gof-cut-this-news@cut-this-chmurka.net.invalid (Adam W.) writes:
> This is wishful thinking.

Agreed.

> I agree that it would be best if Usenet was separated from Google Groups,
> but the current reality is that normal, valid users still post from
> Google, at least to pl.* groups.
>
> Maybe they couldn't find a server to use, maybe they didn't want to
> register on mine (but I don't want to monopolize Usenet in pl.*, so it's
> better if users use different services), maybe they prefer the web
> interface over a dedicated reader. I don't know what their reasons are.
>
> I make daily statistics of pl.* and alt.pl.* activity, counting posts from
> different servers and grouping them by From (to count unique users, not
> individual posts) and the picture is clear: most users post using Google
> Groups and my server.

From my perspective (mostly English-language groups) Google represents
the majority of posters too (around 85%). Even if Google were paying
attention (which I suspect they aren’t) cutting them off from the rest
of Usenet would just look like least monetizable 15% of posters
disappearing.

I don’t know what proportion of them are spammers though!

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On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:44:07 -0000 (UTC)
gof-cut-this-news@cut-this-chmurka.net.invalid (Adam W.) wrote:
> I agree that it would be best if Usenet was separated from Google Groups,
> but the current reality is that normal, valid users still post from
> Google, at least to pl.* groups.
>
> Maybe they couldn't find a server to use, maybe they didn't want to
> register on mine (but I don't want to monopolize Usenet in pl.*, so it's
> better if users use different services), maybe they prefer the web
> interface over a dedicated reader. I don't know what their reasons are.

One reason I've seen is that they post from their workplace and the firewall
blocks the usual usenet ports. Another is that they use (at home) a work
provided computer , they don't have room for an additional computer and they
are reluctant to install on the work computer additional software like a
newsreader.

Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:

> One reason I've seen is that they post from their workplace and the firewall
> blocks the usual usenet ports. Another is that they use (at home) a work
> provided computer , they don't have room for an additional computer and they
> are reluctant to install on the work computer additional software like a
> newsreader.

It makes perfect sense. They filter virtually everything at my workplace
with DPI (deep packet inspection) firewall too. There are ways around
that, but it's not the point.

In the past there was a thing called newsportal. One Polish guy ("TRanx")
made a Polish version (TR Newsportal). Maybe it would be good to install
it. On the other hand, installing an unmaintained software...

https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/1789

This vulnerability shouldn't be an issue anymore (PHP doesn't
automatically import request variables as globals for a long time), but
who knows what else lies there... it would have to be properly sandboxed
and secured.

Adam W. wrote:

> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:

>> One reason I've seen is that they post from their workplace and the firewall
>> blocks the usual usenet ports. Another is that they use (at home) a work
>> provided computer , they don't have room for an additional computer and they
>> are reluctant to install on the work computer additional software like a
>> newsreader.

> It makes perfect sense. They filter virtually everything at my workplace
> with DPI (deep packet inspection) firewall too. There are ways around
> that, but it's not the point.

> In the past there was a thing called newsportal. One Polish guy ("TRanx")
> made a Polish version (TR Newsportal). Maybe it would be good to install
> it. On the other hand, installing an unmaintained software...

Newsportal still exists in some forks. yamo has a copy here:
https://gitlab.com/yamo-nntp/newsportal

and I maintain a very modified fork here:
https://gitlab.com/rslight-public/rocksolid-light

Here's a running copy:
https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

--
Retro Guy

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:28:37 -0000 (UTC), Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:44:07 -0000 (UTC)
>gof-cut-this-news@cut-this-chmurka.net.invalid (Adam W.) wrote:
>> I agree that it would be best if Usenet was separated from Google Groups,
>> but the current reality is that normal, valid users still post from
>> Google, at least to pl.* groups.
>> Maybe they couldn't find a server to use, maybe they didn't want to
>> register on mine (but I don't want to monopolize Usenet in pl.*, so it's
>> better if users use different services), maybe they prefer the web
>> interface over a dedicated reader. I don't know what their reasons are.
>
>One reason I've seen is that they post from their workplace and the firewall
>blocks the usual usenet ports. Another is that they use (at home) a work
>provided computer , they don't have room for an additional computer and they
>are reluctant to install on the work computer additional software like a
>newsreader.

so anyone that relies on googlegroups for any purpose related to usenet
newsgroups could be described as a captive user, someone trapped in the
system where access to the outside world is restricted; such a scenario
could certainly apply not only to prison inmates but also to workers in
rigorously controlled corporate / military / industrial / congressional
environments . . . under such bleak conditions, the horror of ghoul goo
may not look so out of place, no filters and no way to lower the volume

Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
> Date: mar, ott 17 2023 04:33:48PM GMT+00:00
> Subject: NoCeM and reposting cancelled articles to another group
>>
>> Maybe I need to feed it more ham.
>>
>> FWIW: The overall percentage of false positives here is below 0.1%
>>
>
> Hi Ray, RetroGuy,
>
> please check my "junk" group on my server, we have a loot of flood and
> spam. Maybe you can set better your filters.
>
>
> Sincerely
>

I've just gone there, and <4f086a8f-8@999-47ab-9654-0bce5e9b918f> (along
with the replies) looks to be genuine. It's a complaint that the newest
Windows Update is causing major instability, the replies are from people
confirming this behaviour.
Have you modified the messages in some way? The special German
characters ä, ö, ü are being misrepresented there.

<%_R%M.168876$ESLc.77308@fx10.ams4> is also ok.
<aeec9d89-b@967-4e67-a318-c4d4e0b5a92c> - and replies - are either a
very good scam or genuine.
<0e6a4ef1-8@938-4e4b-b6b6-f1ae1c84f070> - ditto.

<51ada979-3@d9a-461d-810f-da231d7043c6> is borderline, someone loves a
product but I don't know if he is being paid to love it.
<3d3eecd2-9@fc0-4d1c-9302-18380ba71ad2> - ditto

Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:

>>. . .

>I've just gone there, and <4f086a8f-8@999-47ab-9654-0bce5e9b918f> (along
>with the replies) looks to be genuine. It's a complaint that the newest
>Windows Update is causing major instability, the replies are from people
>confirming this behaviour.
>Have you modified the messages in some way? The special German
>characters ä, ö, ü are being misrepresented there.

"Modified the message"? Usenet servers don't do that with regard to
characters being displayed.

The MIME Content-Type header states "charset=UTF-8". The required
MIME-Version header is missing.

Do you see UTF-8 characters? I don't.

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=169875817000

You'll have to play around with which Latin-X character set you display to
see what the author intended to use. You know the character set declaration
and the character set being used have to match, yes?

Do you think there's a possibility that the article as sent was in bad
syntax and you should withdraw your false accusation?

>. . .

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>
>>> . . .
>
>> I've just gone there, and <4f086a8f-8@999-47ab-9654-0bce5e9b918f> (along
>> with the replies) looks to be genuine. It's a complaint that the newest
>> Windows Update is causing major instability, the replies are from people
>> confirming this behaviour.
>> Have you modified the messages in some way? The special German
>> characters ä, ö, ü are being misrepresented there.
>
> "Modified the message"? Usenet servers don't do that with regard to
> characters being displayed.
>
> The MIME Content-Type header states "charset=UTF-8". The required
> MIME-Version header is missing.
>
> Do you see UTF-8 characters? I don't.
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=169875817000
>
> You'll have to play around with which Latin-X character set you display to
> see what the author intended to use. You know the character set declaration
> and the character set being used have to match, yes?
>
> Do you think there's a possibility that the article as sent was in bad
> syntax and you should withdraw your false accusation?
>
>> . . .

Maybe I should have included the information that the problem extended
to all postings in the entire thread. Your accusation is false.
I was wondering if the process of moving posts to "junk" did something
to the headers.

Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
> Date: mar, ott 17 2023 04:33:48PM GMT+00:00
> Subject: NoCeM and reposting cancelled articles to another group
>>
>> Maybe I need to feed it more ham.
>>
>> FWIW: The overall percentage of false positives here is below 0.1%
>>
>
> Hi Ray, RetroGuy,
>
> please check my "junk" group on my server, we have a loot of flood and
> spam. Maybe you can set better your filters.
>
>
> Sincerely
>

There's an interesting case there.
The thread starting with <1d0c3e9e-0@645-4d82-867a-1e3f9126b8ce>
The second response is by the "person" who started the thread
(TechNerd21), the first response to that is also by TechNerd21 and he
thanks himself for the tip he just provided.
Apart from that (and the times between the posts, mostly 1-3 minutes)
the thread makes sense.

Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>I've just gone there, and <4f086a8f-8@999-47ab-9654-0bce5e9b918f>(along
>>>with the replies) looks to be genuine. It's a complaint that the newest
>>>Windows Update is causing major instability, the replies are from people
>>>confirming this behaviour.
>>>Have you modified the messages in some way? The special German
>>>characters ä, ö, ü are being misrepresented there.

>>"Modified the message"? Usenet servers don't do that with regard to
>>characters being displayed.

>>The MIME Content-Type header states "charset=UTF-8". The required
>>MIME-Version header is missing.

>>Do you see UTF-8 characters? I don't.

>>http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=169875817000

>>You'll have to play around with which Latin-X character set you display to
>>see what the author intended to use. You know the character set declaration
>>and the character set being used have to match, yes?

>>Do you think there's a possibility that the article as sent was in bad
>>syntax and you should withdraw your false accusation?

>>>. . .

>Maybe I should have included the information that the problem extended
>to all postings in the entire thread. Your accusation is false.

Liar

You are quoted above: "Have you modified the messages in some way?"

>I was wondering if the process of moving posts to "junk" did something
>to the headers.

Why the hell would that affect a character set declaration in a MIME
header? You just repeated the SAME accusation in this followup.

Now, do the right thing and withdraw your accusation.

Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
> Date: mar, ott 17 2023 04:33:48PM GMT+00:00
> Subject: NoCeM and reposting cancelled articles to another group
>>
>> Maybe I need to feed it more ham.
>>
>> FWIW: The overall percentage of false positives here is below 0.1%
>>
>
> Hi Ray, RetroGuy,
>
> please check my "junk" group on my server, we have a loot of flood and
> spam. Maybe you can set better your filters.
>
>
> Sincerely
>

I had thought some of the stuff in "junk" was ham, that appears to have
been a mistake. It could conceivably be AI generated - in that the
posts and threads make some kind of sense - but that's far as it goes.

In article <uhrlfb$3fjpb$2@paganini.bofh.team>,
Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
>> Date: mar, ott 17 2023 04:33:48PM GMT+00:00
>> Subject: NoCeM and reposting cancelled articles to another group
>>>
>>> Maybe I need to feed it more ham.
>>>
>>> FWIW: The overall percentage of false positives here is below 0.1%
>>>
>>
>> Hi Ray, RetroGuy,
>>
>> please check my "junk" group on my server, we have a loot of flood and
>> spam. Maybe you can set better your filters.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>
>I had thought some of the stuff in "junk" was ham, that appears to have
>been a mistake. It could conceivably be AI generated - in that the
>posts and threads make some kind of sense - but that's far as it goes.

AI - Artificial Idiot?
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 23:44:40 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <uhrlfb$3fjpb$2@paganini.bofh.team>,
>Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>>Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> From: Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
>>> Date: mar, ott 17 2023 04:33:48PM GMT+00:00
>>> Subject: NoCeM and reposting cancelled articles to another group
>>>> Maybe I need to feed it more ham.
>>>> FWIW: The overall percentage of false positives here is below 0.1%
>>> Hi Ray, RetroGuy,
>>> please check my "junk" group on my server, we have a loot of flood and
>>> spam. Maybe you can set better your filters.
>>> Sincerely
>>I had thought some of the stuff in "junk" was ham, that appears to have
>>been a mistake. It could conceivably be AI generated - in that the
>>posts and threads make some kind of sense - but that's far as it goes.
>
>AI - Artificial Idiot?

garbage in garbage out . . . might explain googlespam?

In article <2c71807fe80e5580cf33868e0bbed96e@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 23:44:40 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>Doctor) wrote:
>>In article <uhrlfb$3fjpb$2@paganini.bofh.team>,
>>Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>>>Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> From: Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net>
>>>> Date: mar, ott 17 2023 04:33:48PM GMT+00:00
>>>> Subject: NoCeM and reposting cancelled articles to another group
>>>>> Maybe I need to feed it more ham.
>>>>> FWIW: The overall percentage of false positives here is below 0.1%
>>>> Hi Ray, RetroGuy,
>>>> please check my "junk" group on my server, we have a loot of flood and
>>>> spam. Maybe you can set better your filters.
>>>> Sincerely
>>>I had thought some of the stuff in "junk" was ham, that appears to have
>>>been a mistake. It could conceivably be AI generated - in that the
>>>posts and threads make some kind of sense - but that's far as it goes.
>>
>>AI - Artificial Idiot?
>
>garbage in garbage out . . . might explain googlespam?
>

That works!
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