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* Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Jan-Erik Söderholm
+* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Lawrence D'Oliveiro
|+* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Dave Froble
||`* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Single Stage to Orbit
|| `* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Gary Sparkes
||  `* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Single Stage to Orbit
||   `* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Gary Sparkes
||    `* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Single Stage to Orbit
||     `- Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Chris Townley
|+- Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Simon Clubley
|`* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Jan-Erik Söderholm
| `* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Lawrence D'Oliveiro
|  `* Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Jan-Erik Söderholm
|   `- Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?Subcommandante XDelta
`- Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?chrisq

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From: jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com (Jan-Erik Söderholm)
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Subject: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?
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 by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:45 UTC

Hi.

Tried to read through the 100+ new messages now but had to
give up when not finding any VMS related posts.

Could we just ditch all Linux, SCO, AIX, whatever stuff?
I'm sure there are other appropriate forums for those OS'es.

Jan-Erik.

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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?
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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 9 Jan 2024 20:24 UTC

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 12:45:25 +0100, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:

> Could we just ditch all Linux, SCO, AIX, whatever stuff?

Tell you what: I see some other posts in this group that might interest
you: one about free calls to some Middle-East country, another one
advertising some medical product attached to the name of a former Oprah
protégé, and something about photography services and even tailoring.

Why don’t you read those, instead?

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From: davef@tsoft-inc.com (Dave Froble)
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Subject: Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?
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 by: Dave Froble - Tue, 9 Jan 2024 23:19 UTC

On 1/9/2024 3:24 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 12:45:25 +0100, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>
>> Could we just ditch all Linux, SCO, AIX, whatever stuff?
>
> Tell you what: I see some other posts in this group that might interest
> you: one about free calls to some Middle-East country, another one
> advertising some medical product attached to the name of a former Oprah
> protégé, and something about photography services and even tailoring.
>
> Why don’t you read those, instead?
>

Oppps, looks like Jan-Erik stepped on a Linux fanboy ...

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

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 by: Single Stage to Orbi - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 10:04 UTC

On Tue, 2024-01-09 at 18:19 -0500, Dave Froble wrote:
> > Why don’t you read those, instead?
> >
>
> Oppps,  looks like Jan-Erik stepped on a Linux fanboy ...

With what's been done to Linux over the years, I'm leaning towards
switching to one of the BSDs, or even OpenVMS/x86 (if they can allow
third party drivers so I can actually run this bare metal on my
Threadripper and have nice things like X11/Wayland as my OpenVMS
desktop). 

None of the BSDs have been infected by the madness that's currently
afflicting Linux and FreeBSD supports ZFS which I use daily with Linux.

(just throwing more fuel on the fire :-D ...)
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?

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 by: Simon Clubley - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:19 UTC

On 2024-01-09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 12:45:25 +0100, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>
>> Could we just ditch all Linux, SCO, AIX, whatever stuff?
>
> Tell you what: I see some other posts in this group that might interest
> you: one about free calls to some Middle-East country, another one
> advertising some medical product attached to the name of a former Oprah
> protégé, and something about photography services and even tailoring.
>

I don't see any of those, but that's because I am using Eternal September.

If you are having problems skipping through the junk, you can either wait
a month for it to stop, or switch to using Eternal September.

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

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 by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:38 UTC

Den 2024-01-09 kl. 21:24, skrev Lawrence D'Oliveiro:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 12:45:25 +0100, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>
>> Could we just ditch all Linux, SCO, AIX, whatever stuff?
>
> Tell you what: I see some other posts in this group that might interest
> you: one about free calls to some Middle-East country, another one
> advertising some medical product attached to the name of a former Oprah
> protégé, and something about photography services and even tailoring.
>
> Why don’t you read those, instead?

I can't read them since I do not get them (from Eternal September).
What I wrote about was the other SPAM posts about UNIX and Linux.

I have been here on c.o.v for something like 30+ years.
I do not remember seeing your name for, well, is it a full year?

Jan-Erik.

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 by: chrisq - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:30 UTC

On 1/9/24 11:45, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Tried to read through the 100+ new messages now but had to
> give up when not finding any VMS related posts.
>
> Could we just ditch all Linux, SCO, AIX, whatever stuff?
> I'm sure there are other appropriate forums for those OS'es.
>
> Jan-Erik.

Perhaps that's because VMS is so complete and reliable, there
is no longer anything to discuss about it ?.

Continued exposure to new ideas helps to guard against the
"hardening of the attitudes", as we all get a bit older, and
a bit more wrinkly :-).

Have a great new year...

Chris

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 20:21 UTC

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:38:36 +0100, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:

> I can't read them since I do not get them (from Eternal September).
> What I wrote about was the other SPAM posts about UNIX and Linux.

Never satisfied, are you? Now you are complaining about not seeing spam,
whereas before you were complaining about seeing it.

Maybe you are on the wrong USENET plan? Maybe you need to contact your
USENET provider about moving onto a plan that better suits your needs? Or
if they can’t offer you one, move onto another, more appropriate USENET
altogether?

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 by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:27 UTC

Den 2024-01-10 kl. 21:21, skrev Lawrence D'Oliveiro:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:38:36 +0100, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>
>> I can't read them since I do not get them (from Eternal September).
>> What I wrote about was the other SPAM posts about UNIX and Linux.
>
> Never satisfied, are you? Now you are complaining about not seeing spam,
> whereas before you were complaining about seeing it.
>
> Maybe you are on the wrong USENET plan? Maybe you need to contact your
> USENET provider about moving onto a plan that better suits your needs? Or
> if they can’t offer you one, move onto another, more appropriate USENET
> altogether?

What a complete piece of shit you are...

I have been working my whole professional life, every single day
for over 40 years now, with VMS and I cannot see any more appropiate
group than c.o.v.

I'm just asking that this group could stick to VMS.

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 by: Subcommandante XDelt - Thu, 11 Jan 2024 22:16 UTC

On 12/01/2024 1:27 am, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2024-01-10 kl. 21:21, skrev Lawrence D'Oliveiro:
>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:38:36 +0100, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>
>>> I can't read them since I do not get them (from Eternal September).
>>> What I wrote about was the other SPAM posts about UNIX and Linux.
>>
>> Never satisfied, are you? Now you are complaining about not seeing spam,
>> whereas before you were complaining about seeing it.
>>
>> Maybe you are on the wrong USENET plan? Maybe you need to contact your
>> USENET provider about moving onto a plan that better suits your needs? Or
>> if they can’t offer you one, move onto another, more appropriate USENET
>> altogether?
>
> What a complete piece of shit you are...
>
> I have been working my whole professional life, every single day
> for over 40 years now, with VMS and I cannot see any more appropiate
> group than c.o.v.
>
> I'm just asking that this group could stick to VMS.

Now kids, play nice.

https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/

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 by: Gary Sparkes - Fri, 12 Jan 2024 01:46 UTC

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 10:04:26 +0000, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:

> With what's been done to Linux over the years, I'm leaning towards
> switching to one of the BSDs, or even OpenVMS/x86 (if they can allow
> third party drivers so I can actually run this bare metal on my
> Threadripper and have nice things like X11/Wayland as my OpenVMS
> desktop).
>
> None of the BSDs have been infected by the madness that's currently
> afflicting Linux and FreeBSD supports ZFS which I use daily with Linux.
>
> (just throwing more fuel on the fire :-D ...)

I'm highly waiting on this, while testing some devices and code in Alpha
and Itanium systems, for when that floodgate opens. A fair amount of
things i'm working on are hardware support for specialty things, and lack
of being able to (so far) load my own drivers without some insane steps
is... well, putting things on hold for people who're excited to get rid of
some older hardware.

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 by: Single Stage to Orbi - Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:01 UTC

On Fri, 2024-01-12 at 01:46 +0000, Gary Sparkes wrote:
> I'm highly waiting on this, while testing some devices and code in
> Alpha and Itanium systems, for when that floodgate opens. A fair
> amount of things i'm working on are hardware support for specialty
> things, and lack of being able to (so far) load my own drivers
> without some insane steps is... well, putting things on hold for
> people who're excited to get rid of some older hardware.

I've been told writing drivers for OpemVMS/x86 is an insane process!
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

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 by: Gary Sparkes - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:44 UTC

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:01:35 +0000, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:

> On Fri, 2024-01-12 at 01:46 +0000, Gary Sparkes wrote:
>> I'm highly waiting on this, while testing some devices and code in
>> Alpha and Itanium systems, for when that floodgate opens. A fair amount
>> of things i'm working on are hardware support for specialty things, and
>> lack of being able to (so far) load my own drivers without some insane
>> steps is... well, putting things on hold for people who're excited to
>> get rid of some older hardware.
>
> I've been told writing drivers for OpemVMS/x86 is an insane process!

I'm insane enough to be willing to do it.

That and people will pay me to do it too.....

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 by: Single Stage to Orbi - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 23:23 UTC

Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?

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From: news@cct-net.co.uk (Chris Townley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Has comp.os.vms turned into comp.os.any-os ?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:31:33 +0000
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 by: Chris Townley - Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:31 UTC

On 13/01/2024 23:23, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
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