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by: Peter Jason - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 21:11 UTC

I have a new wider monitor.
Can I move the ribbon to the side?

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by: Shinji Ikari - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 21:43 UTC

Hello

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> schrieb

>I have a new wider monitor.
>Can I move the ribbon to the side?

Ribbon? Do you mean the Taskbar? No.
With Win10 it was possible.
With Win11 out of the box it is not possible. Maybe MS changes this in
the future...

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by: Paul - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 21:53 UTC

On 8/31/2023 5:11 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
> I have a new wider monitor.
> Can I move the ribbon to the side?
>

Change the TaskBar setting to "drop out of sight" when not being
used. Since the modern TaskBar is a pig and won't support custom
half-height anyway, this is a decent savings on vertical space.

I used to have my TaskBar set to half-height in W11, which was just enough
so my Virtual Machine screen would fit. But they took that away.

The TaskBar dropping out of sight, was an Apple invention, which
Microsoft copied. My G4 quad nostril machine used to do that.

*******

The Ribbon can be minimized by a double-click. That means it won't
be as useful, but it won't take as much vertical space. There's probably
a toggle from the keyboard for that (as you need to be able
to do the command twice, to toggle through both states).

*******

Some monitors rotate and they signal their rotation to the computer,
such that the NVidia driver knows the display should be rotated to
suit. By changing the monitor to 9:16 from 16:9, you can get
vertical space that way. This might have helped in situations
where single-page-display just wasn't large enough. But generally,
not worth the trouble. Placing two 9:16 side by side, makes a
kinda square workspace. The cooling vents on a monitor, are not
optimally placed for operation that way.

There is one monitor which is 16:18. South Koreans like their square
screens, and if they export one of their "homey monitors", it's a miracle,
as the marketing folks know that no other country is quite like that.
They also like a "pencil tray" on their equipment. I have no place
to store my pencils here. All I have is a nerd-pack.

That's about as close as you'd get to the 4:3 screen days.

A 16:10 monitor might have been better than a 16:9 monitor,
but their period of popularity has pretty well passed. (The users like
them, the manufacturers, not so much.)

Now we have silly stuff like 32:9 (super-wide) and 57" diagonal, which
is perfectly useless unless you design aircraft carriers for a living :-)

The 16:10 ones were generally 1920x1200 and could be driven (minimum)
by a dual lane DVI-D connector. The other connector standards could
easily drive something like that.

Paul

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by: jerryab - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:07 UTC

On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 17:53:15 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
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>A 16:10 monitor might have been better than a 16:9 monitor,
>but their period of popularity has pretty well passed. (The users like
>them, the manufacturers, not so much.)

Asus ProArt monitors are 16:10. Just got one a month or two ago.

$189-$199 at Micro Center and Amazon.

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by: Ken Blake - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 17:58 UTC

On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 23:43:27 +0200, Shinji Ikari <shinji@gmx.net>
wrote:

>Hello
>
>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> schrieb
>
>>I have a new wider monitor.
>>Can I move the ribbon to the side?
>
>Ribbon? Do you mean the Taskbar? No.
>With Win10 it was possible.
>With Win11 out of the box it is not possible.

Yes, out of the box it is not possible. But it *is* possible, using
one of several utilities, A web search should quickly find them

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by: Peter Jason - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 22:49 UTC

On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 17:53:15 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>On 8/31/2023 5:11 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
>> I have a new wider monitor.
>> Can I move the ribbon to the side?
>>
>
>Change the TaskBar setting to "drop out of sight" when not being
>used. Since the modern TaskBar is a pig and won't support custom
>half-height anyway, this is a decent savings on vertical space.
>
>I used to have my TaskBar set to half-height in W11, which was just enough
>so my Virtual Machine screen would fit. But they took that away.
>
>The TaskBar dropping out of sight, was an Apple invention, which
>Microsoft copied. My G4 quad nostril machine used to do that.
>
>*******
>
>The Ribbon can be minimized by a double-click. That means it won't
>be as useful, but it won't take as much vertical space. There's probably
>a toggle from the keyboard for that (as you need to be able
>to do the command twice, to toggle through both states).
>
>*******
>
>Some monitors rotate and they signal their rotation to the computer,
>such that the NVidia driver knows the display should be rotated to
>suit. By changing the monitor to 9:16 from 16:9, you can get
>vertical space that way. This might have helped in situations
>where single-page-display just wasn't large enough. But generally,
>not worth the trouble. Placing two 9:16 side by side, makes a
>kinda square workspace. The cooling vents on a monitor, are not
>optimally placed for operation that way.
>
>There is one monitor which is 16:18. South Koreans like their square
>screens, and if they export one of their "homey monitors", it's a miracle,
>as the marketing folks know that no other country is quite like that.
>They also like a "pencil tray" on their equipment. I have no place
>to store my pencils here. All I have is a nerd-pack.

Pencils and similar can be stored in a PET-plastic conical receptacle
of suitable size. The conical shape splays them out for easy
selection, and the transparent plastic makes the contents visible.
Glass is better because it's heavier and even more transparent.
>
>That's about as close as you'd get to the 4:3 screen days.
>
>A 16:10 monitor might have been better than a 16:9 monitor,
>but their period of popularity has pretty well passed. (The users like
>them, the manufacturers, not so much.)

My old monitor ( an old Benq) no longer showed some fine detail, like
the roads on Google maps. I lashed out for an AOC 31.5" 2560x1440
HDMI etc.
https://tinyurl.com/2xtupewo
So far it's performing well, though I have yet to get two apps at once
running on the screen.

>
>Now we have silly stuff like 32:9 (super-wide) and 57" diagonal, which
>is perfectly useless unless you design aircraft carriers for a living :-)
>
>The 16:10 ones were generally 1920x1200 and could be driven (minimum)
>by a dual lane DVI-D connector. The other connector standards could
>easily drive something like that.
>
> Paul

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by: Andy Burns - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:08 UTC

Peter Jason wrote:

> I have a new wider monitor.
> Can I move the ribbon to the side?

MS have said that the taskbar will be movable "in future" ...

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by: Ken Blake - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:58 UTC

On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:08:20 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
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>Peter Jason wrote:
>
>> I have a new wider monitor.
>> Can I move the ribbon to the side?
>
>MS have said that the taskbar will be movable "in future" ...

If you have a citation for that, please post it.

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by: Andy Burns - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:10 UTC

Ken Blake wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> MS have said that the taskbar will be movable "in future" ...
>
> If you have a citation for that, please post it.

I'm not an "Insider" but I've seen them discussing the option (probably
on Reddit) though apparently the only choices were top/bottom, not
left/right ...

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by: knuttle - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 20:19 UTC

On 09/03/2023 12:58 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>> I have a new wider monitor.
>>> Can I move the ribbon to the side?
>>
>> MS have said that the taskbar will be movable "in future" ...
>
>

Why can you not use the Setting, Taskbar, Taskbar Location on screen?

Has Window 11 moved this feature?

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by: Paul - Mon, 4 Sep 2023 03:04 UTC

On 9/3/2023 4:19 PM, knuttle wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 12:58 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a new wider monitor.
>>>> Can I move the ribbon to the side?
>>>
>>> MS have said that the taskbar will be movable "in future" ...
>>
>>
>
> Why can you not use the Setting, Taskbar, Taskbar Location on screen?
>
> Has Window 11 moved this feature?

The interface in the Settings is different in W11, from this.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/57280-change-taskbar-location-screen-windows-10-a.html

In W11, top and bottom was allowed for a while, then 22H2 removed it,
and it stays on the bottom, and can be centered or left justified while
on the bottom. That may also have been around the time my half-height
taskbar disappeared.

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/change-taskbar-location-on-screen-in-windows-11.155/

To add back "top and bottom" again, like 21H2 offered (with whatever amount
of effort), would not be much of an advancement. It would be an about-face,
and you know Microsoft does not do those well.

Paul

Re: Ribbon at the screen side?

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Subject	Author
Ribbon at the screen side?	Peter Jason
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Shinji Ikari
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Ken Blake
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Paul
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	jerryab
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Peter Jason
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Andy Burns
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Ken Blake
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Andy Burns
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	knuttle
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Paul
Re: Ribbon at the screen side?	Andy Burns