OK, let's get this over first, I currently use Windows 10 and Visual
Studio 2008 (later versions introduce new bugs as well as carrying forward
old ones).

For anybody still reading I want to make the move to Linux, Windows 11 is
a step too far for me, I have tried Ubuntu and it does pretty well all I
need. However, my main interest in my old age is programming and the
Visual Studio IDE suits me perfectly.

I have been searching for an equivalent for Linux but I'm not sure there
is one. My apps tend to be Windows Forms apps (to become Linux GUI apps)
and the ease of designing a form in Visual Studio is brilliant. Once the
form is designed then writing the code is what keeps my grey cells working.

Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux? I know VS Code exists but
that's a coder's text editor rather than a GUI as far as I can see.

Any suggestions appreciated, including pointers to more appropriate places
to ask.

Many thanks.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

On 2024-02-05, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> OK, let's get this over first, I currently use Windows 10 and Visual
> Studio 2008 (later versions introduce new bugs as well as carrying
> forward old ones).
>
> For anybody still reading I want to make the move to Linux, Windows 11 is
> a step too far for me, I have tried Ubuntu and it does pretty well all I
> need. However, my main interest in my old age is programming and the
> Visual Studio IDE suits me perfectly.
> [...]
> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux?

Not really -- there was never a "Visual Basic" for Linux. The closest
(which still may be quite far away) would potentially be Gambas[1] --
but realistically, no matter what way you go, chances are you're going
to be needing to learn a different paradigm from what you're familiar
with.

[1]https://gambas.sourceforge.net

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On 05/02/2024 12.32, Jeff Gaines wrote:

> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux? I know VS Code exists
> but that's a coder's text editor rather than a GUI as far as I can see.

If going native MonoDevelop would be the closest thing, sadly the
development of it has suffered as it's switched focus from being for all
OS to be more specific OSX, so most Linux distributions don't supply it
anymore.

With Visual Studio 2008 there been some luck to run it with help of
WINE, maybe not all functionality there or has some instability issues.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=892

Visual Studio Code has a Linux native version, sure you can't compare it
with Visual Studio, but with some tweaking you may be able to do what
you want to do.
https://code.visualstudio.com

Some of the Linux native IDEs that can somewhat compete with Visual
Studio would be Eclipse or/and IntelliJ IDEA, both of them have
originally been written for Java/Android development, but with plug-ins
they support other languages too.
My experience is that Eclipse is more CPU heavy than IntelliJ IDEA.
https://www.eclipse.org
https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

For C/C++ maybe CodeLite could be something, I never used it myself, so
I don't have any opinion about it, but seems to be recommended by some
people and if you use a lot of different languages you may have to
consider to have different IDEs for different languages.
https://codelite.org

I do recommend you check the distros repository for the applications or
add an official third party repositories instead of manually downloading
and installing applications, as you want to get security updates when
you do system updates and also less risk that an update breaks your IDE.

--
//Aho

Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> I currently use Windows 10 and Visual Studio 2008
>
> my main interest in my old age is programming and the Visual Studio
> IDE suits me perfectly.
>
> I have been searching for an equivalent for Linux but I'm not sure
> there is one. My apps tend to be Windows Forms apps (to become Linux
> GUI apps) and the ease of designing a form in Visual Studio is
> brilliant. Once the form is designed then writing the code is what
> keeps my grey cells working.
>
> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux? I know VS Code exists
> but that's a coder's text editor rather than a GUI as far as I can
> see.
>
Unlike others who have commented here; I'm not a coder and I know
nothing about this; but I was prompted to read a few articles:

Compare VS Code to Visual Studio (wp says 'not to be confused')
https://www.turing.com/kb/ultimate-guide-visual-studio-vs-visual-studio-code
> Your Ultimate Guide To Visual Studio vs Visual Studio Code

GUI/ui for VS Code:
https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/userinterface
> User Interface

Apparently the UI of Visual Studio itself has evolved a great deal from
2008 to 2023.
https://levelup.gitconnected.com/a-first-look-at-the-new-visual-studio-user-interface-6920db2c6db9
> A First Look At The New Visual Studio User Interface

--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> Unlike others who have commented here; I'm not a coder and I know
> nothing about this;

After I get back from my walk (hopefully not get rained on), I may watch
this 22 min YT vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n9C325aRSA
> Introduction to Visual Studio 2008
>
> 22,227 views

--
Mike Easter

Jeff Gaines wrote:
> My apps tend to be Windows Forms apps (to become Linux GUI apps) and the
> ease of designing a form in Visual Studio is brilliant. Once the form is
> designed then writing the code is what keeps my grey cells working.

I found another YT vid after the intro one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGcUgOnL7jY
> VS2008 Create and Save a Windows Form Application

VS has a project template for creating a windows form in visual basic,
so I looked at another article:

https://bytescout.com/blog/visual-studio-vs-visual-basic.html
>
> What is Visual Basic and VB.NET

> What is Visual Studio?

> Visual Studio vs Visual Basic: Pros

> Visual Studio vs Visual Basic: Cons

> Visual Studio Code vs Visual Studio

This whole biz is VERY MS-centric.

If 'forms' is what you are after, and you *really* want to go linux, I
think I would forget about where you are coming from, such as creating
visual basic Windows forms via the Visual Studio create forms template
and see if folks here can talk about some graphical linux IDEs for
creating linux forms.

--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> Unlike others who have commented here; I'm not a coder and I know
> nothing about this; but I was prompted to read a few articles:

And, here is a Quora discussion about our topic thread:

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-an-IDE-for-Linux-that-has-a-nice-GUI-similar-to-Visual-Studio-or-XCode

> Is there an IDE for Linux that has a nice GUI similar to Visual
> Studio or XCode?

> Is there a very strong IDE like Visual Studio for Linux systems?

> Coming from many years of Windows + Visual Studio background, what is
> the most suitable Linux Python IDE for someone?

Example of a comment 1 y ago:

> What are some alternatives to Visual Studio for Linux (Ubuntu)?
>
> There are several alternatives to Visual Studio that can be used for
> Linux (Ubuntu) development:
>
> Eclipse: A popular open-source Integrated Development Environment
> (IDE) that supports a wide range of programming languages, including
> C++, Java, and Python. Code::Blocks: An open-source, cross-platform
> IDE that is specifically designed for C++ development. Qt Creator: A
> cross-platform IDE that is specifically designed for developing
> Qt-based applications. Anjuta: A versatile open-source IDE that
> supports a wide range of programming languages and features a GTK+
> based user interface. KDevelop: A free, open-source IDE that supports
> a wide range of programming languages and features a user-friendly
> interface. NetBeans: A free, open-source IDE that supports a wide
> range of programming languages and features a user-friendly interface
> and support for various development frameworks. Geany: A lightweight,
> open-source IDE that supports a wide range of programming languages
> and features a user-friendly interface. Sublime Text: A popular and
> powerful text editor, it has a wide range of plugins and packages
> that are available to use and that can be used as a full-fledged
> IDE.
>
> These are some of the alternatives which are widely used and have a
> strong community support. It's important to note that the choice of
> an IDE depends on the specific requirements of the project, and the
> developer's personal preference

--
Mike Easter

Dan Purgert wrote:

> On 2024-02-05, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>> OK, let's get this over first, I currently use Windows 10 and Visual
>> Studio 2008 (later versions introduce new bugs as well as carrying
>> forward old ones).
>>
>> For anybody still reading I want to make the move to Linux, Windows 11 is
>> a step too far for me, I have tried Ubuntu and it does pretty well all I
>> need. However, my main interest in my old age is programming and the
>> Visual Studio IDE suits me perfectly.
>> [...]
>> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux?
>
> Not really -- there was never a "Visual Basic" for Linux. The closest
> (which still may be quite far away) would potentially be Gambas[1] --
> but realistically, no matter what way you go, chances are you're going
> to be needing to learn a different paradigm from what you're familiar
> with.
>
>
> [1]https://gambas.sourceforge.net

Visual Studio != Visual Basic

Even if it was, Xojo is a good replacement, if one wanted to stick with a
BASIC-alike and didn't mind spending money.

https://www.xojo.com/

(And there are numerous projects that have had various levels of success in
replicating VB on *nix systems -- see, for example, https://kbasic.org/ and
family.)

But I believe Jeff is seeking a RAD system similar to Visual Studio and not
just a programmer's editor. (I can make no suggestions, since my *nix apps
are almost exclusively for the terminal.)

--
Whenever they say "nobody wants to,"
whatever they say next is what they're going to do
the moment they think they can get away with it.

Mike Easter wrote:
> I'm not a coder and I know
> nothing about this;

So, as a basic beginner coder who /needs/ to learn a programming
language AND wants a GUI to 'make' something, such as a form...

.... my language choice would be python, not basic; my GUI python IDE
would depend on what I was doing; there are a number, like PyCharm,
Python Tkinter

https://pub.towardsai.net/create-a-simple-user-form-with-python-and-tkinter-in-5-minutes-a-beginners-guide-bb87b86820cb

> Create a Simple User Form with Python and Tkinter in 5 Minutes -A Beginner’s Guide

https://realpython.com/python-ides-code-editors-guide/

> Introduction to IDEs and Code Editors
>
> Requirements for a Good Python Coding Environment
>
> General Editors and IDEs with Python Support
> Visual Studio Code
> Eclipse + PyDev
> Sublime Text
> GNU Emacs
> Vi / Vim
> Visual Studio
>
> Python-Specific Editors and IDEs
> PyCharm
> Spyder
> Thonny
>
> Key Takeaways
>
https://blog.tooljet.com/python-gui-framework/
> Choosing the Right Python GUI Framework: A Complete Guide

(discusses 5 w/ pro/s & con/s)

--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> ... my language choice would be python, not basic;

The beginning of this discussion is about python vs visual basic:

https://stackshare.io/stackups/python-vs-visual-basic#decisions

> Python vs Visual Basic

I'm 'assuming' that the 'product' from the Visual Studio 2008 creation
of a Windows form would be the result of using the Visual Studio create
project via a form project template which language would (therefore) be
visual basic; but I don't actually know that because I haven't actually
seen inside the program and its product.

To me, the 'baby' coder (with years of experience using his limited
coding skills) who wants to change his platform which includes change of
philosophy and tools can easily accomplish the hurdle to learning
another extremely popular coding language including with beginners and
its interfaces, which are *numerous*.

It is going to be quite different; but I don't think it would be that hard.

--
Mike Easter

On 05/02/2024 in message <xn0ohpp1map2jvm00y@news.individual.net> Jeff
Gaines wrote:

>Any suggestions appreciated, including pointers to more appropriate places
>to ask.

Many thanks for all the input :-)

The VS2008 IDE just makes it really easy to put a form together with
buttons, labels, text boxes etc. and get the layout right. I use C# but
the principle is the same for VB Net (and it's still the VB guys who push
the boundaries to a great extent).

First step is I have loaded Ventoy up with Ubuntu-MATE, Mint Cinnamon and
Mint MATE and I'm having a good play. It's a Dell Precision M6800 laptop
with a decent spec (i7 of some sort) and its only issue is the power
socket is loose.

Once I find the right distro (Ubuntu-MATE is looking good) I will start
looking at programming tools.

Thanks again!

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If Björn & Benny had been called Syd and Dave then ABBA would have been
called ASDA.

On 06/02/2024 13.21, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 05/02/2024 in message <xn0ohpp1map2jvm00y@news.individual.net> Jeff
> Gaines wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions appreciated, including pointers to more appropriate
>> places to ask.
>
> Many thanks for all the input :-)
>
> The VS2008 IDE just makes it really easy to put a form together with
> buttons, labels, text boxes etc. and get the layout right. I use C# but
> the principle is the same for VB Net (and it's still the VB guys who
> push the boundaries to a great extent).
>
> First step is I have loaded Ventoy up with Ubuntu-MATE, Mint Cinnamon
> and Mint MATE and I'm having a good play. It's a Dell Precision M6800
> laptop with a decent spec (i7 of some sort) and its only issue is the
> power socket is loose.
>
> Once I find the right distro (Ubuntu-MATE is looking good) I will start
> looking at programming tools.

If you want to make more Linux native applications then you need to look
at GtkSharp or qtdotnet as winform is just limited to one OS while the
others are multi-OS supported.

--
//Aho

On 06/02/2024 in message <l2eus5Fn5jrU1@mid.individual.net> J.O. Aho wrote:

>If you want to make more Linux native applications then you need to look
>at GtkSharp or qtdotnet as winform is just limited to one OS while the
>others are multi-OS supported.

Looks interesting, thank you :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
This joke was so funny when I heard it for the first time I fell of my
dinosaur.

Jeff Gaines wrote:
> First step is I have loaded Ventoy up with Ubuntu-MATE, Mint Cinnamon
> and Mint MATE and I'm having a good play.

I like all of those; I LUV Ventoy; of the Ubs, they do a nice MATE. LM
Cinn is my everyday driver which I like better than their Mate.

I prefer LM significantly over its forbear Ub. LMDE the deb edition is
also nice for a Deb.

For Debs, Sparky also makes a nice crop. If you like KDE, Neon is great
over Ub.

--
Mike Easter

On 05/02/24 12:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> OK, let's get this over first, I currently use Windows 10
> and Visual Studio 2008 (later versions introduce new bugs as
> well as carrying forward old ones).
>
> For anybody still reading I want to make the move to Linux,
> Windows 11 is a step too far for me, I have tried Ubuntu and
> it does pretty well all I need. However, my main interest in
> my old age is programming and the Visual Studio IDE suits me
> perfectly.
>
> I have been searching for an equivalent for Linux but I'm
> not sure there is one. My apps tend to be Windows Forms apps
> (to become Linux GUI apps) and the ease of designing a form
> in Visual Studio is brilliant. Once the form is designed
> then writing the code is what keeps my grey cells working.
>
> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux?

the answer that I can propose is : partially :\

The IDE in itself is replaceable by, for example, Visual
Studio Code (also community edition), and Codium (the
de-microsoftized version).
Another very powerful IDE is QT Creator (different, but not
quite inferior to the outstanding Visual Studio .... yes, I
used to love it too).

The actual problem is another : the underlying framework.

VS is native with full .net framework, that is the real hard
part to know and work with.

Migrating on linux has two choices.
One conservative, rather frustrating (based on "Mono", the
porting of .NET on Linux), adopted by many ide, among which
Eclipse
One very time consuming, based on native linux frameworks
(there each Ide carries its own, and there are a lot).

Now the language could even be the same (i.g. C++), but
nothing would work as before, since the libraries, objects
and class hierarchy, would be difference, and this means 1)
learn the new target system libraries, 2) rewrite almost
from scratch the programs.

I used to code in Visual Basic, now I use gambas.
I must say rather often I am no longer able to replicate the
same things as before.
I must also say now I do different things I was unable to do
that times.
And I'm quite still learning gambas components and their
behaviour (recently I discovered poppler for PDF
manipulation and XML management that is really powerful, and
also a web engine that is almost a packetized version of
chrome !).

The transition is painful, yes.

> I know VS
> Code exists but that's a coder's text editor rather than a
> GUI as far as I can see.

VS Code is very complex and shapeless, in the sense it is so
highly configurable and extensible by uncountable plugins
that is fit for everything you learn to do with it. It is
really much more than an editor, also a web server for LIVE
JS programing if you learn to use the plugins.
It is a true ide since it is semantically competent and the
"intellisense" understands the syntax (a lot many of them).

Eclipse is an (very heavy !) RAD IDE, also flexible.
In C families I find it better QT Creator. Unbelievable they
still offer it for free, even if it is a "lite" version (its
"lite"-ness is only a definition, largely surdimensioned for
my needs, I cannot even imagine the bonus they offer for
paid versions).

>
> Any suggestions appreciated, including pointers to more
> appropriate places to ask.
>
> Many thanks.
>

--
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
MarioCPPP

On 05/02/24 20:20, Auric__ wrote:
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-05, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, let's get this over first, I currently use Windows 10 and Visual
>>> Studio 2008 (later versions introduce new bugs as well as carrying
>>> forward old ones).
>>>
>>> For anybody still reading I want to make the move to Linux, Windows 11 is
>>> a step too far for me, I have tried Ubuntu and it does pretty well all I
>>> need. However, my main interest in my old age is programming and the
>>> Visual Studio IDE suits me perfectly.
>>> [...]
>>> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux?
>>
>> Not really -- there was never a "Visual Basic" for Linux. The closest
>> (which still may be quite far away) would potentially be Gambas[1] --
>> but realistically, no matter what way you go, chances are you're going
>> to be needing to learn a different paradigm from what you're familiar
>> with.
>>
>>
>> [1]https://gambas.sourceforge.net
>
> Visual Studio != Visual Basic
>
> Even if it was, Xojo is a good replacement, if one wanted to stick with a
> BASIC-alike and didn't mind spending money.
>
> https://www.xojo.com/

I did not know about this, Thanks !!!
I am dowlnoading a very large package (1,6 GB !!!)

>
> (And there are numerous projects that have had various levels of success in
> replicating VB on *nix systems -- see, for example, https://kbasic.org/ and
> family.)
>
> But I believe Jeff is seeking a RAD system similar to Visual Studio and not
> just a programmer's editor. (I can make no suggestions, since my *nix apps
> are almost exclusively for the terminal.)
>

--
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
MarioCPPP

"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes:
> OK, let's get this over first, I currently use Windows 10 and Visual
> Studio 2008 (later versions introduce new bugs as well as carrying
> forward old ones).
>
> For anybody still reading I want to make the move to Linux, Windows 11
> is a step too far for me, I have tried Ubuntu and it does pretty well
> all I need. However, my main interest in my old age is programming and
> the Visual Studio IDE suits me perfectly.
>
> I have been searching for an equivalent for Linux but I'm not sure
> there is one. My apps tend to be Windows Forms apps (to become Linux
> GUI apps) and the ease of designing a form in Visual Studio is
> brilliant. Once the form is designed then writing the code is what
> keeps my grey cells working.
>
> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux? I know VS Code exists
> but that's a coder's text editor rather than a GUI as far as I can
> see.

VS Code is very widely used in software development. It’s too long since
I’ve used Visual Studio to be able to compare them but it includes
substantial support for many languages. I think you should at least take
a look to see if it can meet your needs.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

Jeff Gaines wrote:
> Once I find the right distro (Ubuntu-MATE is looking good) I will
> start looking at programming tools.

This thread has stimulated my interest in 'tinkering' w/ a Python GUI;
I've been meaning to learn some Python for a long time. I think I'll
tinker w/ the GUI and then go on to a typical beginner python tutorial
to learn some actual code.

https://blog.tooljet.com/python-gui-framework/
> In this article, we will explore the best Python GUI frameworks and
> discuss their features, benefits, and use cases.

Maybe PySimpleGUI, then a little Tkinter, then the tutorial/s.

--
Mike Easter

On 06/02/24 17:57, MarioCCCP wrote:
> On 05/02/24 20:20, Auric__ wrote:
>> Dan Purgert wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-05, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, let's get this over first, I currently use Windows
>>>> 10 and Visual
>>>> Studio 2008 (later versions introduce new bugs as well
>>>> as carrying
>>>> forward old ones).
>>>>
>>>> For anybody still reading I want to make the move to
>>>> Linux, Windows 11 is
>>>> a step too far for me, I have tried Ubuntu and it does
>>>> pretty well all I
>>>> need. However, my main interest in my old age is
>>>> programming and the
>>>> Visual Studio IDE suits me perfectly.
>>>> [...]
>>>> Is there anything like Visual Studio for Linux?
>>>
>>> Not really -- there was never a "Visual Basic" for
>>> Linux.  The closest
>>> (which still may be quite far away) would potentially be
>>> Gambas[1] --
>>> but realistically, no matter what way you go, chances are
>>> you're going
>>> to be needing to learn a different paradigm from what
>>> you're familiar
>>> with.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]https://gambas.sourceforge.net
>>
>> Visual Studio != Visual Basic
>>
>> Even if it was, Xojo is a good replacement, if one wanted
>> to stick with a
>> BASIC-alike and didn't mind spending money.
>>
>>    https://www.xojo.com/
>
> I did not know about this, Thanks !!!
> I am dowlnoading a very large package (1,6 GB !!!)
>
addendum
It seems to be no longer FOSS
It doesn't even let you save files in human readable format
without a paid licence.
Rejected tour court.
>>
>> (And there are numerous projects that have had various
>> levels of success in
>> replicating VB on *nix systems -- see, for example,
>> https://kbasic.org/ and
>> family.)
>>
>> But I believe Jeff is seeking a RAD system similar to
>> Visual Studio and not
>> just a programmer's editor. (I can make no suggestions,
>> since my *nix apps
>> are almost exclusively for the terminal.)
>>
>
--
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
MarioCPPP

MarioCCCP wrote:

> On 06/02/24 17:57, MarioCCCP wrote:
>> On 05/02/24 20:20, Auric__ wrote:
[snip]
>>> Even if it was, Xojo is a good replacement, if one wanted to stick with
>>> a BASIC-alike and didn't mind spending money.
>>>
>>>    https://www.xojo.com/
>>
>> I did not know about this, Thanks !!!
>> I am dowlnoading a very large package (1,6 GB !!!)
>
> addendum
> It seems to be no longer FOSS
> It doesn't even let you save files in human readable format
> without a paid licence.
> Rejected tour court.

To my knowledge it has always been a commercial product. (As I said, it's
for those who don't mind spending money.) But it is a good cross-platform
replacement for Visual Basic and the form designer is top notch. It isn't
the only BASIC I use, but it is the one with the most compilation targets.
(Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, Android, web.)

If you want free, check out https://www.b4x.com/ -- free as in beer but not
open source -- compiles to Java bytecode so it can run basically anywhere,
with special-purpose compilers for Android, iOS (paid/commercial product),
and Arduino. The form designer isn't nearly as good as Xojo or VB but it's
adequate.

If you want open source, I believe your choices are fairly limited as far as
RAD is concerned. You could look at https://kbasic.org/ as I previously
suggested, but I don't remember how good that form designer is. (It's
something like 25 years old, but hey, open source.) A more recent dev system
from the same guy is https://www.q7basic.org/ but it's still 11+ years old.
(Sources at the bottom of that page.) I have never used it so [shrug].
Kbasic is mostly VB-compatible; I imagine Q7basic is too, but again, never
tried it.

--
Evil is what occurs when sapient creatures who understand the
difference between good and bad intentionally do the latter.
It's not nearly as complex a matter as philosophers once made it out to be.

On 07/02/24 23:28, Auric__ wrote:
> MarioCCCP wrote:
>
>> On 06/02/24 17:57, MarioCCCP wrote:
>>> On 05/02/24 20:20, Auric__ wrote:
> [snip]
>>>> Even if it was, Xojo is a good replacement, if one wanted to stick with
>>>> a BASIC-alike and didn't mind spending money.
>>>>
>>>>    https://www.xojo.com/
>>>
>>> I did not know about this, Thanks !!!
>>> I am dowlnoading a very large package (1,6 GB !!!)
>>
>> addendum
>> It seems to be no longer FOSS
>> It doesn't even let you save files in human readable format
>> without a paid licence.
>> Rejected tour court.
>
> To my knowledge it has always been a commercial product. (As I said, it's
> for those who don't mind spending money.) But it is a good cross-platform
> replacement for Visual Basic and the form designer is top notch. It isn't
> the only BASIC I use, but it is the one with the most compilation targets.
> (Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, Android, web.)
>
> If you want free, check out https://www.b4x.com/ -- free as in beer but not
> open source -- compiles to Java bytecode so it can run basically anywhere,
> with special-purpose compilers for Android, iOS (paid/commercial product),
> and Arduino. The form designer isn't nearly as good as Xojo or VB but it's
> adequate.
>
> If you want open source, I believe your choices are fairly limited as far as
> RAD is concerned. You could look at https://kbasic.org/ as I previously
> suggested, but I don't remember how good that form designer is. (It's
> something like 25 years old, but hey, open source.) A more recent dev system
> from the same guy is https://www.q7basic.org/ but it's still 11+ years old.
> (Sources at the bottom of that page.) I have never used it so [shrug].
> Kbasic is mostly VB-compatible; I imagine Q7basic is too, but again, never
> tried it.
>
well, Gambas is still under development and maintained. I
find it a quite good environment
--
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
MarioCPPP