T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/18/23 03:23, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>> Same with the publishing of price
>> lists and other kinds of information as Microsoft Office
>> documents.
>
> I come across that occasionally. Kind of silly
> to think everyone have M$ Office.
>
> Both Libre Office and Free Office can read those.
>
> A few times I have come across M$ Office docs that
> folks got eMailed that they can not read with
> M$ Office. I got lucky and Libre Office was able
> to import them and read past the corruption(s).
> Docs may have been good and something was wrong
> with their M$ Office.

Probably because MS has removed support for pre-97 Office docs, which LO
still can read.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:23:30 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

>One interesting thing is that Visible told me to turn
>off Wifi when testing the phone, so that I would be
>sure about phone signal quality. I can't test wifi
>calling anyway, since I seem to have signal everywhere
>I've been so far. It will be interesting to see if I
>lose signal in the mountains between here and
>Bakersfield next time I go.

Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.

After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.

Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:
> Carlos E. R.L:
>
> > However, I do know some business that post whatsapp
> > numbers, not email.
>
> Which means they cannot be reached by honest means, but the
> customer must enlist as a slave into some proprietary
> communication system.

Nice rant, but no cigar, I'm afraid.

The WhatsApp number is a mobile phone number and hence you can call
them or/and 'text' (SMS) them, both of which methods are quite standard/
non-proprietary. Better luck next time.

Trust us (YTIU), WhatsApp works quite well on this side of the pond
and we don't need silly things like 'texting' or - worse - proprietary
*and* walled-garden iMessage.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:42:50 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
> It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
> call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.
>
> After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.

That's a good reminder, Char; thanks! I tried it just
now, and in airplane mode with wifi enabled I could
still make a call, and the connection was clear.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:52:24 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:42:50 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
>> It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
>> call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.
>>
>> After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.
>
>That's a good reminder, Char; thanks! I tried it just
>now, and in airplane mode with wifi enabled I could
>still make a call, and the connection was clear.

Great! In the general direction of Consumer Cellular, I say, "Was that so hard?"

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:41:56 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:52:24 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:42:50 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
> >> Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
> >> It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
> >> call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.
> >>
> >> After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.
> >
> >That's a good reminder, Char; thanks! I tried it just
> >now, and in airplane mode with wifi enabled I could
> >still make a call, and the connection was clear.
>
> Great! In the general direction of Consumer Cellular, I say, "Was that so hard?"

For a few years now, starting around 2020 and maybe or maybe not
connected with the pandemic, I've noticed that their customer service
people are courteous and mean well but are not otherwise very well
trained. It has not been unusual since then for me to contact two
reps and get wildly different answers to the same question. On Wifi
calling, it's been four reps with four wildly different answers,
which you wouldn't think would be possible. :-)

Anyway, that chapter of my life is over now. Thanks for your
encouragement!

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:42:50 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:23:30 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> > [quoted text muted]
> >calling anyway, since I seem to have signal everywhere
> >I've been so far. It will be interesting to see if I
> >lose signal in the mountains between here and
> >Bakersfield next time I go.
>
> Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
> It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
> call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.
>
> After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.

After my test call, I actually forgot to go out of airplane mode. On
a longish call with a friend later in the morning, I got a bit of
echoing from time to time. I twigged to having forgotten airplane
mode when I happened to look at my call history and saw the wifi icon
appeared on today's calls.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:05:08 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:42:50 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:23:30 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >calling anyway, since I seem to have signal everywhere
>> >I've been so far. It will be interesting to see if I
>> >lose signal in the mountains between here and
>> >Bakersfield next time I go.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
>> It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
>> call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.
>>
>> After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.
>
>After my test call, I actually forgot to go out of airplane mode. On
>a longish call with a friend later in the morning, I got a bit of
>echoing from time to time. I twigged to having forgotten airplane
>mode when I happened to look at my call history and saw the wifi icon
>appeared on today's calls.

Nice. If you had wandered out of WiFi range while on a call, the call would have
dropped because it wouldn't have been able to hand off to the cell network. Glad
you got everything sorted.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:01:46 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:41:56 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:52:24 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:42:50 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
>> >> Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
>> >> It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
>> >> call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.
>> >>
>> >> After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.
>> >
>> >That's a good reminder, Char; thanks! I tried it just
>> >now, and in airplane mode with wifi enabled I could
>> >still make a call, and the connection was clear.
>>
>> Great! In the general direction of Consumer Cellular, I say, "Was that so hard?"
>
>For a few years now, starting around 2020 and maybe or maybe not
>connected with the pandemic, I've noticed that their customer service
>people are courteous and mean well but are not otherwise very well
>trained. It has not been unusual since then for me to contact two
>reps and get wildly different answers to the same question. On Wifi
>calling, it's been four reps with four wildly different answers,
>which you wouldn't think would be possible. :-)
>
>Anyway, that chapter of my life is over now. Thanks for your
>encouragement!

You're welcome. I guess we were way off topic here but we made it without
suffering any arrows.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 02:36:16 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:01:46 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:41:56 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:52:24 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:42:50 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
>>> >> Just out of curiosity, I'd make it a priority to test the WiFi calling feature.
>>> >> It's very easy. Just enable Airplane Mode, then enable WiFi and try to make a
>>> >> call or send a text. You'll find out very quickly.
>>> >>
>>> >> After the test, just disable Airplane Mode to get back to normal.
>>> >
>>> >That's a good reminder, Char; thanks! I tried it just
>>> >now, and in airplane mode with wifi enabled I could
>>> >still make a call, and the connection was clear.
>>>
>>> Great! In the general direction of Consumer Cellular, I say, "Was that so hard?"
>>
>>For a few years now, starting around 2020 and maybe or maybe not
>>connected with the pandemic, I've noticed that their customer service
>>people are courteous and mean well but are not otherwise very well
>>trained. It has not been unusual since then for me to contact two
>>reps and get wildly different answers to the same question. On Wifi
>>calling, it's been four reps with four wildly different answers,
>>which you wouldn't think would be possible. :-)
>>
>>Anyway, that chapter of my life is over now. Thanks for your
>>encouragement!
>
>You're welcome. I guess we were way off topic here but we made it without
>suffering any arrows.

It would have been outrageous if you did. ;-)

On 2023-09-19 14:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:
>> Carlos E. R.L:
>>
>>> However, I do know some business that post whatsapp
>>> numbers, not email.
>>
>> Which means they cannot be reached by honest means, but the
>> customer must enlist as a slave into some proprietary
>> communication system.
>
> Nice rant, but no cigar, I'm afraid.
>
> The WhatsApp number is a mobile phone number and hence you can call
> them or/and 'text' (SMS) them, both of which methods are quite standard/
> non-proprietary. Better luck next time.

And anyway, everybody here has wasap already.

Besides that, email needs a computer, wasap just a phone :-p

What, phones come with email? Shhh, I know people that don't know that.

>
> Trust us (YTIU), WhatsApp works quite well on this side of the pond
> and we don't need silly things like 'texting' or - worse - proprietary
> *and* walled-garden iMessage.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.