Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
third-rate apps? No wonder linux struggles to get users.

On 26/12/2023 02.33, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
> third-rate apps?

For not all have the same experience with the same software, they may be
working better depend on hardware or system setup.

The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
included in the installer.

--
//Aho

On 12/26/2023 6:44 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 26/12/2023 02.33, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>> third-rate apps?
>
> For not all have the same experience with the same software, they may be working better depend on hardware or system setup.
>
> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is included in the installer.
>

I'm not buying the setup the OP implies.

inxi -F

I wanna see details of this "distro that has QMPlay2 packaged in it".

Example of an inxi output.

*******

bullwinkle@Cyclotron:~$ inxi -F
System:
Host: Cyclotron Kernel: 6.5.0-13-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: GNOME v: 45.1 Distro: Ubuntu 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur)
Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P9X79 v: Rev 1.xx
CPU:
Info: 6-core model: Intel Core i7-4930K bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 driver: nvidia v: 535.129.03
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.0 driver: X:
loaded: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa
gpu: nvidia,nvidia-nvswitch resolution: 1280x1024~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 535.129.03 renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080/PCIe/SSE2
Audio:
Device-1: Intel C600/X79 series High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: NVIDIA GP104 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
API: ALSA v: k6.5.0-13-generic status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 0.3.79 status: active
Network:
Device-1: Intel 82579V Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 22.73 GiB (2.4%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD1003FZEX-00K3CA0 size: 931.51 GiB
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 8 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) file: /swap.img
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 25.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 31 C
Info:
available: 62.72 GiB used: 1.58 GiB (2.5%) Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.29
bullwinkle@Cyclotron:~$

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:

>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>> third-rate apps?
> I wanna see details of this "distro that has QMPlay2 packaged in it".

+1.

"QMPlay2 is a video and audio player."
https://github.com/zaps166/QMPlay2

Curious Linux users can download an appimage if they want to try the
application. But why bother? There are first-rate alternatives.
I am a Linux Mint user. QMPlay2 is not even in the LM repos.

Yrrah

On 27/12/2023 20.21, Yrrah wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:
>
>>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>>> third-rate apps?
>
>> I wanna see details of this "distro that has QMPlay2 packaged in it".
>
> +1.
>
> "QMPlay2 is a video and audio player."
> https://github.com/zaps166/QMPlay2
>
> Curious Linux users can download an appimage if they want to try the
> application. But why bother? There are first-rate alternatives.
> I am a Linux Mint user. QMPlay2 is not even in the LM repos.

Version 23.10.22 seems to be marked as stable in Gentoo according to
zugaina.org:
https://gpo.zugaina.org/media-video/qmplay2

If the OP don't like it, he can just uninstall it and install another
media player, I do prefer mpv, but seldom I watch videos on my Linux
machines out over those seen from time to time on a browser.

--
//Aho

"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>:
> If the OP don't like it, he can just uninstall it and install another
> media player, I do prefer mpv,

SMPlayer, a front-end for both mpv and mplayer, and VLC come to mind.
Audio only: Audacious.

Yrrah

On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 26/12/2023 02.33, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>> third-rate apps?
>
> For not all have the same experience with the same software, they may be
> working better depend on hardware or system setup.
>
> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
> included in the installer.

It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?

Accommodatable integratables should NEVER be classified as dependencies.

In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>> included in the installer.
>
> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?

I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
wrong option for their usage.

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On 12/29/23 15:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>>> included in the installer.
>>
>> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
>> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
>> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
>> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?
>
> I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
> reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
> that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
> trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
> themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
> wrong option for their usage.
>

Maybe the OP didn't know much about QMPlay2 which was maybe bundled by
default, you didn't know what Plasma was. My point is that a dependency
should be something that an app cannot function without as opposed to
something that it can work with. In all cases more verbose descriptions
could help, there is after all (and fortunately) a very wide field of
choices. Needless to say calling some package a piece of shit don't
attract much help either :-)

On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>>> included in the installer.
>>
>> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
>> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
>> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
>> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?
>
> I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
> reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
> that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
> trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
> themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
> wrong option for their usage.
>

If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation, Linux
Mint is for you.
If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.

Only if you try and install random 3rd party code will you run into
dependency issues

--
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

On 2023-12-30 03:30, bad sector wrote:
> On 12/29/23 15:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>>>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>>>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>>>> included in the installer.
>>>
>>> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
>>> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
>>> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
>>> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?
>>
>> I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
>> reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
>> that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
>> trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
>> themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
>> wrong option for their usage.
>>
>
> Maybe the OP didn't know much about QMPlay2 which was maybe bundled by
> default, you didn't know what Plasma was. My point is that a dependency
> should be something that an app cannot function without as opposed to
> something that it can work with. In all cases more verbose descriptions
> could help, there is after all (and fortunately) a very wide field of
> choices. Needless to say calling some package a piece of shit don't
> attract much help either :-)

He is not interested in help, either. I have him filtered.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:

....

> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation, Linux
> Mint is for you.
> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.

I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
curious, not looking for rant :-)

>
> Only if you try and install random 3rd party code will you run into
> dependency issues
>
>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>> Linux Mint is for you.
>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>
> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
> curious, not looking for rant :-)

For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
Snap-packages suck apparently.
The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
The community is better.
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On 2023-12-30 20:11, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>>> Linux Mint is for you.
>>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>>
>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>
> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
> Snap-packages suck apparently.
> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
> The community is better.

But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 08:49:36 -0500, bad sector wrote:

> Why on earth do apps like kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so
> inextricably intertwined into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?

Because in the view of the developers, that was the best way to implement
it.

If you think there is a better way to do it, by all means code it up and
show us. Just like they did.

On 2023-12-30, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-12-30 20:11, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>>>> Linux Mint is for you.
>>>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>>>
>>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>>
>> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
>> Snap-packages suck apparently.
>> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
>> The community is better.
>
> But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?
>

I have been looking for the terminal utility, `cal'. As I am using
Debian, for that dist.

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Not even an .Influencer?

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>>
>> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
>> Snap-packages suck apparently.
>> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
>> The community is better.
>
> But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?
>
Mint uses Ub's repo/s and its own, and improves on Ub.

LM's flagship DE is Cinnamon; Ub's is Gnome. Ub LUVs Snap and uses it
'strongly'; LM eschews snap and its default eliminates it in favor of
providing a default Flatpak capability. LM has a number of useful
'minty' tools.

IMO Mint is a much better v of an Ub -based distro than Ub is; but of
course LM's success is based on how it is able to use the Ub repo/s. It
also does a good job of using the Deb repo/s for its LMDE version which
I prefer over the parent Deb. Ub has contributed a lot to being a
Deb-based distro.

Gnome is my least favorite DE; Cinnamon is one of my favorites.

--
Mike Easter

maus wrote:
> I have been looking for the terminal utility, `cal'. As I am using
> Debian, for that dist.

My LM has both cal and ncal commands by default, there is also a helpful
man cal entry.

--
Mike Easter

On 2023-12-30, maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

>
> I have been looking for the terminal utility, `cal'. As I am using
> Debian, for that dist.
>
>

It is part of the util-linux package.

On 2023-12-30, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
> maus wrote:
>> I have been looking for the terminal utility, `cal'. As I am using
>> Debian, for that dist.
>
> My LM has both cal and ncal commands by default, there is also a helpful
> man cal entry.
>
No, no `cal' or `ncal'

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Not even an .Influencer?

maus wrote:
> No, no `cal' or `ncal'

I can't find a 'wonderful' page that lists all of the 'core' utilities
which are found in util-linux package, but here is an Arch page

https://man.archlinux.org/man/cal.1.en

I booted a live Sparky which is based on Deb and it has util-linux in
its repo/s. but the description for the package doesn't list all of the
utils contained.

--
Mike Easter

On 2023-12-30, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
> maus wrote:
>> No, no `cal' or `ncal'
>
> I can't find a 'wonderful' page that lists all of the 'core' utilities
> which are found in util-linux package, but here is an Arch page
>
> https://man.archlinux.org/man/cal.1.en
>
> I booted a live Sparky which is based on Deb and it has util-linux in
> its repo/s. but the description for the package doesn't list all of the
> utils contained.
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Util-linux

tps://github.com/util-linux/util-linux/tree/master/misc-utils

Kirk_Rockstein wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>> I can't find a 'wonderful' page that lists all of the 'core' utilities
>> which are found in util-linux package,
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Util-linux
>
Ha. That's usually the first place I look. Doh.

If you don't have that package, you are missing a LOT of popular and
important core utils.

--
Mike Easter

On 2023-12-30, Kirk_Rockstein <Kirk_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> On 2023-12-30, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
>> maus wrote:
>>> No, no `cal' or `ncal'
>>
>> I can't find a 'wonderful' page that lists all of the 'core' utilities
>> which are found in util-linux package, but here is an Arch page
>>
>> https://man.archlinux.org/man/cal.1.en
>>
>> I booted a live Sparky which is based on Deb and it has util-linux in
>> its repo/s. but the description for the package doesn't list all of the
>> utils contained.
>>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Util-linux
>
> tps://github.com/util-linux/util-linux/tree/master/misc-utils

He is right! The Debian pkg does not have ncal/cal at all .. it is not included,
ncal/cal is a separate package by itself. cal being a softlink to ncal.
The version of util-linux I compiled/installed from source does have it.

root@aptosid:/home/kirk/bin# dpkg -L util-linux | grep bin
/bin
/bin/dmesg
/bin/findmnt
/bin/lsblk
/bin/more
/bin/mountpoint
/bin/su
/bin/wdctl
/sbin
/sbin/agetty
/sbin/blkdiscard
/sbin/blkid
/sbin/blkzone
/sbin/blockdev
/sbin/chcpu
/sbin/ctrlaltdel
/sbin/findfs
/sbin/fsck
/sbin/fsck.cramfs
/sbin/fsck.minix
/sbin/fsfreeze
/sbin/fstrim
/sbin/hwclock
/sbin/isosize
/sbin/mkfs
/sbin/mkfs.bfs
/sbin/mkfs.cramfs
/sbin/mkfs.minix
/sbin/mkswap
/sbin/pivot_root
/sbin/raw
/sbin/runuser
/sbin/sulogin
/sbin/swaplabel
/sbin/switch_root
/sbin/wipefs
/sbin/zramctl
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/addpart
/usr/bin/choom
/usr/bin/chrt
/usr/bin/delpart
/usr/bin/fallocate
/usr/bin/fincore
/usr/bin/flock
/usr/bin/getopt
/usr/bin/ionice
/usr/bin/ipcmk
/usr/bin/ipcrm
/usr/bin/ipcs
/usr/bin/last
/usr/bin/lscpu
/usr/bin/lsipc
/usr/bin/lslocks
/usr/bin/lslogins
/usr/bin/lsmem
/usr/bin/lsns
/usr/bin/mcookie
/usr/bin/mesg
/usr/bin/namei
/usr/bin/nsenter
/usr/bin/partx
/usr/bin/prlimit
/usr/bin/rename.ul
/usr/bin/resizepart
/usr/bin/rev
/usr/bin/setarch
/usr/bin/setpriv
/usr/bin/setsid
/usr/bin/setterm
/usr/bin/taskset
/usr/bin/unshare
/usr/bin/utmpdump
/usr/bin/whereis
/usr/sbin
/usr/sbin/chmem
/usr/sbin/fdformat
/usr/sbin/ldattach
/usr/sbin/readprofile
/usr/sbin/rtcwake
/sbin/getty
/usr/bin/i386
/usr/bin/lastb
/usr/bin/linux32
/usr/bin/linux64

Kirk_Rockstein wrote:
> He is right! The Debian pkg does not have ncal/cal at all .. it is not included,
> ncal/cal is a separate package by itself. cal being a softlink to ncal.
> The version of util-linux I compiled/installed from source does have it.

I booted Sparky live because it was the only Deb I had on that stick.
Sparky Deb installs both util-linux and ncal (which contains cal)
packages by default.

That isn't the way LM does it.

--
Mike Easter