This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update my
Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).

When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free was
telling me that my IP Address was visible.

Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??

TIA.
--
Daniel

On 28/02/2024 in message <urmmlr$3nrhq$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65 wrote:

>This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update my
>Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
>
>When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free was
>telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>
>Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their Premium
>(i.e. PAID) Version??
>
>TIA.

Have you tired "Shields Up":

https://www.grc.com/shieldsup

It shows me my IP address (as allocated by my ISP) but Internet
communication depends on that so I think it's just how things work.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

Daniel65,

> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>
> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their Premium
> (i.e. PAID) Version??

Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it impacts
your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind (Fear,
Uncertainty, Doubt).

Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see' your
puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the responses to
requests it send.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Jeff Gaines wrote on 28/2/24 7:26 pm:
> On 28/02/2024 in message <urmmlr$3nrhq$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65
> wrote:
>
>> This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update
>> my Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
>>
>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>
>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>
>> TIA.
>
> Have you tired "Shields Up":
>
> https://www.grc.com/shieldsup
>
> It shows me my IP address (as allocated by my ISP) but Internet
> communication depends on that so I think it's just how things work.
>
No, I haven't. Should I?? I've used AVG for years and, as far as I or
AVG knows, I haven't had any problems.

As I suggest, I think it's just AVG trying to get a few Bucks out of me,
--
Daniel

R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
> Daniel65,
>
>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>
>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>
> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
> impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind
> (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>
> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
> your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
> responses to requests it send.

That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so that
they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what UserName/Password I
have to send to get access to my UseNet account with them.

That even makes sense to me NOW!!

Thanks.
--
Daniel

On 28/02/2024 in message <urn8l1$3sjhr$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65 wrote:

>Jeff Gaines wrote on 28/2/24 7:26 pm:
>>On 28/02/2024 in message <urmmlr$3nrhq$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65
>>wrote:
>>
>>>This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update
>>>my Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
>>>
>>>When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>>>was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>
>>>Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>>>Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>
>>>TIA.
>>
>>Have you tired "Shields Up":
>>
>>https://www.grc.com/shieldsup
>>
>>It shows me my IP address (as allocated by my ISP) but Internet
>>communication depends on that so I think it's just how things work.
>>
>No, I haven't. Should I?? I've used AVG for years and, as far as I or
>AVG knows, I haven't had any problems.
>
>As I suggest, I think it's just AVG trying to get a few Bucks out of me,

It would give you a second opinion. I'm not sure how you expect anything
on the Internet to communicate with you if it doesn't know your IP address.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
This joke was so funny when I heard it for the first time I fell of my
dinosaur.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 08:21:30 -0500, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 28/02/2024 in message <urn8l1$3sjhr$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65 wrote:
>
>> Jeff Gaines wrote on 28/2/24 7:26 pm:
>>> On 28/02/2024 in message <urmmlr$3nrhq$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update
>>>> my Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
>>>>
>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>>>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>>>> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>
>>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Have you tired "Shields Up":
>>>
>>> https://www.grc.com/shieldsup
>>>
>>> It shows me my IP address (as allocated by my ISP) but Internet
>>> communication depends on that so I think it's just how things work.
>>>
>> No, I haven't. Should I?? I've used AVG for years and, as far as I or
>> AVG knows, I haven't had any problems.
>>
>> As I suggest, I think it's just AVG trying to get a few Bucks out of me,
>
> It would give you a second opinion. I'm not sure how you expect anything
> on the Internet to communicate with you if it doesn't know your IP address.

They are probably trying to market a vpn service.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 2024-02-28, R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
> Daniel65,
>
>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>
>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their Premium
>> (i.e. PAID) Version??
>
> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it impacts
> your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind (Fear,
> Uncertainty, Doubt).

Isn't AVG kinda infamous for this kind of thing?

> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see' your
> puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the responses to
> requests it send.
>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser

Not to mention that there's multiple kinds of ip's
(local 192.168*/127.* and public ip). Vaugeness really makes you assume
the worst here.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 28/02/24 08:17, Daniel65 wrote:
> This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update my
> Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
>
> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free was
> telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>
> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>
> TIA.

Sounds like they are just trying to sell you a VPN, which is something
that most people don't need but helps AVG make money.

On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>> Daniel65,
>>
>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>
>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>>> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>
>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
>> impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to mind
>> (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>
>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
>> your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
>> responses to requests it send.
>
> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so that
> they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what UserName/Password I
> have to send to get access to my UseNet account with them.
>
> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>
> Thanks.

You're posting this from eternal-september.

candycanearter07,

> Isn't AVG kinda infamous for this kind of thing?

I wouldn't know, I can't remember having ever used it.

> Not to mention that there's multiple kinds of ip's
> (local 192.168*/127.* and public ip).

And that a PC will spew all kinds of IP related data on a LAN just to let
others on it know its there.

> Vaugeness really makes you assume the worst here.

Yep. Hence my FUD remark. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>> Daniel65,
>>
>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>
>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>>> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>
>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
>> impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to mind
>> (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>
>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
>> your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
>> responses to requests it send.
>
> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so that
> they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what UserName/Password I
> have to send to get access to my UseNet account with them.
>
> That even makes sense to me NOW!!

When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is nothing
wrong with that.

There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends a
packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to know
where to send that packet to, ie, your address.

Same as if you send a paper letter.

Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address
translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the
router, not the address of your computer. The router does the
translation in both directions.

AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in the
connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary address,
not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every packet sent or
received.

Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same as
security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic which
they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that information
instead. Depends who you trust more.

They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is dangerous
to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not use it
because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked me to
activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly subscription
they did not need.

Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote at 18:32 this Wednesday (GMT):
> candycanearter07,
>
>> Isn't AVG kinda infamous for this kind of thing?
>
> I wouldn't know, I can't remember having ever used it.
>
>> Not to mention that there's multiple kinds of ip's
>> (local 192.168*/127.* and public ip).
>
> And that a PC will spew all kinds of IP related data on a LAN just to let
> others on it know its there.

Huh, I didn't know it broadcasted an IP.

>> Vaugeness really makes you assume the worst here.
>
> Yep. Hence my FUD remark. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser

Yea, stuff like that drives me crazy sometimes.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
> On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>> Daniel65,
>>>
>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>>>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>>>> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>
>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
>>> impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to mind
>>> (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>
>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
>>> your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
>>> responses to requests it send.
>>
>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so that
>> they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what UserName/Password I
>> have to send to get access to my UseNet account with them.
>>
>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> You're posting this from eternal-september.

Yes, So ..................??
--
Daniel

Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
> On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>> Daniel65,
>>>
>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
>>>> their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>
>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
>>> it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to
>>> mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>
>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
>>> 'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your
>>> 'puter the responses to requests it send.
>>
>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
>> that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
>> with them.
>>
>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>
> When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
> send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
> those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
> nothing wrong with that.
>
> There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
> a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
> know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
>
> Same as if you send a paper letter.
>
> Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address
> translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the
> router, not the address of your computer. The router does the
> translation in both directions.
>
> AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
> the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
> address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
> packet sent or received.
>
> Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
> as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
> which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
> information instead. Depends who you trust more.
>
> They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
> really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
> dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
> use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
> me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
> subscription they did not need.
>
> Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.

O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the
UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in
effect, a VPN??
--
Daniel

On 2024-02-29, Daniel65 wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
>> [...]
>> They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
>> really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
>> dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
>> use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
>> me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
>> subscription they did not need.
>>
>> Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
>
> O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the
> UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in
> effect, a VPN??

No.

--
|_|O|_|
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860

On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
>> On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>>> Daniel65,
>>>>
>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
>>>>> was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
>>>>> Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>
>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
>>>> impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to mind
>>>> (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>>
>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
>>>> your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
>>>> responses to requests it send.
>>>
>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
>>> that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
>>> with them.
>>>
>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> You're posting this from eternal-september.
>
> Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your E-S
username and password

On 29/02/24 09:55, Daniel65 wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
>> On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>>> Daniel65,
>>>>
>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
>>>>> their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>
>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
>>>> it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to
>>>> mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>>
>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
>>>> 'see' your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your
>>>> 'puter the responses to requests it send.
>>>
>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
>>> that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
>>> with them.
>>>
>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>
>> When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
>> send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
>> those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
>> nothing wrong with that.
>>
>> There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
>> a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
>> know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
>>
>> Same as if you send a paper letter.
>>
>> Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address
>> translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the
>> router, not the address of your computer. The router does the
>> translation in both directions.
>>
>> AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
>> the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
>> address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
>> packet sent or received.
>>
>> Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
>> as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
>> which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
>> information instead. Depends who you trust more.
>>
>> They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
>> really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
>> dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
>> use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
>> me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
>> subscription they did not need.
>>
>> Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
>
> O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the
> UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in
> effect, a VPN??

What is "in effect, a VPN"?

I can't see your IP address because the E-S server doesn't tell me it -
if that's what you mean. Ray Banana, if he wants to, can find out your
IP address because it's his server and every time you connect to it it
knows the IP address that's connecting.

On 2/29/2024 3:55 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
>> On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>>> Daniel65,
>>>>
>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
>>>>> their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>
>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
>>>> it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to
>>>> mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>>
>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
>>>> 'see' your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your
>>>> 'puter the responses to requests it send.
>>>
>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
>>> that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
>>> with them.
>>>
>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>
>> When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
>> send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
>> those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
>> nothing wrong with that.
>>
>> There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
>> a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
>> know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
>>
>> Same as if you send a paper letter.
>>
>> Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the router, not the address of your computer. The router does the translation in both directions.
>>
>> AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
>> the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
>> address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
>> packet sent or received.
>>
>> Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
>> as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
>> which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
>> information instead. Depends who you trust more.
>>
>> They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
>> really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
>> dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
>> use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
>> me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
>> subscription they did not need.
>>
>> Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
>
> O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the
> UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in effect, a VPN??

WAN IP
Daniel65 ------ router --------------------------- E-S The E-S admin can tell
192.168.1.2 (home) 1.2.3.4 where you are (more or less*)

WAN IP (India)
Daniel65 ------ router ------------- VPN --------- E-S The E-S admin can tell
192.168.1.2 (home) 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 you're in India.

Your WAN IP identifies your house. Or something.

This is presumably the "FUD" model that AVG is using.

Real life is much more complicated than this.

Paul

immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
> On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
>> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
>>> On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>>>> Daniel65,
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
>>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
>>>>>> me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>>
>>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and
>>>>> how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD
>>>>> comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>>>
>>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
>>>>> 'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give
>>>>> your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
>>>>
>>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
>>>> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
>>>> account with them.
>>>>
>>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> You're posting this from eternal-september.
>>
>> Yes, So ..................??
>
> so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
> E-S username and password

Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF
they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
--
Daniel

Paul wrote on 29/2/24 10:39 pm:
> On 2/29/2024 3:55 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
>>> On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>>>> Daniel65,
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
>>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
>>>>>> their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>>
>>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
>>>>> it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD comes to
>>>>> mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>>>
>>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
>>>>> 'see' your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give your
>>>>> 'puter the responses to requests it send.
>>>>
>>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
>>>> that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
>>>> with them.
>>>>
>>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>>
>>> When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
>>> send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
>>> those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
>>> nothing wrong with that.
>>>
>>> There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
>>> a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
>>> know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
>>>
>>> Same as if you send a paper letter.
>>>
>>> Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the router, not the address of your computer. The router does the translation in both directions.
>>>
>>> AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
>>> the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
>>> address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
>>> packet sent or received.
>>>
>>> Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
>>> as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
>>> which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
>>> information instead. Depends who you trust more.
>>>
>>> They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
>>> really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
>>> dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
>>> use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
>>> me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
>>> subscription they did not need.
>>>
>>> Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
>>
>> O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the
>> UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in effect, a VPN??
>
> WAN IP
> Daniel65 ------ router --------------------------- E-S The E-S admin can tell
> 192.168.1.2 (home) 1.2.3.4 where you are (more or less*)
>
> WAN IP (India)
> Daniel65 ------ router ------------- VPN --------- E-S The E-S admin can tell
> 192.168.1.2 (home) 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 you're in India.
>
> Your WAN IP identifies your house. Or something.
>
> This is presumably the "FUD" model that AVG is using.
>
> Real life is much more complicated than this.
>
> Paul
>
Ah!! O.K., thanks, Paul.
--
Daniel

On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
>> On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
>>>> On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>>>>> Daniel65,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
>>>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
>>>>>>> me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and
>>>>>> how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD
>>>>>> comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
>>>>>> 'see' your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give
>>>>>> your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
>>>>> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>>>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
>>>>> account with them.
>>>>>
>>>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> You're posting this from eternal-september.
>>>
>>> Yes, So ..................??
> >
>> so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
>> E-S username and password
>
> Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF
> they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
> with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.

The point is that you said:

«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»

We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password
at anything.

Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-02-28 20:55, candycanearter07 wrote:
> R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote at 18:32 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> candycanearter07,
>>
>>> Isn't AVG kinda infamous for this kind of thing?
>>
>> I wouldn't know, I can't remember having ever used it.
>>
>>> Not to mention that there's multiple kinds of ip's
>>> (local 192.168*/127.* and public ip).
>>
>> And that a PC will spew all kinds of IP related data on a LAN just to let
>> others on it know its there.
>
> Huh, I didn't know it broadcasted an IP.

Of course it does.

Every time you open a webpage, the webpage knows your IP, because it
needs your address to send you the text and photos.

It just works that way, there is nothing wrong with that.

Your computer tells the web page "send me your content to my address".

An VPN is like a Postal Office Box. Letters are sent there instead of
your machine; then the POB sends them to your machine. Someone, in the
end, has to know your address.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT):
> On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
>> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
>>> On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>> immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
>>>>> On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>>>> R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
>>>>>>> Daniel65,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
>>>>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
>>>>>>>> me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Them not providing information on when that it happens and
>>>>>>> how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag.  FUD
>>>>>>> comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
>>>>>>> 'see' your puters IP.  It has to, otherwise it can't give
>>>>>>> your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
>>>>>> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
>>>>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
>>>>>> account with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That even makes sense to me NOW!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're posting this from eternal-september.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, So ..................??
>> >
>>> so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
>>> E-S username and password
>>
>> Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF
>> they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
>> with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
>
> The point is that you said:
>
> «That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
> account with them.»
>
> We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password
> at anything.
>
> Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.

To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see
that.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Daniel65 wrote:
> O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the
> UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in
> effect, a VPN??

Typically, when you connect to your NSP news service provider you are
connecting via your ISP connectivity provider TPG. Some NSP's (not E-S)
'stamp' your news message here w/ your connectivity provider's
connecting IP. That IP may be associated w/ your geolocation, such as
your 'home town' or city. Some people don't like for their real name or
their real email address or their ISP or their home city exposed to
others on usenet.

Usenet is more anonymizing than social media because you don't have to
expose your ISP IP, real email address or a city or an email address if
you don't want to, but you can if you want to.

Selling VPN service has become an enterprise, so various entities like
to do whatever they can to convince you that having a VPN is better than
not. Many/most of us know that we don't need a VPN to hide our IP from
entities which we contact online such as NSP or webserver.

AVG is just another one selling VPN service.

--
Mike Easter