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From: lynnmcguire5@gmail.com (Lynn McGuire)
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by: Lynn McGuire - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 21:31 UTC

"Windows 11 is getting ReFS support: what it means for you?"
https://www.ghacks.net/2023/01/24/windows-11-is-getting-refs-support/

"Recent Windows 11 Insider builds include support for ReFS, the
Resilient File System. The file system is currently only available in
Windows server operating systems, but not in client systems. Could this
feature mean the end of NTFS? Is ReFS as safe as NTFS?"

Lynn

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by: VanguardLH - Thu, 26 Jan 2023 05:47 UTC

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Windows 11 is getting ReFS support: what it means for you?"
> https://www.ghacks.net/2023/01/24/windows-11-is-getting-refs-support/
>
> "Recent Windows 11 Insider builds include support for ReFS, the
> Resilient File System. The file system is currently only available in
> Windows server operating systems, but not in client systems. Could this
> feature mean the end of NTFS? Is ReFS as safe as NTFS?"

Microsoft has tried to switch to a databased file system for a while. I
remember when they promised such a file system for Windows 7, but it
never appeared. Don't remember what they called it (wasn't ReFS, but
maybe they had a different name for workstation file system versus
implementation on server hosts). Could be ReFS was their modified
approach to a full-databased file system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReFS
"ReFS uses B+ trees for all on-disk structures, including all metadata
and file data.[2][8] Metadata and file data are organized into tables
similar to a relational database."

The problem I see is the lack of ReFS in all the drive tools. How many
partitioning tools (often needed as replacement for Disk Management in
Windows) support ReFS? What about backup programs that incorporate NTFS
journaling to ensure data integrity? Does ReFS support VSS (Volume
Shadow Copy) to allow backups without interference with locked files?

"ReFS lacks support for several important features that NTFS supports.
Major features that are missing include file system compression and
encryption support, support for disk quotas and removable media, or
booting."

That means file-level encryption is lost, and so is volume-level
encryption (e.g., BitLocker). That's important to businesses that want
to secure their data, especially on laptops given to employees for use
during travel or home-use. BitLocker (and Windows 11) want a TPM chip,
or BIOS firmware, like Intel's PTT (Platform Trust Technology) to
emulate a TPM chip. I don't know if ReFS wants TPM (chip or firmware).

Most of the advanced features that are getting ReFS are not applicable
on workstations, only on servers. Not sure why Microsoft wants to bring
ReFS to workstations.

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by: Computer Nerd Kev - Thu, 26 Jan 2023 21:47 UTC

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
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> The problem I see is the lack of ReFS in all the drive tools. How many
> partitioning tools (often needed as replacement for Disk Management in
> Windows) support ReFS? What about backup programs that incorporate NTFS
> journaling to ensure data integrity? Does ReFS support VSS (Volume
> Shadow Copy) to allow backups without interference with locked files?

Worse for me: there's no reverse-engineered Linux driver for it yet,
like ntfs-3g, so if someone hands me a drive formatted with ReFS I
won't be able to read it. I'm guessing Mac users might have similar
issues.

Of course I don't expect M$ to care about that.

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by: Marco Moock - Fri, 27 Jan 2023 20:48 UTC

Am 25.01.2023 um 15:31:47 Uhr schrieb Lynn McGuire:

> "Recent Windows 11 Insider builds include support for ReFS, the
> Resilient File System. The file system is currently only available in
> Windows server operating systems, but not in client systems. Could
> this feature mean the end of NTFS? Is ReFS as safe as NTFS?"

I don't think it is the end of NTFS. NTFS will be supported for the
next ~10 years, think about all the drives with NTFS file systems.
Maybe Windows can't boot from NTFS anymore, like Vista did with FAT.

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by: Marco Moock - Fri, 27 Jan 2023 20:49 UTC

Things equal to nothing else are equal to each other.

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Subject	Author
"Windows 11 is getting ReFS support: what it means for you?"	Lynn McGuire
"Windows 11 is getting ReFS support: what it means for you?"	VanguardLH
"Windows 11 is getting ReFS support: what it means for you?"	Computer Nerd Kev
"Windows 11 is getting ReFS support: what it means for you?"	Marco Moock
"Windows 11 is getting ReFS support: what it means for you?"	Marco Moock