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* Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsQuadibloc
+* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup
|`* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsThomas Koenig
| +* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsQuadibloc
| |`* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup
| | `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsStephen Fuld
| |  +- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup
| |  `- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsThomas Koenig
| `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsBGB
|  +* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsQuadibloc
|  |`- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsBGB
|  `- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsQuadibloc
`* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsJimBrakefield
 +* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup
 |+- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsJimBrakefield
 |`* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsTerje Mathisen
 | `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup
 |  `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsTerje Mathisen
 |   `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup
 |    `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsQuadibloc
 |     +- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsTerje Mathisen
 |     `- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup
 `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsJimBrakefield
  `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsQuadibloc
   `* Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsScott Lurndal
    `- Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point FormatsMitchAlsup

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Subject: Re: Two New 128-bit Floating-Point Formats
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 14:43:10 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Thomas Koenig - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 14:43 UTC

Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> schrieb:
> On 8/8/2023 3:08 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 4:53:39 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 3:28:42 PM UTC-6, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> schrieb:
>>>
>>>>> Still, overall, posit gives you more of what you want--precision
>>>>> when you don't need exponent bits, and lack of precision loss
>>>>> when you do.
>>>
>>>> I'm thoroughly unconvinced on posits.
>>>>
>>>> Losing precision when the scale is off seems like a bad idea to me,
>>>> especially if there is no indication of lost intermediate precision.
>> <
>> There are (now) many numerical algorithms which have been tested in
>> posit form and found to have significantly better accuracy with posits
>> instead of IEEE 754--so much so that some of them can decrease the
>> size of their average data (63->32 or 32->16) and still give meaningful
>> results--mostly better than IEEE of 2× the size
>> <
>> However, I too remain unconvinced--because the failed results are not
>> equally marketed..
>
> Agreed. Though I did find this
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2109.08225.pdf
>
> Which gives at least some real world examples where Posits are worse.

Interesting to read that.

They compared 8- and 16-bit posits agains 32-bit IEEE. Lacking,
IMHO, is the comparison against 16-bit IEEE, which might also have
been interesting.

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