I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
VMS licenses.

Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/

Arne

On 2023-12-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
> VMS licenses.
>
> Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/
>

The difference is that the VMware people don't have to worry about the
possibility of their supplier suddenly going bust and having their own
operations suddenly stopping because no-one acquired VMware after the
company went bust. The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
ever be a serious possibility.

Simon.

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On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
> The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
> ever be a serious possibility.

I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

--
Grant. . . .

On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
>> ever be a serious possibility.
>
> I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.
>
> So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

--
Chris

On 12/13/23 11:04, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
>>> ever be a serious possibility.
>>
>> I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.
>>
>> So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?
>
> They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

LOL

So that's why VMware licenses are changing and I'm seeing reference to
Broadcom.

--
Grant. . . .

On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
>>> ever be a serious possibility.
>>
>> I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.
>>
>> So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?
>
> They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

Yep.

They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.

That is a lot of money.

Arne

On 13/12/2023 20:39, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
>> On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>> On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
>>>> ever be a serious possibility.
>>>
>>> I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.
>>>
>>> So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?
>>
>> They have recently been acquired by Broadcom
>
> Yep.
>
> They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.
>
> That is a lot of money.
>

Don't know if it has happened, but there were rumours of loads of
companies dropping VMware. For what? KVM/QEMU?

--
Chris

On 12/13/2023 6:58 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 20:39, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
>>> On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
>>>>> ever be a serious possibility.
>>>>
>>>> I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.
>>>>
>>>> So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?
>>>
>>> They have recently been acquired by Broadcom
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.
>>
>> That is a lot of money.
>
> Don't know if it has happened, but there were rumours of loads of
> companies dropping VMware. For what? KVM/QEMU?

I have not heard about many dropping ESXi. But growth is elsewhere.

A large part of workload is in AWS/Azure/GCP/OCI today. And they don't
pay for VMWare (AWS use custom Xen, Azure use Hyper-V, GCP use KVM,
OCI use KVM).

A large part of workload are not deployed in VM's but
in containers today - and a significant part of that is
k8s on bare metal not k8s on VM (there are still a lot
of k8s on VM though).

For the classic in own data center VM then I think it is
still: MS shop => Hyper-V, total open source centric => KVM,
everybody else => ESXi.

But if "the classic in own data center VM" market share
has dropped from 95% til 25% then ...

Arne

On 13/12/2023 13:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-12-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
>> VMS licenses.
>>
>> Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/
>>

That can be a serious problem for UK government orgs that use it.
Perpetual licences can be bought out of capital funds and so may be
counted as an investment and written down over time, whereas time
limited usually have to be bought out of recurrent budgets, which may
vanish...

>
> The difference is that the VMware people don't have to worry about the
> possibility of their supplier suddenly going bust and having their own
> operations suddenly stopping because no-one acquired VMware after the
> company went bust. The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
> ever be a serious possibility.
>
> Simon.
>

Dave

On Wed, 2023-12-13 at 13:23 +0000, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-12-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> > I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
> > VMS licenses.
> >
> > Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:
> >
> > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/
> >
>
> The difference is that the VMware people don't have to worry about
> the possibility of their supplier suddenly going bust and having
> their own operations suddenly stopping because no-one acquired VMware
> after the company went bust. The VMware ecosystem is simply too large
> for that to ever be a serious possibility.

But Broadfuckingcom will enshittify[1] everything that was good about
VMware.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
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In article <uldhrl$12f61$1@dont-email.me>,
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>On 12/13/2023 6:58 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
>> On 13/12/2023 20:39, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
>>>> On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>>>> On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>> The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
>>>>>> ever be a serious possibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.
>>>>>
>>>>> So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?
>>>>
>>>> They have recently been acquired by Broadcom
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>> They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.
>>>
>>> That is a lot of money.
>>
>> Don't know if it has happened, but there were rumours of loads of
>> companies dropping VMware. For what? KVM/QEMU?
>
>I have not heard about many dropping ESXi. But growth is elsewhere.
>
>A large part of workload is in AWS/Azure/GCP/OCI today. And they don't
>pay for VMWare (AWS use custom Xen, Azure use Hyper-V, GCP use KVM,
>OCI use KVM).

AWS is also (in fact, mostly) KVM/Nitro these days. They run
Xen nested under KVM in lots of instances.

- Dan C.

Arne Vajhoej <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:

> I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
> VMS licenses.
>
> Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/

Pro Tools is not as widely used as VMware, but it is heavily involved
in the production of music, movies, and television shows. Some time
ago it was eaten by a larger company, and perpetual licensing was
dropped. Then last fall perpetual licensing returned. Why..? Heh,
you don't need to be a genius to figure that out...

https://avidtech.my.salesforce-sites.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Knowledge/Pro-Tools-Licensing-FAQ

Billy Y..
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