Le 15/09/2023 à 19:20, Marco Moock a écrit :

>>> I know some aren't accessible without login (I can't test).
>> Wich one ? I can test, see my mail :)

> news.admin.net-abuse.email

I can see "news.admin.net-abuse.email.SpamScreamer", no message since
2010, and "news.admin.net-abuse.email.moderated", only one message from
2004, but no news.admin.net-abuse.email, this is strange.

Le 15/09/2023 à 19:20, Marco Moock a écrit :

>> Usenet is not dead but not popular because you get insulted all the
>> time, we need to find a balance :)
> I can't confirm that, at least for the technical groups.

Oh yes, technical groups is another world.

Am 15.09.2023 um 18:26:47 Uhr schrieb Eric M:

> I can see "news.admin.net-abuse.email.SpamScreamer", no message since
> 2010, and "news.admin.net-abuse.email.moderated", only one message
> from 2004, but no news.admin.net-abuse.email, this is strange.

At eternal-september, this group is available and discussions are there.
It is also listed in the official big 8 newsgroup list
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/Group_Lists/20230815

Am 15.09.2023 um 19:43:24 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> Cancelling anything from google would the perfect punishment.

Not all servers acknowledge these cancel messages.

Am 15.09.2023 um 19:45:21 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> I thought gopher bit the dust with the licensing fee!

Which licensing fee?
There are FOSS clients and servers available, the protocol itself is
described in an RFC.

On 9/15/23 11:27, Richard Harnden wrote:
> On 15/09/2023 16:45, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <ue1qf1$39hqa$4@dont-email.me>,
>> candycanearter07  <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/15/23 09:32, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <ue1ddk$34n3s$5@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Marco Moock  <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>>>> Am 15.09.2023 schrieb Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I hate to sound pessimistic, but i fear that Google may "solve" this
>>>>>> problem by simply taking down their Usenet service, permanently and
>>>>>> irreversibly destroying an unimaginably huge archive of internet
>>>>>> history.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fear that too, but simply not accepting any post from Google, but
>>>>> still allowing outgoing feeds to Google would be enough to "fix" the
>>>>> spam problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sad thing: Some people use Google Groups for legitimate posts and
>>>>> will not know that nobody can read them anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is why I will say find another newsserver as Google
>>>> is getting blackballed!
>>>>
>>>> Put in your sigs
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe from Google Groups as GG is getting depeered!
>>>
>>> Community deprecated, maybe?
>>>
>>
>> Google is doing a good job of using rope to hang themselves.
>>
>> GG seems to be a huge source of spam.
>>
>> Gmail too.
>
>
> "Google takes abuse of its services very seriously. We're committed to
> dealing with such abuse according to the laws in your country of
> residence. When you submit a report, we'll investigate it and take the
> appropriate action."
>
> Translation: "We will ignore it and do nothing"
>
> There is a lot of spam from the same email-addresses all posted within
> seconds - and the GG interface is nowhere near good enough to let a
> human post anything within minutes let alone seconds.  They could easily
> rate-limit - and that would mostly solve the problem.  Of course they
> don't care.  To them GG is just abandonware.  It generates no revenue,
> therefore they don't care.
>
>
>
>

Google has a lot of abandonware it seems..

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On 9/15/23 14:43, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <ue20m7$3aqu8$1@dont-email.me>,
> Richard Harnden <nospam.harnden@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15/09/2023 16:45, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <ue1qf1$39hqa$4@dont-email.me>,
>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> On 9/15/23 09:32, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article <ue1ddk$34n3s$5@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Am 15.09.2023 schrieb Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hate to sound pessimistic, but i fear that Google may "solve" this
>>>>>>> problem by simply taking down their Usenet service, permanently and
>>>>>>> irreversibly destroying an unimaginably huge archive of internet
>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fear that too, but simply not accepting any post from Google, but
>>>>>> still allowing outgoing feeds to Google would be enough to "fix" the
>>>>>> spam problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sad thing: Some people use Google Groups for legitimate posts and
>>>>>> will not know that nobody can read them anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why I will say find another newsserver as Google
>>>>> is getting blackballed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Put in your sigs
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsubscribe from Google Groups as GG is getting depeered!
>>>>
>>>> Community deprecated, maybe?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Google is doing a good job of using rope to hang themselves.
>>>
>>> GG seems to be a huge source of spam.
>>>
>>> Gmail too.
>>
>>
>> "Google takes abuse of its services very seriously. We're committed to
>> dealing with such abuse according to the laws in your country of
>> residence. When you submit a report, we'll investigate it and take the
>> appropriate action."
>>
>> Translation: "We will ignore it and do nothing"
>>
>> There is a lot of spam from the same email-addresses all posted within
>> seconds - and the GG interface is nowhere near good enough to let a
>> human post anything within minutes let alone seconds. They could easily
>> rate-limit - and that would mostly solve the problem. Of course they
>> don't care. To them GG is just abandonware. It generates no revenue,
>> therefore they don't care.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> REcall Google + ?

Yea, I actually used it back in the day (shock and horror).

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Am 16.09.2023 um 03:15:40 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> Gopher was a Uminn fee IIRC.

How did they enforce that?

On 9/15/23 22:16, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <ue2fa8$3d7f1$1@dont-email.me>,
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 9/15/23 11:27, Richard Harnden wrote:
>>> On 15/09/2023 16:45, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <ue1qf1$39hqa$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>> candycanearter07  <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/15/23 09:32, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>> In article <ue1ddk$34n3s$5@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Marco Moock  <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 15.09.2023 schrieb Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hate to sound pessimistic, but i fear that Google may "solve" this
>>>>>>>> problem by simply taking down their Usenet service, permanently and
>>>>>>>> irreversibly destroying an unimaginably huge archive of internet
>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I fear that too, but simply not accepting any post from Google, but
>>>>>>> still allowing outgoing feeds to Google would be enough to "fix" the
>>>>>>> spam problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sad thing: Some people use Google Groups for legitimate posts and
>>>>>>> will not know that nobody can read them anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is why I will say find another newsserver as Google
>>>>>> is getting blackballed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Put in your sigs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe from Google Groups as GG is getting depeered!
>>>>>
>>>>> Community deprecated, maybe?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google is doing a good job of using rope to hang themselves.
>>>>
>>>> GG seems to be a huge source of spam.
>>>>
>>>> Gmail too.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Google takes abuse of its services very seriously. We're committed to
>>> dealing with such abuse according to the laws in your country of
>>> residence. When you submit a report, we'll investigate it and take the
>>> appropriate action."
>>>
>>> Translation: "We will ignore it and do nothing"
>>>
>>> There is a lot of spam from the same email-addresses all posted within
>>> seconds - and the GG interface is nowhere near good enough to let a
>>> human post anything within minutes let alone seconds.  They could easily
>>> rate-limit - and that would mostly solve the problem.  Of course they
>>> don't care.  To them GG is just abandonware.  It generates no revenue,
>>> therefore they don't care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Google has a lot of abandonware it seems..
>>
>
> Imagine android as abandonware.

Probably not, android has a good reputation.

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On 9/15/23 12:21, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 15.09.2023 um 15:47:34 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
>
>> The web is a mess and web social media is not getting good press!
>
> Most websites are a mess because of webmasters wanting it that way.
>

The corporations want to be flashy and catch you with as many scripts as
possible :(

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On 9/15/23 10:42, Eric M wrote:
> Le 15/09/2023 à 16:42, candycanearter07 a écrit :
>
>> Wait, whats the fr.* hierarchy?
>
> It's the french-speaking hierarchy, groups beginning with fr.*, there
> are still people there :)

Oh ok, I can't speak french so

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On 9/15/23 10:46, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <ue1qkl$39hqa$6@dont-email.me>,
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>
>> I remember there was some archive of Usenet that was used in stuff like
>> teleha.ck? but agreed.
>>
>
> Are they still around?
>
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>

Yeah, teleha.ck is still up.

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Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Am 16.09.2023 um 03:15:40 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

>>Gopher was a Uminn fee IIRC.

>How did they enforce that?

There were two references cited on the Wikipedia page:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.infosystems.gopher/c/Qh9ip4gRjco/m/kaqs7s-LBosJ
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.radio.shortwave/c/L4hDGLQb9TQ/m/v96b56acXnMJ

The fee announced in February 1993 would have been collected for the use
of the gopher server at University of Minnesota, not the client. But users
were concerned that the University would attempt to collect the fee for
operating gopher servers on other networks. The University later changed
its mind, re-licensing under GNU public license in September 2000.

CERN didn't charge a fee to use http, but http wasn't an indexing scheme
and didn't enforce a logical hierarchy of documents. Gopher has real
advantages in logically organizing information but it's because
librarians and other information specialists were trying to think
logically about presenting the document hierarchy tree, something all
too often lacking at a Web site.

candycanearter07 wrote:

> Google has a lot of abandonware it seems..
>
> --

https://killedbygoogle.com/

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candycanearter07 wrote:

> On 9/15/23 22:16, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <ue2fa8$3d7f1$1@dont-email.me>,
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> Google has a lot of abandonware it seems..
>>>
>>>
>> Imagine android as abandonware.
>
> Probably not, android has a good reputation.
>

It does? I've never heard that—i've only heard that it's known to be
better than iOS, which is a bar so low that it's underground, yet despite
surpassing it Android still digs to do so by a lower margin than they need
to.

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Eric M wrote:

> Le 15/09/2023 à 16:33, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) a écrit :
>
>> Smae people who think usenet is dead are the same people who want to
>> kill or limit social media!
>
> Usenet is not dead but not popular because you get insulted all the
> time,
> we need to find a balance :)

Getting insulted all the time is pretty prevalent on web-based
communication conduits, even if not to the same degree as on Usenet
(arguable).

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Le 16/09/2023 à 17:04, Blue-Maned_Hawk a écrit :

> Getting insulted all the time is pretty prevalent on web-based
> communication conduits, even if not to the same degree as on Usenet
> (arguable).

It depends, on Twitter (or X) it's pretty much the same but on Mastodon
it's much more pacified. And Mastodon has multiple servers like usenet, so
it's not impossible.

On 9/16/23 09:56, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>
>> Google has a lot of abandonware it seems..
>>
>> --
>
> https://killedbygoogle.com/
>
>
>

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.
RIP Google Glass

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 9/15/23 10:42, Eric M wrote:
> > Le 15/09/2023 à 16:42, candycanearter07 a écrit :
> >
> >> Wait, whats the fr.* hierarchy?
> >
> > It's the french-speaking hierarchy, groups beginning with fr.*, there
> > are still people there :)
>
> Oh ok, I can't speak french so

Google Translate is your 'friend'! :-)

Yes, it can translate a Usenet group (provided Google Groups (oops!
:-)) carries it) and it can translate your text before posting. So yes,
you *do* speak french, you just didn't know it!

On 9/16/23 14:19, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 9/15/23 10:42, Eric M wrote:
>>> Le 15/09/2023 à 16:42, candycanearter07 a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Wait, whats the fr.* hierarchy?
>>>
>>> It's the french-speaking hierarchy, groups beginning with fr.*, there
>>> are still people there :)
>>
>> Oh ok, I can't speak french so
>
> Google Translate is your 'friend'! :-)
>
> Yes, it can translate a Usenet group (provided Google Groups (oops!
> :-)) carries it) and it can translate your text before posting. So yes,
> you *do* speak french, you just didn't know it!

Google Translate isn't perfect though..

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In article <ue5fd7$1ccp$21@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <pan$5083a$691ffda0$1c91695c$d6aade40@invalid.invalid>,
>Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Google has a lot of abandonware it seems..
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>https://killedbygoogle.com/
>>
>>
>
>Got you.
>
>I wonder if dejanews is part of that list!
>

More attacks on comp.lang.c , this time Thai based.

>>
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In article <ufhc3e$1thc$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <ue5fd7$1ccp$21@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>In article <pan$5083a$691ffda0$1c91695c$d6aade40@invalid.invalid>,
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Google has a lot of abandonware it seems..
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>>https://killedbygoogle.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Got you.
>>
>>I wonder if dejanews is part of that list!
>>
>
>More attacks on comp.lang.c , this time Thai based.
>
>>>
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>>
>>

It is so bad that 90+% is mostly junk from East Asia!
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