>>>>> is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one
>>>>>> full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
>>>>> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
>>>>> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>>>>>
>>>>>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to
>>>>>> dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help
>>>>>> out with a few bucks and ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
>>>>> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed
>>>>> on it. Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla
>>>>> takes advantage of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.
>>>>
>>>> my provider caters only to
>>>
>>> Those phones provided by a phone company tend to be more expensive
>>> and more out of date. I prefer to pay for the phone I want to use and
>>> then I pick phone company based on what services they can provide me
>>> that I'm interested in, if they play nicely just switch to another
>>> one, often you can get some bonus to switch company.
>>
>> Sounds like a good idea, it's my first sPhone, loads to learn :-)
>>
>> Maybe it's time for providers to brace themselves and get ready for
>> customers bringing not only their own phones but evey imagnable exotic
>> OS so that what they will HAVE to provide will be a tool-independent
>> SERVICE based on standards that hard/soft-ware devs comply with.
>
> The provider doesn't care a bit what phone you have or what OS it runs,
> as long as it is a phone. If you insists with carrying a Cray X on
> valves in a tow van and a diesel generator, fine.
>
> Guess what? There is a standard, since ever.

The AUTHORITY is/are my service provider/s, I've
started asking so it's just a question of time
before I get an answer directing me to visit
directly and without delay exotic and dark or
nirvanish regions.

On 2023-11-27, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-11-27 17:13, bad sector wrote:
>> On 11/27/23 09:13, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2023 02.21, bad sector wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone
>>>>>> is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one
>>>>>> full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
>>>>> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
>>>>> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>>>>>
>>>>>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to
>>>>>> dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help
>>>>>> out with a few bucks and ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
>>>>> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on
>>>>> it. Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes
>>>>> advantage of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.
>>>>
>>>> my provider caters only to
>>>
>>> Those phones provided by a phone company tend to be more expensive and
>>> more out of date. I prefer to pay for the phone I want to use and then
>>> I pick phone company based on what services they can provide me that
>>> I'm interested in, if they play nicely just switch to another one,
>>> often you can get some bonus to switch company.
>>
>> Sounds like a good idea, it's my first sPhone, loads to learn :-)
>>
>> Maybe it's time for providers to brace themselves and get ready for
>> customers bringing not only their own phones but evey imagnable exotic
>> OS so that what they will HAVE to provide will be a tool-independent
>> SERVICE based on standards that hard/soft-ware devs comply with.
>
> The provider doesn't care a bit what phone you have or what OS it runs,
> as long as it is a phone. If you insists with carrying a Cray X on
> valves in a tow van and a diesel generator, fine.
>
> Guess what? There is a standard, since ever.

Not always. My nephew's Pine Phone was shut down on AT&T because it wasn't
on their white list.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 11/28/23 05:20, RonB wrote:
> On 2023-11-27, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-27 17:13, bad sector wrote:
>>> On 11/27/23 09:13, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>> On 27/11/2023 02.21, bad sector wrote:
>>>>> On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone
>>>>>>> is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one
>>>>>>> full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
>>>>>> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
>>>>>> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to
>>>>>>> dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help
>>>>>>> out with a few bucks and ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
>>>>>> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on
>>>>>> it. Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes
>>>>>> advantage of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> my provider caters only to
>>>>
>>>> Those phones provided by a phone company tend to be more expensive and
>>>> more out of date. I prefer to pay for the phone I want to use and then
>>>> I pick phone company based on what services they can provide me that
>>>> I'm interested in, if they play nicely just switch to another one,
>>>> often you can get some bonus to switch company.
>>>
>>> Sounds like a good idea, it's my first sPhone, loads to learn :-)
>>>
>>> Maybe it's time for providers to brace themselves and get ready for
>>> customers bringing not only their own phones but evey imagnable exotic
>>> OS so that what they will HAVE to provide will be a tool-independent
>>> SERVICE based on standards that hard/soft-ware devs comply with.
>>
>> The provider doesn't care a bit what phone you have or what OS it runs,
>> as long as it is a phone. If you insists with carrying a Cray X on
>> valves in a tow van and a diesel generator, fine.
>>
>> Guess what? There is a standard, since ever.
>
> Not always. My nephew's Pine Phone was shut down on AT&T because it wasn't
> on their white list.
>

I'm almost certain (have asked but no reply so far) that my
provider (Telus) will be very particular about what phone I
may use. Still, the topic is timely and I'd like to read up
on it time permitting because the times they are a-changing :-)

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On 2023-11-30 at 08:50 AST, bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
> On 11/28/23 05:20, RonB wrote:
>> On 2023-11-27, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-27 17:13, bad sector wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/23 09:13, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>> On 27/11/2023 02.21, bad sector wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/26/23 10:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/11/2023 13.40, bad sector wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My fingers find my gaming keyboard too tight, 'console' on a phone
>>>>>>>> is not a good mix in my case. Might work on a fold-phone with one
>>>>>>>> full screen going keyboard but I prefer the flip layout
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe a Gemini PDA would be something for you?
>>>>>>> https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/gemini-pda
>>>>>>> not sure if it's possible to get hold of one nowadays.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To be quite frank I'm just itching to find a project that aims to
>>>>>>>> dev. a Linux OS cabable of running most any sPhone, I'd even help
>>>>>>>> out with a few bucks and ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main issue is that not all phones has an open bootloader, which
>>>>>>> makes it impossible to load anything else than what was installed on
>>>>>>> it. Sony do release phones with open bootloader, which Jolla takes
>>>>>>> advantage of when they promote SailfishOS to Sony phones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my provider caters only to
>>>>>
>>>>> Those phones provided by a phone company tend to be more expensive and
>>>>> more out of date. I prefer to pay for the phone I want to use and then
>>>>> I pick phone company based on what services they can provide me that
>>>>> I'm interested in, if they play nicely just switch to another one,
>>>>> often you can get some bonus to switch company.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a good idea, it's my first sPhone, loads to learn :-)
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's time for providers to brace themselves and get ready for
>>>> customers bringing not only their own phones but evey imagnable exotic
>>>> OS so that what they will HAVE to provide will be a tool-independent
>>>> SERVICE based on standards that hard/soft-ware devs comply with.
>>>
>>> The provider doesn't care a bit what phone you have or what OS it runs,
>>> as long as it is a phone. If you insists with carrying a Cray X on
>>> valves in a tow van and a diesel generator, fine.
>>>
>>> Guess what? There is a standard, since ever.
>>
>> Not always. My nephew's Pine Phone was shut down on AT&T because it wasn't
>> on their white list.

> I'm almost certain (have asked but no reply so far) that my
> provider (Telus) will be very particular about what phone I
> may use. Still, the topic is timely and I'd like to read up
> on it time permitting because the times they are a-changing :-)

One of my phones is on Telus. I have never seen anything to suggest they
care (well, it has to have the right radio protocols, a few years ago I had
to replace a very old phone because Telus was bailing out on CDMA).

So what makes you think Telus cares about the phone?

Jim

On 11/26/23 06:42, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 26/11/2023 01.46, bad sector wrote:
>>
>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>
>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>
> Jolla provides SailfishOSX that can be installed on some Sony phones:
> https://sailfishos.org
>
> Pine64 has it's PinePhone and soon they release the PinePhonePro:
> https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/
>
> Volla Phone with Ubuntu:
> https://volla.online/en/index.html
>
> Don't forget Purism and their Liberty Phone (don't confuse this with the
> MAGA phone with preinstalled malware):
> https://shop.puri.sm/shop/liberty-phone/?wpam_id=79
>
> That is what I can recall, of course you can use Android/Linux with some
> addition to get it more Gnu/Linux like, but tend to let you only use
> console apps.

Looks like F-Droid is it for the time being then, isn't F-Droid a
android fork?

Dahlia meanwhile is just a (barely) more marketable name than Fuchsia
and *IF* I understand correctly it's just as google and just as
closed-source.

On 06/12/2023 15.10, bad sector wrote:
> On 11/26/23 06:42, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> On 26/11/2023 01.46, bad sector wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll be 80 in a few months, don't have eternities to wait
>>>
>>> Just got my first sPhone with android, so I'm looking already.
>>
>> Jolla provides SailfishOSX that can be installed on some Sony phones:
>> https://sailfishos.org
>>
>> Pine64 has it's PinePhone and soon they release the PinePhonePro:
>> https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/
>>
>> Volla Phone with Ubuntu:
>> https://volla.online/en/index.html
>>
>> Don't forget Purism and their Liberty Phone (don't confuse this with
>> the MAGA phone with preinstalled malware):
>> https://shop.puri.sm/shop/liberty-phone/?wpam_id=79
>>
>> That is what I can recall, of course you can use Android/Linux with
>> some addition to get it more Gnu/Linux like, but tend to let you only
>> use console apps.
>
>
> Looks like F-Droid is it for the time being then, isn't F-Droid a
> android fork?

No, it's just an alternative appstore, it has repository of open source
applications which makes it's far from as many apps as on aptoide appstroe.

LineageOS is a for of Android based on the Android Open Source Project,
you will have to manually install it on your phone, not all phone models
are supported due of locked boot loaders and closed source binaries.

Check if your phone is supported: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

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//Aho